2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2542464 16-Aug-2020 17:54

kiwikurt:

I don't see the Christiansen decision being a massive gotcha.

I'm also perplexed at your condescending tone. Not exactly the way to encourage people to see the merit in your arguments, valid or otherwise.

Its normal

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#2542467 16-Aug-2020 18:14

Wakrak:

rugrat:

Need to up use of masks, and better records of where people been. Though going by use of Covid applic that's not easy either.

Again I must state that I'm relatively new to this thread and have not read the previous 902 pages, but is there a possibility that all businesses could turn away customers if they fail to register their presence in said business premises? Whether by QR code or otherwise.

I just went to a TAB here in Hamilton, and they had two options (unsure if I had to do both if I had a phone on me). (1) Scan the QR code &/or (2) Write date/time/name/address (or phone number) on a piece of paper and take it to the person behind the counter. Failure to do so meant that you are not welcome inside that TAB.

Yes, if all business turned away people who won't provide details through applic, or written record would help. Maybe that needs to be a requirement of level 1 and level 2?

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#2542468 16-Aug-2020 18:14

traderstu:
DS248: Entry into Auckland from south.

About to return home (northern outskirts of Auckland) after 5 days in Rotorua (arrived there just before announcement of the new cases).

Does anyone know what the time delay is getting through the road block at Bombay?

Would it be quicker to come into Auckland via Clevedon? Shorter queues that way? Or do they reroute people through Bombay anyway?

Tempting to extend our stay down south until the fortnight is up though 😊.

If I was you, I would aim to come thru at about 3 in the morning. Have a printout of a rates demand or power bill handy and you should be sweet.

Thanks.

Came through about 30 minutes ago. Gmaps diverted us via Bombay township and onto the motorway from Mill Road. Passed through two road blocks. Zero cars queued at both. Had recent receipt with our address. Zero problems. 30 sec at each block.

About 1km queque on motorway trying to get out of Auckland.

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#2542471 16-Aug-2020 18:21

Btw, we came in from Tauranga. Gmaps displayed a message saying that was to avoid the main road block on the motorway coming north.

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#2542473 16-Aug-2020 18:24

rugrat:

Yes, if all business turned away people who won't provide details through applic, or written record would help. Maybe that needs to be a requirement of level 1 and level 2?

I think so. When the outbreak is resolved, life is BAU, people need to not go back to "its over" as many do. make the app BAU. As has been said forever, this is a long haul. 102 days free of cases doesnt change anything. Its merely good news "at the moment"

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#2542518 16-Aug-2020 19:30

I am trying to cook a delicious steak but when I am back a few of you will no longer post in this thread.

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#2542526 16-Aug-2020 20:14

^ Thanks

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#2542527 16-Aug-2020 20:17

On my trip into Dunedin today - social distancing is not a thing, masks aren't a thing and aside from a few extra notices on shop windows everything seems to be normal.

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#2542529 16-Aug-2020 20:29

nzkiwiman:

On my trip into Dunedin today - social distancing is not a thing, masks aren't a thing and aside from a few extra notices on shop windows everything seems to be normal.

Well aside from limits on gatherings (<100) and requirements on distancing/masks, the strong suggestion to get tested if showing symptoms etc, and the travel restrictions to/from Akl, things are more-or less normal.

I've noticed that local businesses have got C-19 QR code posters on display, they've all worked for me, there seems to be renewed effort to make sure there's hand sanitiser etc at business entrances, and there are limits at local supermarkets so that social distancing is possible, spaced queues on checkouts, and in general things seem to be ok for "level 2".

Avoiding hand-shaking, hugging etc - then a wake-up call is probably needed. Many people seem to be wearing masks where they're not required under L2 - not that it's a bad thing, but people seem to be generally "getting it" (Chch).

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#2542541 16-Aug-2020 20:43

nzkiwiman:

On my trip into Dunedin today - social distancing is not a thing, masks aren't a thing and aside from a few extra notices on shop windows everything seems to be normal.

Not surprised considering the lack of Covid cases down South.

Besides the hand sanitizers and in-store distancing, Hamilton feels similar. 1/40 people wear a mask I reckon. Beyond the university, hardly see anyone scan a QR code. Get odd looks from people because I'm wearing a mask, and there's a total lack of social distancing.

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#2542546 16-Aug-2020 20:58

There still seems to be the mindset directing wrong stigma still.

With non wearers outside Auckland looking at others being in a couple of classes
"Lol that person thinks a mask will stop them getting it"
"Is that person sick and shouldn't be here...'
And
"That person is doing their part, perhaps I should reconsider"

With the latter not yet seemingly the majority

I'd like to see more infographics or reasoning put out with the recommendation explaining chance of infection changes for trapping nasties inside.

There's a few around, with graphic of faces and how much gets out. And if you were to try pee on someone while still wearing pants.

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#2542549 16-Aug-2020 21:09

I wore a mask in the supermarket the last couple of times I visited there. Pretty much everyone working there had their masks on. A few other customers had theirs on too - even though we are in Wellington but the recommendation is to wear them - it appears "if you want".

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#2542550 16-Aug-2020 21:09

nzkiwiman:

On my trip into Dunedin today - social distancing is not a thing, masks aren't a thing and aside from a few extra notices on shop windows everything seems to be normal.

At level 2 distancing is only advised not required/enforced, much like how work from home is also but most businesses that can do it will do nothing until level 3/4 in their city. Rules need to be clear, expectations are not good enough.

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#2542554 16-Aug-2020 21:37

Oblivian: There still seems to be the mindset directing wrong stigma still.

With non wearers outside Auckland looking at others being in a couple of classes
"Lol that person thinks a mask will stop them getting it"
"Is that person sick and shouldn't be here...'
And
"That person is doing their part, perhaps I should reconsider"

With the latter not yet seemingly the majority

I'd like to see more infographics or reasoning put out with the recommendation explaining chance of infection changes for trapping nasties inside.

There's a few around, with graphic of faces and how much gets out. And if you were to try pee on someone while still wearing pants.

it doesnt help that those at the top arent doing it publicly that i have seen.

They are still attending gatherings/ceremonies etc were no masks were worn.

Its good to see some field reporters are doing it on air but are they wearing them all the time when they are not on air?

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#2542557 16-Aug-2020 21:43

Fred99:
If you want to really kill the economy, then have everybody in the country wake up every morning thinking we're doomed / the world is ending. It's a fine line between giving assurance that we'll be okay, so get on with normal life/business - and risking complacency.

Let's not forget that the economy is a theoretical thing based on what's happened in the past. As are estimates of whether it's doing well or not. Mostly the models are good and estimates are accurate, although sometimes economists disagree. Over time, different economists (e.g. Keynes, Friedman) have come up different models to describe economic activity, with one superseding another. We're in an unprecedented situation, so historical models are unlikely to be accurate, and predictions of e.g. doom if we lock down at L4 for another 6 weeks may or may not be accurate. For example, I don't believe anyone predicted the mini-boom of the NZ economy after the first lockdown.

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