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ezbee
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  #2561027 9-Sep-2020 14:03
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Evangelicals
I'm puzzled by this standup and previous ones.
Seem to be contradictions even within this standup, maybe my hearing is going.
Todays standup it was said at start many if not most have been tested. ( Not a very confident statement )
Then later in questioning for more detail it was then said all were tested. It was hard to get numbers that added up.
However it was confirmed this Evangelical group was not co-operating well from the start.
Not what was indicated 'officially' before.

 

There were reporters indicating all was not well, this group did not want to talk.
As opposed to other churches only too happy to share story of how they were helping testing, masking, care for their parish.

 

So had MOH been candid first up 3 weeks ago.
It might have warned community to be careful of this lot.
Even warned the more sensible members of this fellowship to encourage their fellows as Christian thing to do. 
May have also prompted their pastor to co-operate for sake of their reputation.

 

Very softly softly approach, 
I can understand in other circumstances, but here every day of quiet transmission matters, every week critical.
Now we are 3 weeks of transmission down , even further behind, supermarkets, schools , bus driver, funerals.
Like its been said , Victoria started with one or two. 

 

Now we need the ones tested to get tested again, as they may have been mixing and ALL the rest of their contacts.
I bet that's going to be easy, meanwhile transmission at undiscovered edges of this from last 3 weeks.

 

Oh my. Ok we start the clock again but this time under level 2.5.  


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  #2561057 9-Sep-2020 14:27
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ezbee:

 


Seem to be contradictions even within this standup, maybe my hearing is going.
Todays standup it was said at start many if not most have been tested. ( Not a very confident statement )

 

 

 

 

Yes, we have to watch their wording, as words like 'most' not 'all, or many' not 'all' are used. Unless it is 'all', then the virus may find a path. It is the few that may not being doing things right, or not disclosing all close contacts, that causes the problem with this virus. Also there is a new sub cluster around a funeral (IMO they shouldn't be treated any differently to any other social gathering). This was apparently from someone who was another close contact who had had a test, but hadn't had the test back yet. Why weren't they self isolating while waiting? I thought a;ll close contacts were supposed to undergo 14 days self isolation anyway?  I didn't hear any reporter asking that question. 

 

The trend of cases doesn't look good, and it looks like it is still spreading and has created a new cluster . If we are going back into a level 3 lockdown, isn't it better they do this earlier, as as we have seen in Victoria, the longer we wait, the longer we need to stay in it for elimination to work. AT least testing increased yesterday, but that maybe a big batch of border workers for all we know, as they don't break down the number.

 

Unfortunately this time we left lock-down without having ring fenced and contained the virus. We relied on trust that everyone would follow the requirements, but not everyone understands them, or will do that, and you only need that small percentage not to, and the virus will find a path to spread. Likewise, our contact tracing relies on everyone being disclosed, and if one person isn't who ends up getting infected, then that shows a massive hole with it.  I wonder if they have made an error in judgement, (like we did earlier by trusting everyone would self isolate) by lowering the level and opening the border to the rest of NZ, especially as we are always up to 14 days behind the virus. This seems to be more than just a 'long tail', but it has created a new sub cluster and seems to be  spreading at a reasonable rate, which it can now do easier in a lower level 2.5 area.

 

Also wish reporters would ask some good questions. One question sounded good, and that was about restricting planes from hotpots like  India. But they didn't ask the DG whether people should be required to self isolate  and tested before leaving hotspot countries, and return a negative result, to reduce the risk to NZers of being infect once they get here. Leaks of the virus are at the border, so any case that flies into NZ is an opportunity for a potential leak if an error in processing is made during their 14 days in MIQ.. 


 
 
 
 


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  #2561064 9-Sep-2020 14:35
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Batman:

 

GV27:

 

Six cases, all Auckland cluster-related

 

 

that could be completely true, but while it may be completely truthful, it could be quite misleading!

 

*sigh watch this space ...

