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  #2535884 6-Aug-2020 16:38
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Scott3:

 

There aren't enough P2 / N95 masks around for everybody to do this.

 

 

Regarding masks - please check this thread.





 

 

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  #2535910 6-Aug-2020 17:37
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One of the arguments the DG made for them not requiring masks during the first outbreak in NZ, was that NZers didn't know how to wear them safely, and NZers weren't used to wearing masks.  So someone could touch a Covid infected surface such as a door handle, and then adjust their 'mask', transferring the virus from their hand to the potentially damp mask, and then could be infected. So the mask (or bandana) could potentially make someone some prone to getting infected. They also could give people a false sense of security. Although back then, my argument was that masking should still prevent people who have the virus, being able to spread the virus as easily, such as if they cough in a public area. But I think the decision back then had a lot to do with a lack of supply over N95 ones.


My issue is that we have now had months to educate how to safely wear a mask since the WHO recommended their use, but there has been no education. Only in the last week or two have they started to again roll out the Covid TV ads.


Masks however ar not a magic fix, and as I previously posted, I know someone in the US (young) who got a bad case of the  virus despite wearing a mask, and only going out a few times. 


 


I also would have thought it was wise  to now be wearing masks  on public transport, because when we have community cases start occurring, then there will be a time delay in that first infection occurring in the community, and then someone being detected with the virus. Dr Baker has been recommending their usage on public transport for months.



6 months and 2 health ministers later you'd think they'd have figured that but last I hear we're still working on contact tracing in response to Dr Verrall's report?




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  #2535912 6-Aug-2020 17:47
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Such a negative thread from some. We can only do our best. MoH can only do their best, in fact the instance of virus spread here isn't up to them its up to us. 

 

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  #2535916 6-Aug-2020 18:19
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Batman:
mattwnz:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



6 months and 2 health ministers later you'd think they'd have figured that but last I hear we're still working on contact tracing in response to Dr Verrall's report?

 

 

 

I don't know if there has been an official update on whether they have now got up to the required levels. But heard the minister of health say that the contact tracing now has surge capacity to deal with up to 1000 new infections a day. Although based on what has happened in Victoria, where they are getting over 700 a day, with the lockdown, up to a 1000 per day is needed. But I don't think our health system and ICU capacity could ever cope with that number of cases in a day. Apparently Australias ICU capacity would cope with up to 1500 new cases a day, and apparently they have increased their ICU capacity. I am not sure if we have brought in new machines, and can free up hospital beds quickly to cope with a second wave here. As we have been warned, it is not if, but when we will get new cases in the community. It is all about planning and looking at all  the permutations in keeping the virus on the other side of the border.

 

We should always be looking at improving things, the more we learn about it and what works, and doesn't work. Also complacency is perhaps one of our biggest enemies in this fight.  There is no 'manual' for this, and we don't want to use the attitude that 'it is what it is'


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  #2536014 6-Aug-2020 23:39
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Not certain I fully understood this article, having only skimmed through it.  But I thought RT-PCR tests were more sensitive than seems to be implied in the article? 

 

Or are there “reference standard” tests more sensitive than the ones the article refers to?

 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2015897

 

 

 

Does anyone here know the sensitivity of RT-PCR tests being used in NZ?


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  #2536024 7-Aug-2020 07:45
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New York Times
Coronavirus Live Updates:

Ohio’s governor tests positive before a planned Trump meeting. Two days ago, he offered a stark virus warning.

Two days after he implored residents to avoid large gatherings because of the risk of spreading the virus to family and friends, governor Mike DeWine of Ohio tested positive for the virus while being screened to greet President Trump in Cleveland on Thursday, his office said.

Mr. DeWine, a Republican who has stood out for his studious virus briefings and aggressive response, was tested as part of a standard protocol in order to greet Mr. Trump on the tarmac of Burke Lakefront Airport in Cleveland.

...Mr. DeWine was not experiencing symptoms, and was headed back to Columbus, where he will be tested again and plans to self-isolate for 14 days, his office said. Lt. Gov. Jon Husted was tested at the same time, the office said; his test was negative.

At a news conference earlier this week, Mr. DeWine cited several examples of how the virus spread insidiously among family, friends and neighbors in Ohio, warning that the people who are most at risk are often loved ones.

In one case, a churchgoer who attended a service while he was sick helped spread the virus to 91 other people spanning five counties. In another, a son brushed off symptoms while holding a vigil for his dying father, and five relatives later tested positive. In another case, at least 15 people were sickened after a man with symptoms attended his brother’s wedding. The bride and groom were among those who fell ill.

The cases go to the heart of a problem many Americans are grappling with: how to weigh being present at important life events against the danger of contagion.

“Just because it’s your family, just because it’s your friends, they could still be carrying the virus,” Mr. DeWine said Tuesday. “Choosing to not gather for parties or barbecues might feel like you’re not being friendly, but it really is a sign of friendship.”

At least 26 new coronavirus deaths and 1,199 new cases were reported in Ohio on Wednesday. Over the past week, there have been an average of 1,202 new cases per day, a decrease of 11 percent from the average two weeks earlier. The state has recorded 96,305 cases and 3,596 deaths since the beginning of the pandemic, according to a New York Times database.

