2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2547900 22-Aug-2020 22:51

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Hunger Strike in Isolation "because I want to isolate at home"

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12358727

As if the task of the staff looking after returnees is not hard and dangerous enough, seems to me complaining because they did not monitor his food intake seems a bit much.

Bizarre - usually if you're doing a hunger strike you tell people that, rather than doing it secretly and then complaining when no-one notices. Comes across as a 60-something teenager who is hoping his parents notice him loudly sulking over their "unfair" decisions.

He says that Managed Quarantine is good for others, but he had requested an exemption for himself because he's a "standard New Zealand citizen" and a "low risk adult" who should be allowed to self-quarantine at home.

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#2547902 22-Aug-2020 23:08

Reanalyse:

Hunger Strike in Isolation "because I want to isolate at home"

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12358727

As if the task of the staff looking after returnees is not hard and dangerous enough, seems to me complaining because they did not monitor his food intake seems a bit much.

The usual rules shouldn't apply to me because I'm special.

He sounds exactly like the sort of person that's likely to decide half way through his self-isolation at home, that the rules for self isolation don't apply to him either and go out for a lunch meeting before he reaches day 10.

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#2547907 22-Aug-2020 23:45

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12358584

This was happening a month ago and the Health Minister had "expectations " then that it would be sorted out.

Apparently not. How can parts of our Covid response be so inept? If the minister was concerned about this surely he would have seen to it that it was sorted out..

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#2547911 23-Aug-2020 00:01

tieke:

Reanalyse:

Hunger Strike in Isolation "because I want to isolate at home"

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12358727

As if the task of the staff looking after returnees is not hard and dangerous enough, seems to me complaining because they did not monitor his food intake seems a bit much.

Bizarre - usually if you're doing a hunger strike you tell people that, rather than doing it secretly and then complaining when no-one notices. Comes across as a 60-something teenager who is hoping his parents notice him loudly sulking over their "unfair" decisions.

He says that Managed Quarantine is good for others, but he had requested an exemption for himself because he's a "standard New Zealand citizen" and a "low risk adult" who should be allowed to self-quarantine at home.

Self-entitled.

If he "[is] a low-risk adult who's prepared to do what they say." then he can stay in managed isolation as he is told.

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#2547915 23-Aug-2020 00:52

This story on Newshub just had me shaking my head. IMO no wonder we have got cases in the community, as this looks like a possible hole, and am hoping there aren't other situations like this occurring. We know how easily this virus can spread in indoor spaces, and also buses, as buses are obviously confined indoor spaces. Surely it would be common sense for masks to be worn by drivers, especially when they are wearing them when interacting with returnees, when they are not driving the bus! Even NZs leading epidemiologist says that it makes no sense.

COVID-19: Conflicting messages over whether returnees' bus drivers have to wear face masks

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/08/covid-19-conflicting-messages-over-whether-returnees-bus-drivers-have-to-wear-face-masks.html

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#2547920 23-Aug-2020 06:53

Washington Post: The Health 202: Why individual models of coronavirus deaths are often wrong

August 5

A prominent model highlighted by the Trump administration early in the coronavirus crisis projected in March that deaths in the United States would total about 82,000 by [5 August].

But as of [5 August] the U.S. death count, at 153,000, was nearly double that.

If anything has become clear over the past months, it’s that accurately predicting how quickly the novel coronavirus will spread and how many people it will kill several months into the future is nearly impossible.

Policymakers are under intense pressure to respond to the public health crisis – and citizens also understandably want accurate numeric predictions on how many coronavirus infections and deaths to expect in the coming months. ...

Future deaths are even harder to predict than the course of a hurricane, such as the one that worked its way up the Eastern Seaboard this week.

And one of the biggest mistakes is focusing on just one model — like the one from the University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) above — instead of taking many different projections into account, epidemiologists stress.
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#2547950 23-Aug-2020 08:46

Business Insider: Fisher-Price launches a work-from-home play set, as millions of American parents continue to work remotely

Fisher-Price is launching a new collection of toys designed for kids whose parents are spending more time at home due to the pandemic.

About half of employed Americans reported always working from home in May, according to a Gallup poll.
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#2547952 23-Aug-2020 08:51

What the heck, I read that article about the 60 year old crybaby yesterday, and yet here I am at 8:50am on Sunday the 23rd of August and the NZ Herald has made the story a red breaking news style story at the top of their website.

They truly have gone to the dogs.

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#2547974 23-Aug-2020 09:34

Reanalyse:
Hunger Strike in Isolation "because I want to isolate at home"

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12358727

As if the task of the staff looking after returnees is not hard and dangerous enough, seems to me complaining because they did not monitor his food intake seems a bit much.

The media in this country seems to live for reporting the thoughts of mentally unwell people.

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#2547978 23-Aug-2020 09:46

robjg63:

The media in this country seems to live for reporting the thoughts of mentally unwell people.

It is part of a general deterioration. Sometimes we would watch 7 Sharp after the news for lack of anything else but it has become so dumbed down and fluffy and silly that I just can't stand it anymore, even with Jeremy, and I have given up on NZ television altogether. It really is dire here.

Breaking news, people: Someone's cat is a shoe thief. Featured prominently on two successive nights. God I miss the Walrus and Campbell live.

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#2547986 23-Aug-2020 10:15

Yahoo News: Trump strategy on COVID-19 continues to rely on miracles

In a potential preview of what their messaging will be during next week’s convention, the Republican presidential ticket is again insisting that the coronavirus will go away by a “miracle.”

