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#2545258 20-Aug-2020 13:49

Day three test is still the best for incoming kiwis we have already had two people who left nz with no symptoms and where transferring through Singapore so testing before coming here will not stop it day three and twelve is still the best

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#2545260 20-Aug-2020 13:50

tdgeek:
So how can you rule it out? By your own words, it could have been the source. But it cannot surely be ruled out

It's just like saying we have no community transmission. Hear that every day. How can we know etc etc

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#2545261 20-Aug-2020 13:57

ezbee:

Test and Fly seems to have a number of holes.

1/ Quality of the test in offshore location .
2/ False test papers
3/ Does not catch people early in infection , so infected still get through.
4/ People think they are clear and behave like they are including ignoring any later mild symptoms.

Thus our first arrival test being at 3 days , time to incubate enough virus.
Second test before release, catch the really slow incubators and possible cross contamination.

We have a good number of cases that passed first time and did not show up till second test as our own proof.

Even if you have people pre-quarantine before flying , you have problems of fake passes.

But potentially it could be the basis for an earlier release from MIQ... if you have a negative test from an *approved* tester, you could be released from MI if your 3rd-day test is also negative. Or something similar. That would substantially reduce the cost of MI for the 99% of people who are not infected.

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#2545263 20-Aug-2020 14:04

frankv:

But potentially it could be the basis for an earlier release from MIQ... if you have a negative test from an *approved* tester, you could be released from MI if your 3rd-day test is also negative. Or something similar. That would substantially reduce the cost of MI for the 99% of people who are not infected.

Problem is the three day lag. Get a test Tuesday, fly out Friday, picked up the infection Tuesday to Friday, but test cert says you are all clear, but you're not

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#2545265 20-Aug-2020 14:06

frankv:

But potentially it could be the basis for an earlier release from MIQ... if you have a negative test from an *approved* tester, you could be released from MI if your 3rd-day test is also negative. Or something similar. That would substantially reduce the cost of MI for the 99% of people who are not infected.

There are plenty of documented cases of people testing negative on day 2-3 and positive pre release.... also there are lots of cases reported of people being tested as positive on arrival after departing from NZ (prior to this current outbreak)

Now we have the maintaince worker apparently picking it up from a lift surface on or before the 31st July, but not displaying any symptoms until 11th August..

Having a departure test and then releasing after day 3 is a much bigger risk than what is operating now....

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#2545268 20-Aug-2020 14:15

wellygary:

frankv:

But potentially it could be the basis for an earlier release from MIQ... if you have a negative test from an *approved* tester, you could be released from MI if your 3rd-day test is also negative. Or something similar. That would substantially reduce the cost of MI for the 99% of people who are not infected.

There are plenty of documented cases of people testing negative on day 2-3 and positive pre release.... also there are lots of cases reported of people being tested as positive on arrival after departing from NZ (prior to this current outbreak)

Now we have the maintaince worker apparently picking it up from a lift surface on or before the 31st July, but not displaying any symptoms until 11th August..

Having a departure test and then releasing after day 3 is a much bigger risk than what is operating now....

The Lift, not just surfaces, but Lifts can be pretty airless stale things, so if someone doffed their uncomfortable mask and sneezed their guts out ?
It might be still circulating in the air for the next person depending on that lifts ventilation system.
Um no insight on what interview with the guest was given.
All sorts of things do happen in hotels that staff are used to being blind to , so with no CCTV coverage its pretty open.

Don't lick the buttons and post to Tiktok eh.....

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#2545270 20-Aug-2020 14:18

A reasonable lay overview of vaccines

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-18/coronavirus-covid-vaccine-race-how-the-candidates-work/12310814?nw=0

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#2545280 20-Aug-2020 14:39

tdgeek:

frankv:

But potentially it could be the basis for an earlier release from MIQ... if you have a negative test from an *approved* tester, you could be released from MI if your 3rd-day test is also negative. Or something similar. That would substantially reduce the cost of MI for the 99% of people who are not infected.

Problem is the three day lag. Get a test Tuesday, fly out Friday, picked up the infection Tuesday to Friday, but test cert says you are all clear, but you're not

And Mrs. Collins' policy is that the traveller must have had a test within the last three days before boarding the aircraft.
I'm sure I've read that it currently takes five to ten days - sometimes more - to get a Covid test result in the USA, so ... no travellers from the USA at all?

This policy is one of those clever ideas that sounds great until you apply any small amount of critical thinking to it, when it immediately turns to custard.

Is the National Party actually saying they can't think of any practical ways to improve the government's policies?
LOL

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#2545281 20-Aug-2020 14:45

PolicyGuy:

And Mrs. Collins' policy is that the traveller must have had a test within the last three days before boarding the aircraft.
I'm sure I've read that it currently takes five to ten days - sometimes more - to get a Covid test result in the USA, so ... no travellers from the USA at all?

This policy is one of those clever ideas that sounds great until you apply any small amount of critical thinking to it, when it immediately turns to custard.