 

remember the entire Victorian lockdown saga originate from 2 people in managed quarantine (that's what i was told here and read elsewhere)

 

 

 

 

That is  getting the blame, but I recall that there was also some community transmission occurring too prior to this, as I don't think Victoria every eliminated it. But Victoria is  good example of what happens when you delay a lockdown. It just means longer in the lockdown, and also mass death. Although the Australian PM doesn't seem very happy about what is going on in Victoria, and wants to get the entire country open again and the economy running as normal (which IMO is unrealistic in a Covid country unless it is eliminated),  so it will be interesting to see what happens.


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  #2561065 9-Sep-2020 14:37
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I see they will be allowing in partners from split families, allowing those families to reunite, or is that also as bad as letting Kiwis and residents arrive?


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  #2561066 9-Sep-2020 14:38
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mattwnz:

 

Also wish reporters would ask some good questions. One question sounded good, and that was about restricting planes from hotpots like  India. But they didn't ask the DG whether people should be required to self isolate  and tested before leaving hotspot countries, and return a negative result, to reduce the risk to NZers of being infect once they get here. Leaks of the virus are at the border, so any case that flies into NZ is an opportunity for a potential leak if an error in processing is made during their 14 days in MIQ.. 

 

 

The current imported cases from India (via fiji)  indicate that this makes little difference,

 

"Rohit Sharma recently returned from India and told First Up all passengers had to return a negative result before boarding.
"All of us, no matter where we are living in India, we have to do quarantine in New Delhi in a designated hotel by Fiji High Commission

 

But...

 

"26 people in managed isolation and quarantine have tested positive after they travelled from India.Of these 20 are from the first flight six from the second."

 

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/425496/surge-in-positive-covid-19-cases-returning-to-nz-from-india


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  #2561067 9-Sep-2020 14:38
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Menawhile in the USA: "Sturgis Motorcycle Rally Is Now Linked to More Than 250,000 Coronavirus Cases"

 

 

The inevitable fallout from last month’s Sturgis Motorcycle Rally, an annual event that packed nearly 500,000 people into a small town in South Dakota, is becoming clear, and the emerging picture is grim. 

 

According to a new study, which tracked anonymized cellphone data from the rally, over 250,000 coronavirus cases have now been tied to the 10-day event, one of the largest to be held since the start of the pandemic. It drew motorcycle enthusiasts from around the country, many of whom were seen without face coverings inside crowded bars, restaurants, and other indoor establishments. 

 

The explosion in cases, the study from the Germany-based IZA Institute of Labor Economics finds, is expected to reach $12 billion in public health costs.

 

 

$12 billion. Is that ok for your "open economy"?





 

 

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  #2561088 9-Sep-2020 14:58
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wellygary:

 

mattwnz:

 

Also wish reporters would ask some good questions. One question sounded good, and that was about restricting planes from hotpots like  India. But they didn't ask the DG whether people should be required to self isolate  and tested before leaving hotspot countries, and return a negative result, to reduce the risk to NZers of being infect once they get here. Leaks of the virus are at the border, so any case that flies into NZ is an opportunity for a potential leak if an error in processing is made during their 14 days in MIQ.. 

 

 

The current imported cases from India (via fiji)  indicate that this makes little difference,

 

"Rohit Sharma recently returned from India and told First Up all passengers had to return a negative result before boarding.
"All of us, no matter where we are living in India, we have to do quarantine in New Delhi in a designated hotel by Fiji High Commission

 

But...

 

"26 people in managed isolation and quarantine have tested positive after they travelled from India.Of these 20 are from the first flight six from the second."

 

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/425496/surge-in-positive-covid-19-cases-returning-to-nz-from-india

 

 

i think we all know by now that managed isolation in a 1st world and 3rd world country - the result is the same. the virus jumps regardless.





Involuntary autocorrect in operation on mobile device. Apologies in advance.


 
 
 
 


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  #2561102 9-Sep-2020 15:21
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Press release:

 

 

The Government is creating a new border exception category to enable the return of some temporary work visa holders who are overseas and have strong, ongoing links to New Zealand.

 

The Minister of Immigration, Kris Faafoi, has announced that visa holders, who must have retained their job or business in New Zealand, plus their partners and dependent children, will be able to apply for this exception from early October when the new category opens.