Mr. DeWine is the second governor in the nation known to have tested positive. Gov. Kevin Stitt of Oklahoma, a Republican, received a positive test result last month. Others whose infections have been detected by White House screenings ahead of scheduled meetings with the president include Representative Louie Gohmert, Republican of Texas, and Mark Lamb, the sheriff of Pinal County, Ariz.

Los Angeles may cut off power to homes or businesses that host large gatherings in defiance of orders.
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France and Germany see worrisome rises in daily case counts.
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  #2536030 7-Aug-2020 07:58
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Washington Post: Viral photo of crowded Georgia high school hallway lacks context, superintendent says

Paulding County Schools Superintendent Brian Otott sought to reassure parents after a photo of students packed into a Georgia high school hallway was shared widely on social media, saying in a letter that while the photo 'does not look good,' the situation complied with the state’s school reopening policy.

North Paulding High School gained the national spotlight after a student shared what it looked like in the hallways, with few students wearing masks and at little distance from one another. Photos were shared on Twitter on Day 1 and Day 2.

The school opened its doors Monday to students, who are not required to wear masks or practice physical distancing.

Otott claimed in his letter that the pictures were taken out of context to criticize the school’s reopening, saying that the school of more than 2,000 students will look like the images that circulated for brief periods during the day. The conditions were permissible under the Georgia Department of Education’s health recommendations, he said.

The superintendent also misleadingly cited a state health department document listing the different ways people can become infected with the coronavirus. He claimed that exposure occurs after “Being within 6 feet of a sick person with COVID-19 for about 15 minutes” but omitted other factors such as being coughed on that can cause the virus to spread faster and more directly....

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  #2536078 7-Aug-2020 09:08
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clinty:

 

These aren't bad, and will do :)

 

https://www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/workpro-disposable-face-masks-high-filtration-50-pack/p/362930

 

$30 for 50 masks

 

Clint

 

 

Either you had a 'typo' yesterday, or money-grabbing Mitre 10 just ramped up the price 33% off the back of all the recent publicity.

 

Now $40.


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  #2536080 7-Aug-2020 09:15
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dafman:

 

clinty:

 

These aren't bad, and will do :)

 

https://www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/workpro-disposable-face-masks-high-filtration-50-pack/p/362930

 

$30 for 50 masks

 

Clint

 

 

Either you had a 'typo' yesterday, or money-grabbing Mitre 10 just ramped up the price 33% off the back of all the recent publicity.

 

Now $40.

 

 

 

 

Pretty sure they were $29.99

 

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  #2536105 7-Aug-2020 10:00
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kingdragonfly:
Otott claimed in his letter that the pictures were taken out of context to criticize the school’s reopening, saying that the school of more than 2,000 students will look like the images that circulated for brief periods during the day. 

 

When this is the attitude you are up against, there is no hope!


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  #2536185 7-Aug-2020 11:32
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If in any doubt about the need to isolate asymptomatic people

 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2769235

 

"Many individuals with SARS-CoV-2 infection remained asymptomatic for a prolonged period, and viral load was similar to that in symptomatic patients; therefore, isolation of infected persons should be performed regardless of symptoms."

 

 


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  #2536202 7-Aug-2020 11:52
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dafman:

 

clinty:

 

These aren't bad, and will do :)

 

https://www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/workpro-disposable-face-masks-high-filtration-50-pack/p/362930

 

$30 for 50 masks

 

Clint

 

 

Either you had a 'typo' yesterday, or money-grabbing Mitre 10 just ramped up the price 33% off the back of all the recent publicity.

 

Now $40.

 

 

Yip, price gouging

 

Google cache from 5 Aug 2020  says $29.99

 

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Ik_aOqTLAoQJ:https://www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/workpro-disposable-face-masks-high-filtration-50-pack/p/362930+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=nz


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  #2536204 7-Aug-2020 11:55
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frankv:

 

Rikkitic:

 

New Zealand isn't the US. That's why all the rich Americans want to come here.

 

 

I believe that the *really* rich Americans are just fine with living in the US, because it's a great place to enjoy their wealth and to increase it. NZ is attractive as a quaint holiday place, free of disease and masks and lockdowns, but they wouldn't want to pay our taxes or be limited in their money-making ventures by pesky corporate or environmental controls. All of that is [gasp] socialism.

 

The ordinary rich and middle class Americans want to move up the scale, so don't want to come here, despite the chances of moving up over there are actually quite slim for the ethically encumbered.

 

It's only the pinkos and tree-huggers and underachievers that want to come here. [/tongue-in-cheek]

 

 

 

 

not sure, things don't appear healthy ... https://www.marketwatch.com/story/41-of-businesses-listed-on-yelp-have-closed-for-good-during-the-pandemic-2020-06-25





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  #2536205 7-Aug-2020 11:57
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wellygary:

 

Yip, price gouging

 

Google cache from 5 Aug 2020  says $29.99

 

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Ik_aOqTLAoQJ:https://www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/workpro-disposable-face-masks-high-filtration-50-pack/p/362930+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=nz

 

 

or supplier price gone up due to demand > supply. easy to blame the retailer but there are many layers of middlemen that are probably the real cause





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