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  #2532357 31-Jul-2020 19:46
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Weren't many close contacts tested as negative? Given the zero CT here you would expect he was infected at Singapore. 

 

 

Flatties and Flight contacts. Yep.

 

But the big whathe.. is the 6hr stop, with positive on arrival. For something that is meant to have a 4+ day no-show incubation


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  #2532364 31-Jul-2020 20:07
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Well, that money didn't last long. No wonder they want user pays.

 

Guess the hotels won't be folding so quick as they first thought

 

$5700pp (akl) vs the estimated.. $3100?

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12352683


 
 
 
 


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  #2532378 31-Jul-2020 20:57
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Oblivian:

Well, that money didn't last long. No wonder they want user pays.


Guess the hotels won't be folding so quick as they first thought


$5700pp (akl) vs the estimated.. $3100?


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12352683



It was always a co-payment.

Previous time the cost of managed isolation was in the news it was $4000 per person.

For example a couple of would get charged 3100+950, so $2025 each. So the taxpayer will still be paying roughly half... (depending on average room occupancy.)

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  #2532466 31-Jul-2020 22:14
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"Auckland to Sydney passenger tests Covid-19 positive"

 

 

A person who flew from Auckland to Sydney this month has tested positive for Covid-19.

 

Air New Zealand flight NZ103 touched down in the Australian city on July 6 and has since been reported by New South Wales health officials as having a confirmed case of coronavirus on board.

 

The NSW Health website lists several seat rows as being close contacts of the confirmed case.

 

The case had led New Zealand health officials to now test household and other contacts of the passenger here in Auckland.

 

A ministry spokeswoman said health officials in New Zealand had also made contact with the passenger, media outlet Stuff reported.

 

"At this point, it appears the person may have been a previously unconfirmed case from March and this is responsible for the positive test result," she said.

 





 

 

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  #2532473 31-Jul-2020 22:34
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tdgeek:

 

Weren't many close contacts tested as negative? Given the zero CT here you would expect he was infected at Singapore. 

 

 

Do we know that for sure?





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  #2532477 31-Jul-2020 22:52
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  #2532481 31-Jul-2020 23:21
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Batman:

 

tdgeek:

 

Weren't many close contacts tested as negative? Given the zero CT here you would expect he was infected at Singapore. 

 

 

Do we know that for sure?

 

 

 

 

What are you getting at with this statement? Or is it just casting a bit of FUD?


 
 
 
 


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  #2532488 1-Aug-2020 01:25
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Oblivian:

 

tdgeek:

 

Weren't many close contacts tested as negative? Given the zero CT here you would expect he was infected at Singapore. 

 

 

Flatties and Flight contacts. Yep.

 

But the big whathe.. is the 6hr stop, with positive on arrival. For something that is meant to have a 4+ day no-show incubation

 

 

 

 

I also saw mention of another traveler tonight, that traveled from NZ to Australia, and has now tested positive.https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/122317608/coronavirus-person-on-flight-from-auckland-to-sydney-tested-positive-for-covid19-in-australia .  I hope we don't have a low level amount of community transmission occurring, due to not enough testing occurring in the community.  It mentions they may have been an unconfirmed case in March, but if that is the case, why would they test positive in July?

Because cold and flu are more common now it is winter, many people may just think they have a cold or flu. Complacency and lack of testing potentially could ruin all of NZs gains, because we certainly should have been doing a lot more community testing than we have been doing. Plus I think they made an error in tightening up the testing requirements, because we didn't really want to reducing the amount of testing being done.  




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  #2532495 1-Aug-2020 06:41
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Second Covid-19 positive case on Auckland to Sydney flight (that we know of?)

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12352798





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  #2532497 1-Aug-2020 06:44
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lxsw20:

 

What are you getting at with this statement? Or is it just casting a bit of FUD?

 

 

nah just uncertainty.

 

you see these fellas that apparently step on a plane in NZ and step off a plane elsewhere and apparently test positive for covid -

 

either

 

- all those tests were false positive

 

- they all breathe in other people's droplets into their nostrils during transit

 

- they are all old dead viruses

 

- the virus in NZ somewhere

 

- something else

 

can anyone here say for certainty which one it is? how many tests have we done in NZ in recent times?





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  #2532538 1-Aug-2020 07:03
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Mediaite: US Represenative Sensenbrenner confronts Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg on restricting Don Trump Jr’s account … except that was Twitter, not Facebook

Republican Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner confronted Mark Zuckerberg about big tech bias and confronted him with something that Zuckerberg had to gently point out his company did not do.

By now you’ve probably heard about the video shared by President Donald Trump and others featuring one doctor talking up hydroxychloroquine as a “cure” for Covid-19. Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube took down the video, and Donald Trump Jr.’s Twitter account was limited after he shared the video “spreading misleading and potentially harmful information related to Covid-19.”

Sensenbrenner brought this up to Zuckerberg at Wednesday’s hearing, saying that while he wouldn’t take hydroxychloroquine himself, “this is a legitimate matter of discussion.”

“Why did that happen?” Sensenbrenner asked.

Zuckerberg said, “First, to be clear, I think what you might be referring to happened on Twitter, so it’s hard for me to speak to that.”

Zuckerberg went on to defend Facebook’s policy on taking down content that pertains to hydroxychloroquine, saying they pull content that could lead to “imminent risk of harm.”