 

“Many of these visa holders and their families have lived in New Zealand for years and have built lives here with the hope and expectation that they would be able to stay longer-term in New Zealand. It is only fair to let these visa holders return given their long-standing and ongoing connections to this country.

 

“We are keen to give them certainty and welcome them back to New Zealand,” Kris Faafoi said.

 

“To date, the Government’s priority has been to facilitate the return of New Zealand citizens and permanent residents. Since April more than 40,000 New Zealanders have come home.

 

“We are now starting to be able to make adjustments to our COVID-impacted immigration settings which will allow a small number of people who, under normal circumstances, had the right to come to New Zealand to do so now.

 

“That requires balancing the numbers of people returning with the capacity to manage them in isolation facilities so we can keep COVID-19 contained.

 

“We have the ability to cope with around 7000 people in managed isolation at any one time and those who fit the specific criteria of this new normally resident border exception category are now able to be managed within our system alongside returning citizens and permanent residents.

 

“In order to manage flows of returnees into Managed Isolation, they will also be expected to use the managed isolation allocation system when it goes live,” Kris Faafoi said.

 

To be considered for the new border exception and to demonstrate a strong and ongoing connection to New Zealand with realistic prospects of remaining here long-term, visa holders must:

 

  • still hold their job in New Zealand, or continue to operate a business in New Zealand
  • hold either a work to residence visa, or an essential skills visa that is not subject to the stand-down period, or an entrepreneur visa
  • have departed New Zealand on or after 1 December 2019
  • have lived in New Zealand for at least two years, or, if living in New Zealand for at least one year, have one of the following:

     

    • an entrepreneur work visa and operating a business in New Zealand (and operated it before departing New Zealand)
    • their dependent children with them in New Zealand (for at least six months)
    • parents or adult siblings who are ordinarily resident in New Zealand
    • submitted an application for residence by 31 July 2020
  • have held a visa at the time of departing that does not expire before the end of 2020, or, if expiring before that date, have applied for a further visa by 10 August 2020.

The Government is expecting up to 850 visa holders may be eligible for this category and it will monitor numbers.

 





 

 

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  #2561103 9-Sep-2020 15:21
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Press release:

 

 

The Government is making changes to help new residents stuck offshore keep their residency status while COVID-19 travel restrictions remain in place.

 

“The Government understands the uncertainty that COVID-19 has had on a number of visa holders, particularly individuals overseas who have not been able to travel to New Zealand to activate their new resident visa, or who have been unable to return to New Zealand before their travel conditions expired,” Immigration Minister Kris Faafoi said.

 

Individuals who are granted a resident visa must travel to New Zealand within a certain timeframe to activate their visa. However, current border restrictions have prevented many individuals being able to travel or return to New Zealand, and, as a result, their visa has expired or is about to expire.

 

“By powers given to me under the Immigration Act, individuals whose travel conditions are about to expire will receive a 12 month extension to travel to New Zealand, and those whose travel conditions have expired on or after 2 February 2020 (when travel restrictions began) will be issued a new visa, also valid for 12 months.

 

“These changes will provide around 5,600 resident visa holders, who have invested a lot of time and money to be granted a resident visa, with more certainty about their ability to come and settle in New Zealand in the future,” Kris Faafoi said.

 

“The Government recognises that these individuals have recently met the requirements to be granted residence. If not for border closures forced by the COVID-19 pandemic, they would be living in New Zealand and contributing to our team of five million,” Mr Faafoi said.

 

Individuals will only be able to travel to New Zealand if they are exempt from the current border restrictions or have been granted an exception. Extending travel conditions for these visa holders or issuing a new visa does not mean these individuals are now exempt from the current border restrictions if they were not previously.

 

“It has been important to run tight border restrictions to keep COVID-19 contained while also prioritising the return of New Zealanders. But we are now able to start making some adjustments to immigration settings which will allow a small number of people who, under normal circumstances, would have the right to come to New Zealand to know that will still be possible,” Kris Faafoi said.