During a Thursday night interview with Fox News’ Sean Hannity timed to coincide with the final night of the Democratic National Convention, President Trump said he hoped the pandemic was “nearing the final term.”

That was followed by a round of Friday morning interviews by Vice President Mike Pence. On CNN, Pence said that “we think there’s a miracle around the corner” in the form of a coronavirus vaccine that could be available by the end of the year, calling it a “tribute to President Trump’s leadership.” That follows comments from Trump earlier this month predicting a vaccine could be ready by Election Day, and earlier this year when he alluded to the virus disappearing “like a miracle.”

This week Mike Lindell, a major Trump supporter who is widely known for appearing in commercials for his bedding company, has been promoting an untested plant extract called oleandrin as a “miracle” therapy for COVID-19, although botanists warn it can be extremely toxic. “This thing works — it’s the miracle of all time,” Lindell said in a contentious interview with CNN’s Anderson Cooper. Lindell is on the board of the company that produces the substance.

Trump has said the administration “will look at it.”

In March, televangelist Kenneth Copeland, a faith adviser to Trump’s 2016 campaign, invoked a different kind of miracle in a widely seen video in which he executed God’s judgment against the coronavirus and pronounced it “finished.”
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#2547987 23-Aug-2020 10:19

Fasting is pretty fashionable these days, people do it for their health and wellbeing. Wanna Jade egg too ?
Given your behavior why would we trust you to be honorable in self isolation.
People may wonder why many living in NZ have been losing tolerance for those that want to flit back and forth in a pandemic.
Even if you are paying its in no way covering the full cost
Each trip has a risk of being covid case , travel/transit/travel , where we have to cover medical support costs if you get seriously ill.
There is a risk you bring it into the community, and you cause lockdowns with attendant costs.
Thus we spend even more on higher fences , cameras and guards because of Covidiots.
If you think lockdowns are unsustainable then you appreciate the value of not travelling to add to risk.

Now if we could filter out the Covidiots before flying border problems would be reduced.

Its true that there are countries allowing self isolation if the isolator can show they have separate facilities from family etc, but they also have very invasive tracking ( No Tinfoil allowed ), with large automatic penalties.
There are other countries where Covid is rampant with little restriction for obvious reasons, but not a course team of 5 Million have chosen.

Anti lockdown protest of a massive 150 people or so pretty much says it.

Anyone with a more lyrical bent wish to have a go at the Python 'I'm a lumberjack song' , with first verse changed to 'I'm a Covidiot and I don't care'.

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#2548040 23-Aug-2020 11:12

ezbee:
a course team of 5 Million have chosen.

Anti lockdown protest of a massive 150 people or so pretty much says it.

Sorry but just because they’re not idiots that will join a mass March doesn’t mean the whole country supports this current government strategy... I know of many Facebook pages that have large followings set up precisely to harangue the current strategy and they certainly DON’T support the (well meaning but misguided) strategy this govenment continues to impose.

The current ridiculous internal ‘border’ cutting the Franklin county in half simply because ‘Auckland’ has an outbreak is exactly the kind of reasoning we are irritated with the heavy handed approach that is being taken now.

I live 8kms from my workplace and they put a ‘border’ in between?

All of Onewhero, Pokeno and Tuakau depend on Pukekohe (10 mins drive) for their shopping and supplies and they put the border in between!

Many ‘Waikato’ residents are now IN the bubble because one side of the road is “Auckland” (after the last random rates grab) and the other half ‘Waikato’ 🤦🏼‍♂️

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TLDR: NOT everyone is behind this current government strategy, but we’re also still law abiding and not stupid enough to ‘March’ in this time

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#2548054 23-Aug-2020 11:43

Rikkitic:

robjg63:

The media in this country seems to live for reporting the thoughts of mentally unwell people.

It is part of a general deterioration. Sometimes we would watch 7 Sharp after the news for lack of anything else but it has become so dumbed down and fluffy and silly that I just can't stand it anymore, even with Jeremy, and I have given up on NZ television altogether. It really is dire here.

Breaking news, people: Someone's cat is a shoe thief. Featured prominently on two successive nights. God I miss the Walrus and Campbell live.

Totally agree - The current '7 Sharp' should be relegated to the morning/midday slot for all the bored stay-at-homers. What ever happened to good journalistic 'A Current Affairs' reporting post the 6pm news. There seems to be only one such show "Sunday" which is just once a week. Used to love the Australian 60 minutes show and even the American version. What about the UK Panorama show. George Negus, Charles Wooly, Steve Kroft, Anderson Cooper etc. all excellent non-bias investigative journalists. These are journalists who keep politicians honest (mostly). There really is no Walter Cronkite's these days. When he was on air in America, if Walter said it then it must be and was FACT.

But I suppose good investigative journalistic shows are a rarity these days thanks to all the instant Fake News Social Media sites. If the woman with the Botox lips and big boobies or the bloke with the orange tan and hair and red tie said it then it must be true - NOT.

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#2548057 23-Aug-2020 11:55

@PhantomNVD: Sorry but just because they’re not idiots that will join a mass March doesn’t mean the whole country supports this current government strategy... I know of many Facebook pages that have large followings set up precisely to harangue the current strategy and they certainly DON’T support the (well meaning but misguided) strategy this govenment continues to impose.

I live 8kms from my workplace and they put a ‘border’ in between?

TLDR: NOT everyone is behind this current government strategy, but we’re also still law abiding and not stupid enough to ‘March’ in this time

What course of action would you suggest?

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