“Stating that there’s a proven cure for covid, when there is in fact none, might encourage someone to go take something that could have some adverse effects, so we do take that down,” he added.
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  #2532547 1-Aug-2020 07:46
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How the COVID crisis in the US could affect NZ economy.

Why American farmers are throwing out tons of milk

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  #2532548 1-Aug-2020 07:51
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mattwnz:

 

 

 

I also saw mention of another traveler tonight, that traveled from NZ to Australia, and has now tested positive.https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/122317608/coronavirus-person-on-flight-from-auckland-to-sydney-tested-positive-for-covid19-in-australia .  I hope we don't have a low level amount of community transmission occurring, due to not enough testing occurring in the community.  It mentions they may have been an unconfirmed case in March, but if that is the case, why would they test positive in July?

Because cold and flu are more common now it is winter, many people may just think they have a cold or flu. Complacency and lack of testing potentially could ruin all of NZs gains, because we certainly should have been doing a lot more community testing than we have been doing. Plus I think they made an error in tightening up the testing requirements, because we didn't really want to reducing the amount of testing being done.  

 

 

Should we bring in forced testing?


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  #2532551 1-Aug-2020 08:31
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Los Angeles Times, Opinion: Republican Representative Louie Gohmert, and the rest of the anti-maskers, are beyond irrational

...Refusing to wear a mask is like supporting the fire against the fire department. It’s like openly sneezing into a packed elevator. It’s stupid. It’s also kind of disgusting.

But that didn’t stop Herman Cain — the accomplished businessman and onetime presidential hopeful, who died of COVID-19 on Wednesday — from rejecting masks. Before he headed to President Trump’s June rally in Tulsa, Okla.,he tweeted jubilantly that “masks will not be mandatory for the event” because “PEOPLE ARE FED UP!”

And the stupidity of refusing to mask up did not stop Texas Republican Rep. Louie Gohmert from appearing bare-faced around the Capitol recently. This kind of infantile rebellion is pathetic.

...Now it turns out that Gohmert is infected. In advance of a planned trip to Texas with President Trump on Wednesday, Gohmert took a test: Positive. He wasn’t allowed on the plane.

This is bad news. Gohmert is the 11th known member Congress to contract the coronavirus. The others are all Republicans, except for Rep. Ben McAdams (D-Utah).

Trump’s national security advisor, Robert O’Brien, also came up positive this week. O’Brien joins a long list of White House and W.H.-adjacent personnel who have contracted the virus, including a cafeteria employee, a personal assistant to Ivanka Trump, members of the Secret Service, a military aide to the president, Vice President Mike Pence’s press secretary, and Kimberly Guilfoyle, who is the consort of Donald Trump Jr. and a high-profile member of Trump’s reelection campaign.

Gohmert appears to be uniquely uninformed about the pandemic — and indifferent to his own health. Of his diagnosis, Gohmert told Texas television station KETK, “I can’t help but wonder if by keeping a mask on and keeping it in place, I might have put some germs — some virus — onto the mask and breathed it in,” Gohmert said.

So Gohmert gave himself COVID-19 because he already had it. How is this person a member of Congress?

Gohmert is at least consistent with his idiocy. In early March, a slate of conservative lawmakers, including Gohmert, was exposed to an infected person at a meeting of the Conservative Political Action Conference.... A passel of Trumpite luminaries... chose to quarantine.

..But not Gohmert. He opted for a dearth of caution...

He seems to have gotten swabbed Wednesday chiefly because the president requires a clean bill of health for anyone who comes near him. Trump, of course, nearly always forgoes a mask...

Gohmert reported ... he was first given the “quick test” for ... the “Wuhan virus.” When that came back positive, he was retested... It too was positive.

Ordinary Americans, of course, don’t get such speedy results. We’re stuck with our country’s non-testing non-program, which, as Bill Gates told CNBC on Wednesday, is a “complete waste” because results take too long. It’s nearly useless as a public — or personal — health measure.

Which is why the majority of Americans don’t get cute with the pandemic. We’re wearing masks and observing social distancing, whatever our politics.

The Republican leadership that appears to be on tilt must bewilder their constituents. Most of the members of Congress who have suffered with the virus — and all whom are anti-mask — come from currently hard-hit red states. Gohmert’s state of Texas, though it has shown some signs of improvement, recorded 8,800 new confirmed cases on Thursday.

That anyone plays down the importance of masks is disturbing. But it’s staggering that denialism comes from people in high places.
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  #2532553 1-Aug-2020 08:39
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Conservative organization "Turning Point" was co-founded by Charlie Kirk and Bill Montgomery. After this article was published, Charlie's friend died of COVID-19

Newsweek Charlie Kirk opinion:

Don't Panic Over Coronavirus. That's Just What the President's Enemies Want You to Do

Asking people not to panic when there is a coronavirus of Chinese origin crisscrossing continents, taking lives and leading governments to quarantine whole communities can be a tricky proposition. Add to that a plunging stock market and President Donald Trump closing all air travel from China and Europe, as well as legitimate questions surrounding the accessibility of testing kits, and it's fair to ask:

How can I possibly, with a straight face, tell Americans not to panic?

Well, that's exactly what I'm going to do.
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