2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2434397 8-Mar-2020 08:55

neb: Apropos of nothing, went to the Home and Something show yesterday with Mrs.Neb to check various things for the Casa de Cowboy rebuild. We deliberately went on a weekday to avoid the usual weekend crowds, but in this case not only were there no crowds, there was no-one period. There were perhaps two dozen people at the entire show, when you'd normally expect should-to-shoulder crowds of thousands. Not sure what caused it, but something that extreme had to be pretty radical, and coronavirus panic would be one reason. Felt really sorry for the poor exhibitors, every stand we walked past wanted to talk to us because there was just no-one there, and they no doubt paid a fortune for the event.

Very much so. While the Covid-19 affected people are extremely minuscule in number, those indirectly affected are massive. Asian restaurants are quite here in ChCh, its probably worse in AKL. Any activity or business that involves a crowd will be affected

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#2434399 8-Mar-2020 09:05

MileHighKiwi: 43 staff at North Shore Hospital are in self isolation after coming into contact with Coronovirus patients. Hospitals at "breaking point" according to union. From Stuff today. It's happening folks. Another two weeks and I'm certain I'll be working from home fultime.

My wife is quite unwell (hopefully just a normal virus!) and due to fly to AKL tomorrow for 2 days work. She is thinking of canceling the trip, doesnt want to be in an airport/plane looking visibly sick, and she was staying with a colleague and her family, doesnt want to get them sick either.

Wise decision? What would you do?

Cancel the trip. Its highly unlikely she has it, and will catch it, but doing the right thing is great for containment. Its a small inconvenience for many that could avoid a massive inconvenience (infection) for a few. And that few will grow over time. Right now we can self isolate if their is a potential risk, that's better than if serious mass measures came into effect, let alone the effect on the health system.

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#2434402 8-Mar-2020 09:21

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Very much so. While the Covid-19 affected people are extremely minuscule in number, those indirectly affected are massive. Asian restaurants are quite here in ChCh, its probably worse in AKL. Any activity or business that involves a crowd will be affected

Is it just "asian" restaurants that are quiet - or all restaurants? I'm not sure why NZ people should have an expectation that a Chinese restaurant should be any less safe than any other restaurant - none of our active community transmitted cases in NZ had direct links to the outbreak in China.

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#2434405 8-Mar-2020 09:35

Fred99:

tdgeek:

Very much so. While the Covid-19 affected people are extremely minuscule in number, those indirectly affected are massive. Asian restaurants are quite here in ChCh, its probably worse in AKL. Any activity or business that involves a crowd will be affected

Is it just "asian" restaurants that are quiet - or all restaurants? I'm not sure why NZ people should have an expectation that a Chinese restaurant should be any less safe than any other restaurant - none of our active community transmitted cases in NZ had direct links to the outbreak in China.

Probably all restaurants are affected, but Asian restaurants have a high customer count of Asian people, and they are generally super cautious, so often they stay away. Annecdotally, when we go to one, I'd say 90% of the customers are Asian. My wife is Chinese, and her Mum lives with us now, its a big deal to them, and when this first started, her fellow Chinese friends/contacts echoed the keep away sentiment.

I'll get an update this morning.

Update. Wife says asian restaurants are quiet, Chinese, Koreans and Japanese tend to avoid group settings, that's what she sees with the ones in her office area, and owners she knows. I imagine that avoidance drops off as age is lower

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#2434408 8-Mar-2020 09:51

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According to https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-07/coronavirus-infects-melbourne-doctor/12023438, apart from an amazing and appalling lack of judgement from an Aussie GP

"[COVID-19] screening clinics at the Royal Melbourne Hospital, the Alfred, and Austin opened this morning, with another to open later today at Box Hill"

I haven't seen anything yet that indicates we're getting ready for similar screening clinics?

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#2434430 8-Mar-2020 11:16

kingdragonfly:

I wasn't targeting you.

I wasn't being sensitive, just trying to clarify my question. Many people confuse viruses and bacteria and I was wondering if that could also be the case here. Apparently not.

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#2434433 8-Mar-2020 11:25

Wife shows me a video just now, made in China, in English, translating, with 3 European people reading advice about precautions. Wash hands, dont touch face, then she puts her finger in her mouth, licks it, then turns the page on her speech document. Tut tut, but funny

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#2434434 8-Mar-2020 11:35

Here in Hastings the annual Horse of the Year show is a big deal. It opens tomorrow and lasts for a week. It is a major event and people come from all over the country and even abroad to participate and spectate. Their web site is full of events and promotional noise, not a word of any kind about the virus, nothing about safety precautions in large gatherings, nothing, nothing, nothing. Also nothing (so far) on news sites like RNZ about it. If the virus threat was being taken seriously at all in this country, surely there would be some kind of information campaign, but nope, nada, nothing, not a peep, nothing to see here people, let's all just happily cram together and pretend it isn't happening. There is something surreal about this complete and total obliviousness when there is even serious talk about cancelling the Olympics! Nothing rules here like the almighty dollar. Don't let a little detail like a lethal pandemic get in the way.

