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  #2488673 21-May-2020 12:44
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I caught the end of Hosking on ZB today, and he mentions going to a cafe with his daughter and the tracing app not allowing them to sign in. He said it hadn't worked for anyone in the cafe and that the owners had to go back to pen and clipboard.


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  #2488680 21-May-2020 12:55
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Just went for a walk around my area (Browns Bay) and was looking out for any shops with the new QR code unfortunately I did not find one. Plenty of choice for other systems but not for NZ Health app
I do sometimes wonder that so many divisions of MBIE seen to have problems working as a group that the combining of the different departments of Govt into one super ministry was maybe a massive mistake. It bears the fingerprints of Joyce .




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  #2488697 21-May-2020 13:19
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freitasm:

 

@dafman:

 

I think the app may work well for some people, but if you have Google location history enabled I really question why you would bother using the app as well?

 

 

Because if there's a confirmed case at certain location, a push notification is sent out and the app will let you know that a certain point you visited that location within a period of time that could mean you need to contact the MoH and perhaps get tested?

 

 

My understanding was that there is currently no push notification capability - yes/no?

 

If I'm wrong and there is, I'll use the app.


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  #2488711 21-May-2020 13:43
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IMO - MOH have actually done a great job with this app.
(They have got it out fast & kept it simple)

If you think this 'replaces' business registers - you are seriously missing what this app does.

If you are complaining about lack of QR codes available in businesses - to scan with it.
(Blame the media for not providing education )

If you are complaining that it won't install on older devices - Blame Google/Apple - because they are the cause of this problem (longer validation process - / won't allow it)



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  #2488724 21-May-2020 13:57
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@dafman:

 

My understanding was that there is currently no push notification capability - yes/no?

 

If I'm wrong and there is, I'll use the app.

 

 

Sorry, I didn't take note if this is implemented on the current version or not, but I understand Amazon Pinpoint is used for this kind of communication. Regardless of being there now or in the next week, a notification would look at the whole local storage for matches anyway.

 

What is not there now but might come later is an option to securely upload your records if a tracing investigation starts. You would still have to tap on a button to send this data as their principle is to not get this information from you without consent.





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  #2488764 21-May-2020 14:50
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antonknee:

 

Some 'interesting' feedback - Radio NZ: Government's contact tracing app 'insufficient for businesses' - developer

 

One of the developers, Alan Chew, said the app that had been put out was "insufficient" for businesses' needs...

 

...Daily official briefings and ministry statements indicated the work was urgent, and epidemiologists were saying an app should be ready for the transition from level 4 to 3 in late April.

 

Instead, it took another three weeks to release.

 

 

Some other questions raised in the article about the overall process, capability of the app, transparency of the MoH and a few other issues.

 

 

This article seems pretty shoddy. I really doubt you could fully build out and develop an app and its backend like this in only two days.

 

I also don't understand why the journalist is relying on the word of the software developer to ascertain whether the app meets the statutory requirements for contact tracing. The developer is right, but it's the same issue currently being faced by Rippl and WCC who have both apparently gotten confirmation from MoH that the law doesn't matter — which is actually the really important news story out of all of this.

 

https://twitter.com/WgtnCC/status/1261133333540401156


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  #2488771 21-May-2020 15:14
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Benjip:

If it's this difficult for us (geeks, posting on a forum for geeks), imagine how difficult it will be for 99% of business owners/staff?

 

 

Friend of mine was saying that he was going to get his own QR code for his (home-based) business and carry it around with him, then whenever he went into a place that didn't have a QR code up he'd scan his BYO one.

 

 

Wherever you go, there you are.

 
 
 
 




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  #2488781 21-May-2020 15:29
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neb:

 

Friend of mine was saying that he was going to get his own QR code for his (home-based) business and carry it around with him, then whenever he went into a place that didn't have a QR code up he'd scan his BYO one. Wherever you go, there you are.

 

 

I hope your friend said that as a joke.





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  #2488811 21-May-2020 16:32
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neb:

Friend of mine was saying that he was going to get his own QR code for his (home-based) business and carry it around with him, then whenever he went into a place that didn't have a QR code up he'd scan his BYO one.

Wherever you go, there you are.


That is precisely the behavior/attitude which is killing innocent people across the world at the moment.
I hope you 'ripped him a new one'....

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  #2488813 21-May-2020 16:35
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freitasm:

I hope your friend said that as a joke.

 

 

Yup. It was a tongue-in-cheek response to the lack of QR codes in stores.

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  #2488814 21-May-2020 16:36
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concordnz: IMO - MOH have actually done a great job with this app.
(They have got it out fast & kept it simple)

If you think this 'replaces' business registers - you are seriously missing what this app does.

If you are complaining about lack of QR codes available in businesses - to scan with it.
(Blame the media for not providing education )

If you are complaining that it won't install on older devices - Blame Google/Apple - because they are the cause of this problem (longer validation process - / won't allow it)


Education in incumbent on the media? Are they the ones offering the app.

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  #2488818 21-May-2020 16:39
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From an informal check with neighbours who didn't even know the tracing app or QR codes existed, the government really needs to run a media blitz to inform:

 

 

* The public about the app and how it works.

 

 

* Businesses how to enrol for the QR codes.

 

 

At the moment it's all at about the level of being on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard'.

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  #2488819 21-May-2020 16:40
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concordnz: IMO - MOH have actually done a great job with this app.
(They have got it out fast & kept it simple)

If you think this 'replaces' business registers - you are seriously missing what this app does.

If you are complaining about lack of QR codes available in businesses - to scan with it.
(Blame the media for not providing education )

If you are complaining that it won't install on older devices - Blame Google/Apple - because they are the cause of this problem (longer validation process - / won't allow it)


Education in incumbent on the media? Are they the ones offering the app.


Yes, I believe it is the media's responsibility to help here.

People don't read emails from MIBE
they don't read press releases

But they all watch the news in some shape or form.

Media have a responsibility to 'assist' in spreading accurate & helpful information.

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  #2488821 21-May-2020 16:46
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I went out for a sail today - yacht club had printed posters laminated with QR code but the app wouldn't recognise the code - came up with a "code not supported" message, a couple of other people with me from the club tell me "nah - don't worry about it - it doesn't work".  I guess it's probably because someone in the office stuffed up - but when an opt-in system fails like that, people will give up on the idea as a waste of time. 




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  #2488822 21-May-2020 16:48
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@neb: From an informal check with neighbours who didn't even know the tracing app or QR codes existed, the government really needs to run a media blitz to inform: * The public about the app and how it works. * Businesses how to enrol for the QR codes.

 

 

I've received an email from MBIE today with links to more information:

 





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