2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2433157 5-Mar-2020 13:47

Oblivian:

I did hear a radio commercial (message from MoH) about the season being upon us and ensure you cough into a tissue or elbow and wash hands for 20sec when handling etc..

There was a campaign planned, I guess it's just not at TV levels yet

It is ironic, because you can't even get the flu jab until April ! I wonder if it is a recycled ad from previous years. There was supposed to be a TV and social media campaign coming out on convid19

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#2433158 5-Mar-2020 13:49

Fred99:

Right now I'd be thrilled to be able to take 30 years off my age, but that much plastic surgery would require a hospital stay - something I'm keen to avoid while this virus is around. 😲

At least they'd be able to pop in a new set of lungs, if necessary, at the same time.

Fred99

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#2433167 5-Mar-2020 13:56

Sidestep:

Fred99:

Right now I'd be thrilled to be able to take 30 years off my age, but that much plastic surgery would require a hospital stay - something I'm keen to avoid while this virus is around. 😲

At least they'd be able to pop in a new set of lungs, if necessary, at the same time.

I hope my lungs are okay - you should hear me scream already.

Fred99

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#2433168 5-Mar-2020 13:58

Case #3 in NZ is now NZ's first confirmed P2P transmission within NZ. He hadn't been travelling.

Had contact with with people who'd come from Iran - contact tracing is underway.

The man didn't require hospital level care and neither did anyone else in the home. Three other members of the man's family had previously been unwell, none seriously.

They have now fully recovered and are with him in self-isolation. This is a precautionary measure. No one else in the family is displaying symptoms presently and no one else is currently being tested, Bloomfield said.

The part I highlighted had better change - and change very damned quickly.

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#2433172 5-Mar-2020 14:00

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8075633/First-British-victim-25-describes-coronavirus.html

The above article describes what happened to a 25-year old British male (Connor Reed) after he caught the corona virus. No wonder this awful virus can knock out frail old 70 - 90 year-olds!

Short extracts:

Day 12: I’ve had a relapse. Just as I thought the flu was getting better, it has come back with a vengeance. My breathing is laboured. Just getting up and going to the bathroom leaves me panting and exhausted. I’m sweating, burning up, dizzy and shivering. The television is on but I can’t make sense of it. This is a nightmare.

Day 22: I was hoping to be back at work today but no such luck. The pneumonia has gone — but now I ache as if I’ve been run over by a steamroller. My sinuses are agony, and my eardrums feel ready to pop. I know I shouldn’t but I’m massaging my inner ear with cotton buds, trying to take the pain away.

Yes, I know not everyone gets it this severely, but I've heard many young people saying that it's only the "male oldies" who need to worry. For example, Matt the weatherman on TV1's "Breakfast" said this morning that he wasn't at all worried about catching the corona virus. I also heard the British PM saying that the majority of people who catch it only get a mild version and recover well.

But, perhaps Connor Reed's story should be taken on board by those who are just a bit too casual about this whole business.

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#2433174 5-Mar-2020 14:05

Fred99:

Case #3 in NZ is now NZ's first confirmed P2P transmission within NZ. He hadn't been travelling.

Had contact with with people who'd come from Iran - contact tracing is underway.

Had contact with with people who'd come from Iran

But it is more than just "people" it was was a close family member who returned from Iran,

What is most interesting is that the traveller has now recovered from the illness, as well as three other members of the current cases family who became unwell, but have now recovered...

Also technically this should be the 4th case, as it is now highly likely that the "close family member" also had the disease, [ if they were the source of transmission] but they are not going to be tested.

Fred99

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#2433176 5-Mar-2020 14:06

frednz:

But, perhaps Connor Reed's story should be taken on board by those who are just a bit too casual about this whole business.

Death from ARS is a horrific way to go. I leave to anybody with the imagination to understand what happens or the wish to google for themselves to find out rather than post it here.

mattwnz

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#2433177 5-Mar-2020 14:07

Fred99:

Case #3 in NZ is now NZ's first confirmed P2P transmission within NZ. He hadn't been travelling.

Had contact with with people who'd come from Iran - contact tracing is underway.

The man didn't require hospital level care and neither did anyone else in the home. Three other members of the man's family had previously been unwell, none seriously.

