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  #2449271 29-Mar-2020 10:30
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Consider what this article says:

 

The primary concern for shoppers is other people, not food. Though shoppers might worry about infecting themselves by handling the same apple or Cheerios box as someone else, health experts say transmission through food or its wrapping is largely avoidable. Research suggests that the virus can exist on cardboard food packaging for a day, and on plastic for several days, but it becomes less infectious over these periods. “My recommendation is just to wash your hands after you handle external packaging,” Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University, says. “High-touch” objects such as shopping-cart handles are a bigger concern, but many stores have provided sanitizing wipes for those.

 

So research suggests that the virus can exist on cardboard food packaging for a day, and on plastic for several days. We are "being told" this by articles like the above, but not by the authorities as you correctly say. I also agree with your comment "how far is too far", so you just have to take a few risks with anything in life. Getting food during the lockdown is possibly the biggest risk area that we face, so some care is obviously needed.

 

 

I personally  feel its worth santizing the packaging. You go shopping, dont bother, just pack it away, wash hands. Make a peanut better sandwich, need to wash hands before eating. Forgot to put it away? Put it away, wash hands. Cornflakes packet tip over, fix that, wash hands. You'd need to either leave it all in the garage for 3 days , or accept that there is potentially virus on most packages. Its catchable from surfaces, to hands, to mouth, eyes, and nose. High touch surfaces are a bigger concern, so she has stated that low touch is a concern.


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  #2449283 29-Mar-2020 10:49
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Couriers already deliver fresh/frozen product for many of the other food delivery options, my food bag, hello fresh etc, so it would appear they can do it, but perhaps supermarkets haven't pursued the possibility for other reasons.

 

 

I would hazard a guess that the timeframe between "oh sh!t" and lockdown wasn't sufficient to be able to make alternative additional arrangements given most supermarkets and supply chains were spending most of the time just trying to keep up with the panic.

 

I'd be more than happy to do some delivery runs with my ute but that still would require planning, logistics and a comprehensive safety plan to keep everyone safe.





 
 
 
 


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  #2449286 29-Mar-2020 10:55
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Bit of queue at new world bishopdale this morning, but not enough that we couldn't all get inside when they opened

They have narrow aisles so maintaining 2m is tricky. But everyone seemed to try and make as much room as possible, and avoid contact

A couple of times I found myself closing up on people, have to unlearn years of shopping habits

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  #2449288 29-Mar-2020 10:58
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gmball:

 

Ive taken frozen product from South Auckland to wellsford using the cooler bags available at Supermarkets, how far are they making deliveries?

 

Couriers already deliver fresh/frozen product for many of the other food delivery options, my food bag, hello fresh etc, so it would appear they can do it, but perhaps supermarkets haven't pursued the possibility for other reasons.

 

 

I'm only guessing here, but I don't know if the delivery trucks all work from a centralised distribution hub, as opposed to being picked/packed at your local store.

 

On the principle though I agree that supermarkets need to somehow increase their online ordering/delivery systems. This morning, Countdown's online store is extremely slow. Had to wait several minutes before page would even load.

 

 


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  #2449289 29-Mar-2020 10:59
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I did a small Countdown shop today (we alternate with Pak n Save as each has some regular products we buy that the other doesn't stock) and it went fine. Small line outside when I got there 5 minutes before opening, but small enough that all were let in at opening time.

 

Everything on my list was available. I even got a pack of flour, which was a surprise. The paper towels and toilet paper were significantly overstocked, with stacks piled up on the floor in front of shelves.


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  #2449307 29-Mar-2020 11:32
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Countdown / New World / Pak 'n Save all do orders from local stores. Some bigger overseas countries such as the UK do have "dark stores" which they use to pick orders from, and there are significant pros and cons to both models.


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  #2449323 29-Mar-2020 11:37
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kiwiharry:

 

On the principle though I agree that supermarkets need to somehow increase their online ordering/delivery systems. This morning, Countdown's online store is extremely slow. Had to wait several minutes before page would even load.

