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  #2530777 29-Jul-2020 14:23
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Well Victoria is better, but still a long way to go.

 

Queensland finding that Trust , home isolation is a significant risk, maybe something for Professors of Economics to consider.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-29/coronavirus-queensland-parkland-christian-college-woman-positive/12499794
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"I'm absolutely furious that this has happened. That these two people have gone to Victoria, have come back and have given misleading information to authorities," she said.
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You can to a great extent characterize the behavior of this epidemic in each country by the behavior of the people. 
Its hard to separate the culture and nature of the host from the characteristics of virus itself.

 

Key events

 




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  #2530783 29-Jul-2020 14:35
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  #2530803 29-Jul-2020 14:54
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Batman:

 

Russia think they have a vaccine 🤔

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/28/europe/russia-coronavirus-vaccine-approval-intl/index.html

 

 

Sort of :

 

"While some global vaccines are in the third phase of trials, the Russian vaccine is yet to complete its second phase. Developers plan to complete that phase by August 3, and then conduct the third phase of testing in parallel with the vaccination of the medical workers."

 

So the headline of  "vaccine to be approved by Mid-August" basically mean we are approving an unproven vaccine for use in health workers,

 

The Moderna Vaccine went into a 30,000 people phase 3 trial on Monday, and they are not expecting to know good results for 6 months....

 

The big issue with *any* vaccine that appears successful will be long term side effects.... while it might save you from COVID, its not much good if 12 months down the track you end up with some nasty potentially worse complications...

 

 


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  #2530816 29-Jul-2020 15:23
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Victoria, many lessons here for Professors of Economics, to consider.

 

The Human factors, so you get tested, and then disappear. Of course you do.

 

29 positive cases who should be isolating can't be located, Daniel Andrews says

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-29/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-queensland-victoria-nsw/12501508

 

All you need is an outbreak and a bunch of these types of idiots. 


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  #2530837 29-Jul-2020 16:21
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/122281813/coronavirus-man-who-landed-in-nz-with-covid19-symptoms-one-of-two-new-cases

 

 

 

"A man in his 40s arrived in New Zealand with Covid-19 symptoms, after travelling from the Philippines through Hong Kong.

 

He was one of two new cases of the disease reported by the Ministry of Health on Wednesday.

 

The man was taken straight to an Auckland quarantine facility, and a test taken on his arrival on Monday returned a positive result."

 

 

 

Why on earth was he allowed to travel by the airline!!!! Guess there might be a few more cases arising in isolation. His flight number was NZ080. Thanks Air New Zealand.


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  #2530847 29-Jul-2020 16:36
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Batman:

 

But deaths in the sprawling slum have not exploded, with local officials saying their aggressive efforts to stem the spread of the virus have been effective.

 


57% infected of 40% slum dwellers of 20 million population = 4.5 million slum dwellers infected, not to mention the 16% of non slum dwellers.

And the local officials say that they've effectively stemmed the spread??? Smh

16%, never mind 57%, would make the city the most infected place in the world.

 

Just to put some context around these numbers... the total reported cases for *all* of India is 1.5M (Worldometer). According to these numbers, the total for just Mumbai is 6.5M. The most infected country in the world is Qatar with 39,000 cases/million population (3.9%). So, if the numbers are true, this city is orders of magnitude more infected than anywhere else, yet poor people, who can't afford health care let alone hospitalisation, aren't dying.

 

It doesn't seem credible to me.

 

 

 

 


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  #2530868 29-Jul-2020 16:52
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  #2530870 29-Jul-2020 16:55
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Batman:

Russia think they have a vaccine 🤔


https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/28/europe/russia-coronavirus-vaccine-approval-intl/index.html



Based on the news that Russian spies were stealing medical research, an interpretive drawing of the difference between the US and Russian vaccine.


