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  #2498662 5-Jun-2020 08:09
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Short piece from Morning Report today on NZ's contract tracing mess. Link here.


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  #2498668 5-Jun-2020 08:24
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alasta: I don’t understand why QR codes are necessary. Would it not be possible for the app to just display a list of nearby businesses based on your current location, then you select the correct one? It would be just like doing a check in on Facebook but the data would be stored on your phone for privacy.


You can thank the 5G hat wearing brigade.

There was no way they wanted anything that enabled location tracking from launch as it is government spawned.

Read the aforementioned reviews from people who have not even downloaded it. But 1* asking what business is it of the government to know where they have been etc

And posters mentioning the manual log too.. remember that is the store requirements under lvl2.
The app is purely for customer use and alone doesn't fit the lvl2 store requirements of 20days records

 
 
 
 


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  #2498761 5-Jun-2020 09:36
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The petrol station I went to had a GOVT QR code on the inside of the plexi glass "sneeze protector" so you could in theory scan it while paying.

 

However they had then put random stuff to sell right in front of the code so scanning it was impossible without moving all of those products. So I didn't scan anything (again)


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  #2498775 5-Jun-2020 09:55
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I have to wonder if the deployed QRs are A3/A4 and good-scan ratio distorted once blown up

 

Local countdown has one on the outside - about A2. Doesn't scan and has lots of glass reflection from facing south and a carpark full of cars etc.

 

 

 

One by the actual internal doors is almost wall to wall A4 (or perhaps A3) and it scans even on the outter edge of the app guides (which are just, guides) from a good 2m away easily

 

I get as far as pushing the app button and lifting it up toward it and BEEP before I've checked it's aligned. Does mean you are standing there and then need to find a home for the device before pumping the dispenser under it however.

 

Guess device cameras will also have an impact. Those with the dedicated BW lens (I got a P20 non pro) may take advantage and be able to AI the heck out of it. While something with a lesser quality single sensor may struggle with focus like it's a front facing 2Mp - giving those with cheapo smartphones a false sense of 'useless app'


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  #2498840 5-Jun-2020 11:05
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dafman:

 

Short piece from Morning Report today on NZ's contract tracing mess. Link here.

 

 

TQ for bringing that RNZ item to our attention

 

As many will know other jurisdictions have indicated mooted 80% uptake what would make a mobile tracing 'app' effective. It could be argued that would never be achieved with a mobile based app for a variety of reasons

 

A more effective method would be a smart card approach issued to everyone and no one can enter a business without showing it. I know this was evaluated but not sure why they didn't do that I think it was lead time and cost?

 

Maybe it was realised that a call center based approach was and is the only effective way to achieve tracing but by then the govt had already committed to an app and the media and public expected it and thus the mess we have since it was no longer a) a priority and b) effective 


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  #2499833 6-Jun-2020 18:21
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Feature tonight on Newshub on the the dogs breakfast that is the process for businesses to download the govt QR code.

 

Who would have guessed?


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  #2501713 9-Jun-2020 19:49
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NZDF state that BT tech is not reliable for its intended use as a Tracer app

 

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/418620/covid-tracing-app-bluetooth-tech-unreliable-nzdf

 

I wonder why NZDF is commenting on this, were they asked and if they're being proactive did they consider other jurisdictions e.g. Singapore and France have deployed

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2501830 10-Jun-2020 09:11
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NZDF state that BT tech is not reliable for its intended use as a Tracer app

 

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/418620/covid-tracing-app-bluetooth-tech-unreliable-nzdf

 

I wonder why NZDF is commenting on this, were they asked and if they're being proactive did they consider other jurisdictions e.g. Singapore and France have deployed

 

 

 

 

NZDF has, in the Government’s opinion, expertise in this area. They were probably asked to comment. The Singapore app has been shown to be totally ineffective due to false readings, and is useless. I’m not aware of the status of the French solution.





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The scientific analysis capability at DTA will easily rival that of any other institution in New Zealand, it makes sense that the government would use an institution that it funds to conduct research for it.

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  #2502214 10-Jun-2020 13:27
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According to RNZ an update today will provide:

 

NZ Covid Tracer app

 

An update to the government's NZ Covid Tracer app will be released this evening to provide more functions for users, the ministry said.

 

These will allow:

 

  • users to choose to be notified if they've visited a venue at the same time as someone who subsequently developed Covid-19
  • users can choose to send their digital diary to contact tracers if required
  • there will be a vibrate mode when scanning QR codes to assist those who are visually impaired.

 

 

Nice but totally pointless unless the make QR codes mandatory to display.

 

Not sure why the are bothering to spend money on this app that clearly won't be used by business.
I walked to 500m down my local shopping strip at lunch-time today to post a parcel - didn't notice one QR code on either side of the road.

 

 


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  #2502234 10-Jun-2020 13:44
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Interestingly the live updates on The Spinoff state that 45,297 businesses have printed posters and the total number of scans is 816,612.

 

If my maths is right then each poster has been scanned fewer than 20 times, which suggests that hardly anyone is using them.


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  #2502266 10-Jun-2020 15:09
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An update to the government's NZ Covid Tracer app will be released this evening to provide more functions for users, the ministry said.

 

 

You missed out the image they used to publicise the change. For those who didn't see the announcement, I've attached it here.

 

 


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I have not found anywhere yet to scan a code to see if it works.
My supermarket seems to have decided they don't need to , or its somewhere where it won't slow people down entering.
I guess they just pull credit card and EFTPOS details if something horrible happens.

 

If your'e Appy and you know it....
Well some of us remember when "There's an App for that" was a joke. 

 

Times have changed.
It is a real pity though that we don't have an effective integrated system, with supporting App.
General view seems to be its over for these measures, but I do see the time of its greatest importance is coming.
As we do need it for managing bubbles and opening to the world, tracing visitors who are an extra risk, to ensure they are not.

 

I would have liked to see the government doing a deal with ripple etc to integrate their technology right at the earliest moment.
As they were well ahead of Government efforts.
Avoid the whole disaster of misuse and cases of stalking, I see another one has come to light.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12338594

 

It would have given a real impetus for takeup.

 

Multilevel approach would also have been of value , no phone or old phone , we give you a system where you can print your covid only ID code to scan.
Far better that writing things down in the open, no scanner in a small business, you can write down the alphanumeric code at a pinch.

 

For the 1% of idiots who will create fake code, so what, with 90-99% compliance working enough to be very useful if not invaluable.

 

Missed opportunity, and now everyone thinks we don't need any tracing when for forthcoming visitor bubble we really do.

 

To most people who have a drivers licence, car registration, own a property so on property registers, and registered to vote so details on the electoral roll etc, no big deal. ?




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  #2502311 10-Jun-2020 15:32
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I've found 50% of the places I've visited (very few as I have left home only twice in the last couple of weeks) have the MBIE QR code. Another 30% would have their own code that redirects to an online form. Yes, highly unreliable stats.

 

@neb the latest update to the app adds the option to be notified if you have been somewhere with a positive result requiring tracing, and give the option off uploading your data. I would say this is what we need the app for, so not quite your summary.





 

 

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  #2502355 10-Jun-2020 15:39
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ezbee:

I have not found anywhere yet to scan a code to see if it works.

 

 

The local Bunnings has it very prominently displayed next to the hand sanitiser at the entrance. I asked the door-person how many people they thought were scanning it and she estimated about 50%, so it can work if it's done right.

 

 

Our favourite local restaurant also had the code up by the door, and we were asked twice whether we'd registered, however that was via a different mechanism where you go to some URL and enter your details.

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