Has the North Shore case been linked back to a contact with the South Auckland cluster? Or is it still related-but-not-quite-sure-how? 

tdgeek:

 

Exactly, the post here "it's not compulsory" is essentially at social media level, misleading. GZ is not social media (in the common context that term is used)

Excuse the little diversion.

I agree with you. So how would we describe this ?

In regards to this Topic and the other concerning the  COVID-19 app plus the two Trump & Biden Topics, my partner does equate GZ to social media, like FaceBook (yuk, we've never had an account nor want one). Trying to explain to him that we are quite strict on self moderating and are being moderated, to weed out Karen's, rumour mongers, fascists etc posts. Plus we have the privilege of some quite intelligent and educated and Topic Knowledgable members and that the majority of GZ members can smell BS from a mile away.

Though strangely enough, when I mention a Topic post opinion or fact he tends to agree with it.

So, on this one debate, we agree to disagree.

PS - he is not a forum member as he leaves all the geek/technical/medical stuff up to me.

Back on Topic.😀

GV27:

 

Has the North Shore case been linked back to a contact with the South Auckland cluster? Or is it still related-but-not-quite-sure-how? 

 

There was this on the North Shore case, and today still no word on finding and intermediate missing link.

The patient was in intensive care at North Shore Hospital on Tuesday. 
Genomic testing has established a link between the patient and the August Covid-19 cluster.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300091232/coronavirus-the-little-yellow-flag-in-new-zealands-covid19-outbreak

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No epidemiological links were established but genome sequencing results provided some reassurance, Bloomfield said.
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The other Church mini cluster has been gnomically linked in 3 of the cases so far, and others are close contacts of these.
How it got there though, cases that link the two together physically still to be found.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/424549/mt-roskill-covid-19-mini-cluster-concerning-to-see-ahead-of-level-2-move-dr-siouxsie-wiles

As time goes on with the lockdown these intermediate cases may recover , have no opportunity to spread it further and we may never know.

3 days to see. 

The 'magic virus' hypothesis

(Opinion, but seems soundly argued)

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/26/opinions/coronavirus-children-school-kessler/index.html

ezbee:

 

GV27:

 

Has the North Shore case been linked back to a contact with the South Auckland cluster? Or is it still related-but-not-quite-sure-how? 

 

 

There was this on the North Shore case, and today still no word on finding and intermediate missing link.

 

The patient was in intensive care at North Shore Hospital on Tuesday. 
Genomic testing has established a link between the patient and the August Covid-19 cluster.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300091232/coronavirus-the-little-yellow-flag-in-new-zealands-covid19-outbreak

 

""
No epidemiological links were established but genome sequencing results provided some reassurance, Bloomfield said.
""

 

The other Church mini cluster has been gnomically linked in 3 of the cases so far, and others are close contacts of these.
How it got there though, cases that link the two together physically still to be found.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/424549/mt-roskill-covid-19-mini-cluster-concerning-to-see-ahead-of-level-2-move-dr-siouxsie-wiles

 

As time goes on with the lockdown these intermediate cases may recover , have no opportunity to spread it further and we may never know.

 

3 days to see. 

 

 

 

From the standaup today, they referred to one other case not linked, which I presume is that one. They still don't appear to have found the link in the chain. Potentially that is now 3 undetected cases that link these clusters including patient number zero.

Interesting that it seems if we didn't have Genome testing, which wasn't available prior to the first lockdown, this second 'mini cluster' may  have been considered a second cluster. But because they can link it to the other with genome testing, it is considered as a mini cluster that is part of the main one. So I wonder how many clusters we would have had in the first wave, based on each incoming source of the virus into NZ.

I wonder why they are also not doing blanket testing in these communities, like they did in Wuhan when they got a second wave, where they tested the entire population. The infection rate R0 in level 2 is potentially significantly higher than in level 3, which is higher again than level 4. I certainly would like to see cases down to a level where we are only picking up the odd case each day, and no unexpected cases, like the one a few days ago, before moving down. Especially as there are cases that exist which can't connect clusters, and they didn't find patient number zero. Or at the very least keep the borders in place in Auckland.