 

These changes build on other changes made by the Minister of Immigration using his new powers under the Act, including:

 

  • extending by six months onshore temporary work visas and those of their families due to expire by the end of 2020 benefitting around16,500 workers and their families;
  • extending onshore visitor visas that were due to expire before the end of October 2020 for five-months;
  • extending Recognised Seasonal Employer scheme (RSE) visas by six months for workers who are still in New Zealand and unable to return home, as well as allowing more flexible hours and roles for those RSE workers still in New Zealand. 

FAQs:

 

Why is the Government extending these visas?

 

Due to the current border restrictions, many individuals who have been granted a resident visa have not been able to travel or return to New Zealand before the travel conditions on their visa expire. These are individuals who have either settled or planned to settle in New Zealand long term. The Government recognises that these individuals have recently met residence criteria and there would be no question of their ability to be in New Zealand and contribute to this country had they arrived before COVID-19 closed our borders.

 

Does this mean these individuals will now be able to travel to New Zealand?

 

Individuals will only be able to travel to New Zealand if they are exempt from the border restrictions in place at the time or have been granted an exception. Extending their travel conditions or issuing a new visa does not mean they are exempt from the current border restrictions if they were not previously exempt.

 

How many people will this affect?

 

Around 5,600 resident visa holders currently offshore have travel conditions that are either about to, or have recently expired.

 

How will individuals know if their resident visa has been extended or they have been issued a new one?

 

Holders of a resident visa who have had their travel conditions extended or have been granted a new resident visa will be contacted by Immigration NZ (INZ) via email by the end of September. The email will be sent to the most recent email address held by INZ.

 





 

 

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  #2561178 9-Sep-2020 15:53
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Already reported in this forum.

Here's a followup Twitter


https://twitter.com/RebeccaDRobbins/status/1303491310968479745

Here's the source article

Statnews.com: AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine study put on hold due to suspected adverse reaction in participant in the U.K.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/08/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-study-put-on-hold-due-to-suspected-adverse-reaction-in-participant-in-the-u-k/

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  #2561184 9-Sep-2020 16:09
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freitasm:

 

Press release:

 

 

The Government is making changes to help new residents stuck offshore keep their residency status while COVID-19 travel restrictions remain in place.

 

 

This announcement is basically a non-announcement,

 

the key point is.

 

"Extending travel conditions for these visa holders or issuing a new visa does not mean these individuals are now exempt from the current border restrictions if they were not previously."

 

So, we will give you another 12 months to get to NZ , BUT we are not changing the restrictions that stopped you getting here in the first place...


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  #2561206 9-Sep-2020 16:50
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freitasm:

Menawhile in the USA: "Sturgis Motorcycle Rally Is Now Linked to More Than 250,000 Coronavirus Cases
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The explosion in cases, the study from the Germany-based IZA Institute of Labor Economics finds, is expected to reach $12 billion in public health costs. $12 billion. Is that ok for your "open economy"?



And here's what the $12 billion bought

(rough language)


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  #2561208 9-Sep-2020 17:00
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kingdragonfly: Already reported in this forum.

Here's a followup Twitter

 

NYT reports the illness is transverse myelitis. You really don't want to get it.

 

So quite rare, and could be any of many possible causes, many of them post-infection, and unless they can nail it then it's possibly going to make it very hard to exclude the possibility that it was caused by the vaccine.

 

Damn it.  Pays to note that the fastest modern vaccine to be approved was for mumps (the second M in MMR), and that took 5 years. We're only 5 months down the path.

 

 


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  #2561211 9-Sep-2020 17:07
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New York One news: Six Arrested After Illegal Karaoke Bar is Busted in Brooklyn

A packed Brooklyn New Yor karaoke bar has been shut down and half a dozen people arrested after a night of partying earlier this weekend.

...Police say the crowded bar was operating illegally, with nearly 300 people inside including a child.

...One man who lives nearby said he is disappointed and concerned that the owner would operate like this during the pandemic...

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  #2561214 9-Sep-2020 17:20
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Washington Post: 9 everyday experiences the pandemic has endangered — and how they impact American lives

Buffets
Dancing with strangers
Blowing out birthday candles
One-night stands
Karaoke
Free samples
Cash
Ball pits
Asking a stranger to take our photo

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