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  #2530884 29-Jul-2020 17:21
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cshwone:

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/122281813/coronavirus-man-who-landed-in-nz-with-covid19-symptoms-one-of-two-new-cases

 

 

 

"A man in his 40s arrived in New Zealand with Covid-19 symptoms, after travelling from the Philippines through Hong Kong.

 

He was one of two new cases of the disease reported by the Ministry of Health on Wednesday.

 

The man was taken straight to an Auckland quarantine facility, and a test taken on his arrival on Monday returned a positive result."

 

 

 

Why on earth was he allowed to travel by the airline!!!! Guess there might be a few more cases arising in isolation. His flight number was NZ080. Thanks Air New Zealand.

 

 

 

 

The question is whether he had symptoms before he boarded the plane? IMO this is why people should be required to have one of these quick tests before boarding to at least filter these people out,. Once they arrive in NZ with the virus, it has a big cost in managing that one person that tests positive.


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  #2530896 29-Jul-2020 17:41
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mattwnz:

 

The question is whether he had symptoms before he boarded the plane? IMO this is why people should be required to have one of these quick tests before boarding to at least filter these people out,. Once they arrive in NZ with the virus, it has a big cost in managing that one person that tests positive.

 

 

The quick serological tests for antibodies won't work because at that stage of infection, antibodies aren't present at detectable level.
There's an article here on quick(er) PCR tests.




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  #2530900 29-Jul-2020 17:46
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frankv:

 

Batman:

 

But deaths in the sprawling slum have not exploded, with local officials saying their aggressive efforts to stem the spread of the virus have been effective.

 


yet poor people, who can't afford health care let alone hospitalisation, aren't dying.

 

It doesn't seem credible to me.

 

 

how do you know they aren't dying?





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  #2530901 29-Jul-2020 17:46
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For arriving into HK (rather than transit it seems..)

 

From HK airport

 

Arriving Passengers from Specified Places must Provide Documents to Show the Passengers have been Tested Negative for COVID-19

 

Arriving passengers who have stayed in specified places listed below on or before the 14 days of boarding a flight to Hong Kong, must provide to their airlines specified documents until further notice:

Effective from 25 July 2020 
Bangladesh, India, Indonesia, Nepal, Pakistan, the Philippines and South Africa


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  #2530902 29-Jul-2020 17:48
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mattwnz:

 

 

 

The question is whether he had symptoms before he boarded the plane? IMO this is why people should be required to have one of these quick tests before boarding to at least filter these people out,. Once they arrive in NZ with the virus, it has a big cost in managing that one person that tests positive.

 

 

why would there be a big cost he goes straight  to the quarantine hotel and stays there until he has a negative test





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  #2530903 29-Jul-2020 17:49
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Oblivian:

 

For arriving into HK (rather than transit it seems..)

 

From HK airport

 

Arriving Passengers from Specified Places must Provide Documents to Show the Passengers have been Tested Negative for COVID-19

 

Arriving passengers who have stayed in specified places listed below on or before the 14 days of boarding a flight to Hong Kong, must provide to their airlines specified documents until further notice:

Effective from 25 July 2020 
Bangladesh, India, Indonesia, Nepal, Pakistan, the Philippines and South Africa

 

 

Ah new job openings for some folk. Might get less scam calls soon.





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  #2530912 29-Jul-2020 18:14
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vexxxboy:

 

mattwnz:

 

 

 

The question is whether he had symptoms before he boarded the plane? IMO this is why people should be required to have one of these quick tests before boarding to at least filter these people out,. Once they arrive in NZ with the virus, it has a big cost in managing that one person that tests positive.

 

 

why would there be a big cost he goes straight  to the quarantine hotel and stays there until he has a negative test

 

 

The management and logistics involved. Needs dedicated people in PPE, in a dedicated vehicle to transport them from airport to quarantine, then cleaning afterwardsetc. Then ongoing management of them while in the hotel. Potentially may require hospitalization if their condition worsens etc. Then wouldn't staff at airport who have interacted with them need to self isolate and get tests?


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