IMO it is a concern that from Monday anyone from Auckland can fly to anywhere in NZ, and apparently planes from Auckland to Queenstown are booked up.

mattwnz:

 

I wonder why they are also not doing blanket testing in these communities, like they did in Wuhan when they got a second wave, where they tested the entire population. The infection rate R0 in level 2 is potentially significantly higher than in level 3, which is higher again than level 4. I certainly would like to see cases down to a level where we are only picking up the odd case each day, and no unexpected cases, like the one a few days ago, before moving down. Especially as there are cases that exist which can't connect clusters, and they didn't find patient number zero. Or at the very least keep the borders in place in Auckland.

 

IMO it is a concern that from Monday anyone from Auckland can fly to anywhere in NZ, and apparently planes from Auckland to Queenstown are booked up.

 

They are as I understand, especially South Auckland and Maori/Pasifika communities.

Re as from Monday its probably not Level 3, what can you do? level 4? Public wont wear it, so if you made it Level 4 it wont be a real Level 4. Public are over it, and while thats wring, its reality. Cover what you can, not what you want to (that wont be complied with)

tdgeek:

 

 

 

They are as I understand, especially South Auckland and Maori/Pasifika communities.

 

 

 

I don't think they are going around all the streets knocking on doors of every house in certain suburbs, asking people to take a test. I understand they are mainly replying on people to visit  popup testing stations. But stand to be corrected on this.

tdgeek:

 

 

 

They are as I understand, especially South Auckland and Maori/Pasifika communities.

 

 

 

I don't think they are going around all the streets knocking on doors of every house in certain suburbs, asking people to take a test. I understand they are mainly replying on people to visit  popup testing stations. But stand to be corrected on this.

I am also not sure what is going on with some mask wearers, but I have seen a significant number with them only covering their mouth, and not their nose. I thought it was common sense that it needs to cover both. Maybe they are doing it out of protest, or maybe people genuinely  don't know how to wear them.?

tdgeek:

 

Re as from Monday its probably not Level 3, what can you do? level 4? Public wont wear it, so if you made it Level 4 it wont be a real Level 4. Public are over it, and while thats wring, its reality. Cover what you can, not what you want to (that wont be complied with)

The problem is that these people who some in the media claim are 'over' our elimination lockdowns, don't seem to realize, is  that living in a country that is Covid infested, is far more restricted, especially when lockdowns get enforced to slow down the spread. We only have to look at Victoria for an example for what happens when the virus is left to spread and it is left too late. But the US and UK aren't much different. Very restricted lives and economies. Plus mass death added in. Anyone over 60 or ill , essentially could be in their own level 3 lockdown in their home, for potentially years.

diplomat won't quarantine, apparently will self isolate at home

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122579708/us-ambassador-scott-brown-dodges-quarantine-in-new-zealand-after-us-trip

mattwnz:

 

 

 

I don't think they are going around all the streets knocking on doors of every house in certain suburbs, asking people to take a test. I understand they are mainly replying on people to visit  popup testing stations. But stand to be corrected on this.

 

I am also not sure what is going on with some mask wearers, but I have seen a significant number with them only covering their mouth, and not their nose. I thought it was common sense that it needs to cover both. Maybe they are doing it out of protest, or maybe people genuinely  don't know how to wear them.?

 

 

 

 

 

The problem is that these people who some in the media claim are 'over' our elimination lockdowns, don't seem to realize, is  that living in a country that is Covid infested, is far more restricted, especially when lockdowns get enforced to slow down the spread. We only have to look at Victoria for an example for what happens when the virus is left to spread and it is left too late. But the US and UK aren't much different. Very restricted lives and economies. Plus mass death added in. Anyone over 60 or ill , essentially could be in their own level 3 lockdown in their home, for potentially years.

 

He said surveilance testing especially Maori/Padifika and South Auckland. I imagine they would go to them, random door to door, at supermarkets etc

Re point 2, I agree, but from day one people fleed the lockdown area, flouted, many are now over it. Its the human psyche. Why are we spending more resources putting the new outbreak people into MIQ? We cannot trust them, so to avoid the effects of the few, they all go to MIQ instead of home at personal Level 4. As for the few in the commubity that dont care, and Sundays level 2, we will have along tail