They have now fully recovered and are with him in self-isolation. This is a precautionary measure. No one else in the family is displaying symptoms presently and no one else is currently being tested, Bloomfield said.

The part I highlighted had better change - and change very damned quickly.

The question is , why aren't they testing people who have been in close contact, even just to get a sample?

I would have thought that would be common sense, ad would also help to reassure the public, which don't appear happy with the way it is currently being managed according to this survey https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/120003679/coronavirus-kiwis-want-more-border-control-dont-think-govt-can-stop-outbreak

Is it about costs? Surely they have the capacity to do a large amount of testing. This is a critical stage IMO to ensure containment, as we have already failed at preventing it getting into NZ, and now we have a case of local transmission. It appears also that 3 in his family also had flu symptoms and had travelled overseas, but have recovered. Were they previously self isolated? So many questions.

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#2433178 5-Mar-2020 14:08

wellygary:

Also technically this should be the 4th case, as it is now highly likely that the "close family member" also had the disease, [ if they were the source of transmission] but they are not going to be tested.

Yes. Note that the "close family member" (of case #2) and case #3 are AFAIK not in the same group.

mattwnz

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#2433180 5-Mar-2020 14:12

wellygary:

Also technically this should be the 4th case, as it is now highly likely that the "close family member" also had the disease, [ if they were the source of transmission] but they are not going to be tested.

The story I read said there were three other family members who all not well, but have since recovered. So the number who have got or had this in NZ appear to be a higher than reported. But if they don't test them to see if they still have it, or have had it, the they won't be in the official numbers.

wellygary

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#2433181 5-Mar-2020 14:14

mattwnz:

The question is , why aren't they testing people who have been in close contact, even just to get a sample?

Its not cost, there is plenty of ability to test in NZ

It's simply because its will tell you exactly what you already know, those 3 + the original traveller who have all now recovered did have Covid-19...

Sure its nice for the statistics , but to be honest I'm fairly sure they will be notified to the WHO as suspected cases that have recovered and it will be left at that...

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#2433182 5-Mar-2020 14:14

Looks like another coronavirus cruise.

This time during the 'Grand Princess' cruise to Mexico, a passenger developed symptoms - and continued to show symptoms while traveling through the Port of San Francisco. (Edit - and has since died)
62 guests on that voyage joined another ship for a current trip to Hawaii.

California Governor Gavin Newsom has declared a state of emergency

mattwnz

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#2433184 5-Mar-2020 14:17

frednz:

Yes, I know not everyone gets it this severely, but I've heard many young people saying that it's only the "male oldies" who need to worry. For example, Matt the weatherman on TV1's "Breakfast" said this morning that he wasn't at all worried about catching the corona virus. I also heard the British PM saying that the majority of people who catch it only get a mild version and recover well.

The weather guy is young and healthy, guessing he is in his 30s, so statistically he doesn't have much to worry about if he gets it. It is older people, and those with Chronic Illnesses, or other illnesses or health problems, who are the ones who are most likely affected badly by this.

Fred99

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#2433186 5-Mar-2020 14:19

wellygary:

Sure its nice for the statistics , but to be honest I'm fairly sure they will be notified to the WHO as suspected cases that have recovered and it will be left at that...

I hope you're wrong, because there's plenty of evidence for "recovered" patients still shedding the virus and supposed "relapses". They must test them anyway - or quarantine them.

mattwnz

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#2433190 5-Mar-2020 14:22

wellygary:

mattwnz:

The question is , why aren't they testing people who have been in close contact, even just to get a sample?

Its not cost, there is plenty of ability to test in NZ

It's simply because its will tell you exactly what you already know, those 3 + the original traveller who have all now recovered did have Covid-19...

Sure its nice for the statistics , but to be honest I'm fairly sure they will be notified to the WHO as suspected cases that have recovered and it will be left at that...

If that is the case, they perhaps they should just include those people in the official numbers, so they are accurate, or provide two lots of numbers. Statistics though are a big part of this, in terms of how they deal with it, and calculated and who they deal with future pandemic, as well as peoples perception on the state of play. Although there have been 80,000 people reported with this illness in the world, if many haven't been tested and recorded in the stats, that number could be 200-300 thousand if not more. Not only that, but potentially the death rate percentage could be significantly less.

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