 

 

This is much easier said than done. There are lots of obstacles, including some basics such as if you increase the number of pickers in a store you then have to reduce customer numbers to maintain distance between people.


 
 
 
 


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  #2449365 29-Mar-2020 12:27
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kiwiharry:

 

On the principle though I agree that supermarkets need to somehow increase their online ordering/delivery systems. This morning, Countdown's online store is extremely slow. Had to wait several minutes before page would even load.

 

 

This is much easier said than done. There are lots of obstacles, including some basics such as if you increase the number of pickers in a store you then have to reduce customer numbers to maintain distance between people.

 

 

I appreciate that there are lots of other issues that need to be considered, hence why I used the word somehow instead of must. Anyway I read that Countdown have already closed their Grey Lynn store to public and have it purely do online orders and that they planning to do the same with another 5 stores.


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  #2449466 29-Mar-2020 13:51
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Went to Jadan in 3 Kings at around 10:30 Sunday AM. Was a queue of around 6 people, took around 15 minutes to get inside. By the time I left, there were around 25 people waiting, big gaps between them. 

 

They had most things, maybe a slightly smaller variety of Herbs and things, but overall, got everything I wanted/needed. 

 

Most people were in good spirits, but I think for some reason, people believe it may be contractable via eye contact or if you smile :) 

 

 


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  #2449495 29-Mar-2020 14:21
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Like I said in the other thread, I'm so bored. I'm used to walking almost 6-9 kms every day for my health and weight, yet I'm restricted to walking around the block basically twice. Yes, I know we have to do this and I understand the reasons behind it, but...it's going to be a long 4 weeks.

 

Weekdays aren't so bad where I'm working from home, but weekends just seem to drag on forever (this one has, anyway). I'm not really much of a sit-down-and-watch-TV type of person.


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  #2449515 29-Mar-2020 14:42
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We went out locally today.

Took the long way round the back roads for a change of the view then to the local small supermarket. I remained in the car and my wife went in.

She said that there were about 6 people in there and that the shelves were generally well stocked. Everyone very subdued and eyeing other people with suspicion. No banter.





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  #2449520 29-Mar-2020 14:58
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I'm dreading doing the shopping next weekend, I'm a germophobe at the best of times, never mind when there's a highly-infectious disease around the place. I bought some surgical gloves already in preparation for next weekend.

 

I guess one good thing about this is my commute is quite short :)


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  #2449521 29-Mar-2020 14:59
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We went to New world in woolston yesterday. I liked it, space in the shop to get what you needed, everyone is very obliging and polite and it wasn't too longer wait to get in. Part of me would take the 5 minutes queuing outside for the far more pleasant experience inside once this is all over.

We did cycle a couple of extra km to get to the shop as woolston isn't our local new world to get some exercise, but it wasn't dangerous cycling and tried to stick to roads with not many people around to be semi responsible with the extra outdoors time we needed.

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  #2449546 29-Mar-2020 15:26
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MileHighKiwi: Will this lead to a resurgence in home vege gardens and more sustainable living? A lot of people are learning to live with less, such as takeaways.
And a resurgence in white butterflies. Damn blighters. 


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  #2449553 29-Mar-2020 15:42
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Went to New World Durham Street about midday yesterday, no queue, neither did it look like there were and queues at the Pack n Save or Countdown on Moorhouse as I drove past on my way home.

 

They were making everybody sanitise their hands as you walked in and also wipe down the trolley using provided wipes. One other thing I like was they were enforcing a 1 person per trolley rule, a few people just ahead of me had come as couples and the staff member at the entrance told 1 of each pair they couldn't come in. Helps keep the aisles less busy.

 

Things were generally well stocked, plenty of fruit, veg & meat. Quite a bit of plain flour although it's a brand I've never seen before. The main casualties seemed to be chocolate blocks, spices, baking ingredients, and sauces.

 

People were being pretty good about distancing and not touching things and putting them back. I'm not taking any specific precautions about the food I bought, straight into the pantry, it'll be multiple days before I get to using most of the stuff anyway.


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