As a high risk resident of Hastings, I feel very uncomfortable about this blasé drawing of virus hosts from all over the country's centres of infection to the place where I live and have to do my shopping. More than that, the arrogant indifferent dismissiveness of any responsibility to the well-being of others seriously pisses me off!

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#2434546 8-Mar-2020 15:20

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mattwnz:

I had read that they think it may also be possible for it to be transmitted through fecal matter, and aerosol effects.

It's pretty rare that I do aerial defecation, but I'll have to keep that in mind.

It is a concern for bird flu.

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#2434549 8-Mar-2020 15:30

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Yes, it's spreading, but it can be stopped. Look at China and Japan. They essentially have it under control.

You believe everything China says?

You believe everything Fox News says?

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#2434550 8-Mar-2020 15:37

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Almost every one had toilet paper!

Apart from the obvious "because everyone's s***ting themselves over coronavirus", which is actually not foo far from the truth, another explanation I heard was that during the SARS outbreak Japan had a severe shortage of TP, which come from China, and the current hoarding is due to folk memory of this.

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#2434556 8-Mar-2020 15:50

I recall a RNZ story a few years ago on TP in NZ, where they were interviewing a manufacturer, and recall it said that almost all TP in NZ is imported on huge rolls out of Asia somewhere. So hopefully supply isn't affected

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#2434557 8-Mar-2020 15:51

Rikkitic:

Here in Hastings the annual Horse of the Year show is a big deal. It opens tomorrow and lasts for a week. It is a major event and people come from all over the country and even abroad to participate and spectate. Their web site is full of events and promotional noise, not a word of any kind about the virus, nothing about safety precautions in large gatherings, nothing, nothing, nothing. Also nothing (so far) on news sites like RNZ about it. If the virus threat was being taken seriously at all in this country, surely there would be some kind of information campaign, but nope, nada, nothing, not a peep, nothing to see here people, let's all just happily cram together and pretend it isn't happening. There is something surreal about this complete and total obliviousness when there is even serious talk about cancelling the Olympics! Nothing rules here like the almighty dollar. Don't let a little detail like a lethal pandemic get in the way.

As a high risk resident of Hastings, I feel very uncomfortable about this blasé drawing of virus hosts from all over the country's centres of infection to the place where I live and have to do my shopping. More than that, the arrogant indifferent dismissiveness of any responsibility to the well-being of others seriously pisses me off!

I understand how you feel because, at the moment, it's quite difficult to decide which events you should or shouldn't go to. For example, should you play tennis because you handle a ball that others have handled and you shake hands at the end of the game. Or should you go to a swimming pool and use dressing rooms that were used by someone else a few minutes ago etc etc?

But, when you state "don't let a little detail like a lethal pandemic get in the way" I think you're overstepping the mark at this point in time. It hasn't been declared a pandemic and although it can be very serious, for 96 - 97% of people it's not actually "lethal". Sure, older men with certain health problems are more likely to die from the virus than most others so these people may need to take more care, but there's no need to scare the living daylights out of people going to the Horse of the Year show.

At the moment, my advice would be that, if there's nobody in your town / city who has the virus, then don't self-isolate yet. I don't think there need to be warnings at public events on how to conduct yourself, if the event is really risky it will most likely be cancelled. So relax a little and enjoy life and don't close your life down just yet!

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#2434560 8-Mar-2020 15:55

tdgeek:

Probably all restaurants are affected,

Cinemas are I place I avoid in winter due to colds and flus. My grandma warned me from an young age to avoid cinemas, unless I wanted to get a cold, as people are in close proximity to one another for a long period of time, and you don't know the air quality.

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#2434562 8-Mar-2020 15:57

mattwnz:
I recall a RNZ story a few years ago on TP in NZ, where they were interviewing a manufacturer, and recall it said that almost all TP in NZ is imported on huge rolls out of Asia somewhere. So hopefully supply isn't affected

Just looked at our bogrolls and they say "Made in Australia or New Zealand from local or imported materials", which is really helpful. OTOH given our wood production I'd assume it was cheaper to make it locally than overseas.

In any case it just means the bulk storage of TP has moved more to the edges of the system, from distribution centres to people's homes. It won't spoil, so it'll get used up at some point, the only problem is if you currently have none in the house.

Anyone found any more funny auctions on TM like the $70 for 30ml of leftover hand sanitiser?

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