Needs to be pointed to overseas examples. Given Doha/Qatar (Aug 13) and Dubai (Aug 1) hard locked even transit passengers to also produce negative results before boarding. You can see how it already isn't bullet proof. (Think) We have had a few since Aug1 come through and test on day 3/12

15/08/2020 Male 10 to 14 Managed isolation & quarantine Yes United Arab Emirates 3/08/2020
12/08/2020 Female 50 to 59 Managed isolation & quarantine Yes United Arab Emirates EK448 6/08/2020 7/08/2020
1/08/2020 Male <1 Managed isolation & quarantine Yes United Arab Emirates EKO448 13/07/2020 14/07/2020

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#2545282 20-Aug-2020 14:45

wellygary:

frankv:

But potentially it could be the basis for an earlier release from MIQ... if you have a negative test from an *approved* tester, you could be released from MI if your 3rd-day test is also negative. Or something similar. That would substantially reduce the cost of MI for the 99% of people who are not infected.

There are plenty of documented cases of people testing negative on day 2-3 and positive pre release.... also there are lots of cases reported of people being tested as positive on arrival after departing from NZ (prior to this current outbreak)

Now we have the maintaince worker apparently picking it up from a lift surface on or before the 31st July, but not displaying any symptoms until 11th August..

Having a departure test and then releasing after day 3 is a much bigger risk than what is operating now....

My thinking was a test at the airport of departure to NZ, just before departure. So no wandering around the countryside, and no transiting other airports full of infected passengers. It could even be done on the plane to NZ... every passenger gets offered a nasal swab. Those who accept and are negative can get out of MI early.

I agree that just 3 days is a risk; there's no reason why the second test couldn't be at 6 or 8 or 10 days (or all 3). It would reduce the MI time by 3 or 4 days, which is a significant chunk of the 14 days. And therefore a significant chunk of the cost. It also frees up hotel rooms sooner, so we need less hotel rooms.

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#2545283 20-Aug-2020 14:48

PolicyGuy:

And Mrs. Collins' policy is that the traveller must have had a test within the last three days before boarding the aircraft.
I'm sure I've read that it currently takes five to ten days - sometimes more - to get a Covid test result in the USA, so ... no travellers from the USA at all?

This policy is one of those clever ideas that sounds great until you apply any small amount of critical thinking to it, when it immediately turns to custard.

Is the National Party actually saying they can't think of any practical ways to improve the government's policies?
LOL

Ignoring all that, my beef is that the so called tightening up the border means you get a three day pass to get infected before the flight, but thats ok, the piece of papers means its ok. Negative test at the border is great, as long as it is taken and resulted in the departure lounge. Thats not possible yet,m and if it was it would be a game changer

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#2545288 20-Aug-2020 15:00

PolicyGuy:

And Mrs. Collins' policy is that the traveller must have had a test within the last three days before boarding the aircraft.
I'm sure I've read that it currently takes five to ten days - sometimes more - to get a Covid test result in the USA, so ... no travellers from the USA at all?

This policy is one of those clever ideas that sounds great until you apply any small amount of critical thinking to it, when it immediately turns to custard.

Is the National Party actually saying they can't think of any practical ways to improve the government's policies?
LOL

Aside from the blatant political statements, which aren't meant to be in this thread, you're missing the point.

It's normal for many countries to require a clear Covid test 72 hours before travel. In most places the testing industry is managing this as there is market demand.

It won't catch all the cases which is why you need further measures. Neither will temperature checks or even PCR tests when the traveller first arrives in NZ.

The point of each step is to reduce the number of infected people moving further through the process. If you reduce the number of infected people by 10% at source then you have more resources further along the process.

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#2545297 20-Aug-2020 15:10

ezbee:

The Lift, not just surfaces, but Lifts can be pretty airless stale things, so if someone doffed their uncomfortable mask and sneezed their guts out ?
It might be still circulating in the air for the next person depending on that lifts ventilation system.
Um no insight on what interview with the guest was given.
All sorts of things do happen in hotels that staff are used to being blind to , so with no CCTV coverage its pretty open.

Don't lick the buttons and post to Tiktok eh.....

Yes, there seems so much emphasis on 'surfaces' but many infections would be from people breathing it in. I don't know why they didn't mention that their may have breathed it in, if they used the same lift. Maybe that could cause panic?

Hopefully they will now apply the same sanitation to lifts that infected people use, like the do with their rooms. I would have thought that would have been done anyway

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#2545298 20-Aug-2020 15:13

Handle9:

It's normal for many countries to require a clear Covid test 72 hours before travel. I'm most places the testing industry is managing this as there is market demand.

It won't catch all the cases which is why you need further measures. Neither will temperature checks or even PCR tests when the traveller first arrives in NZ.

This is why I can't believe NZ doesn't have this requirement, in addition to our other requirements. It then reduces the load of cases we get incoming, and reduces the risk of it getting into the community.

It is a pity it has taken an outbreak for them to fix things up.

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#2545368 20-Aug-2020 16:12

mattwnz:

ezbee:

The Lift, not just surfaces, but Lifts can be pretty airless stale things, so if someone doffed their uncomfortable mask and sneezed their guts out ?
It might be still circulating in the air for the next person depending on that lifts ventilation system.
Um no insight on what interview with the guest was given.
All sorts of things do happen in hotels that staff are used to being blind to , so with no CCTV coverage its pretty open.

Don't lick the buttons and post to Tiktok eh.....

Yes, there seems so much emphasis on 'surfaces' but many infections would be from people breathing it in. I don't know why they didn't mention that their may have breathed it in, if they used the same lift. Maybe that could cause panic?

Hopefully they will now apply the same sanitation to lifts that infected people use, like the do with their rooms. I would have thought that would have been done anyway

They weren't in the same lift at the same time and there are no cameras to show what each one did. The most likely theory is that they both touched the same surface, probably the lift button. It is unlikely that contamination occurred through respiration.

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