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#1874896 29-Sep-2017 18:25

MikeB4:

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Yeah, the number of dicks I've seen running red lights lately. I reckon this country would have no govt debt if they fined all these people for this behaviour.

Introduce a regime as follows:

1st offence: $50

2nd offence: $1000 or 7 days in prison

3rd offence: : car sold, all money to the state, 7 days in prison, $5000 fine if it wasn't your car

4th offence: Lifetime driving ban, 1 year in prison no parole

I know the police (and penalties) are much harsher in Australia than here, and I was pleasantly surprised by the civilised driving I observed whilst in Sydney last week.

Those are crazy options, the cost to NZ would be huge and not just for the Prison service.

Only if you assume people in NZ are too stupid to learn that driving through red lights is a bad idea. Do you think that?

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#1874903 29-Sep-2017 18:45

floydbloke:
Must have been important. Needed two hands to use the cellphone.

What about the cost to NZ of the consequences of their actions?

What price do you put on the lives lost?

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#1874907 29-Sep-2017 18:54

Looks like they are taking a photo of the car ahead, or a video.

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#1874909 29-Sep-2017 19:01

Ironic if they are documenting someone else's bad driving.

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#1874915 29-Sep-2017 19:16

mattwnz:

Looks like they are taking a photo of the car ahead, or a video.

I have no idea what she was doing to be honest. The road was pretty much clear in front of her. I cropped the video a bit, but on the original the dashcam GPS tells me I was doing exactly 100 when going past her, she would have been going no more than 70. At the start of the vid you'll see the white car having to brake quite hard.

I actually reported using the online police Roadwatch form. No option there to attach video or images but I did mention that I do have some footage. Be interesting to see if they'll get in touch about it.

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#1875011 30-Sep-2017 08:43

Out of interest, anyone else in Chch noticed police have essentially stopped caring about red light runners or speeders?

They've openly said they've got better things to do than police the 30kph limit in the Central city.

I have seen multiple red light runners -multiple cars turning right usually right in front of police and they don't do anything.

I did see one 'chirp' at a car that was 3rd in line and ran the red, forcing the green cars to wait.

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#1875044 30-Sep-2017 11:23

tehgerbil:

Out of interest, anyone else in Chch noticed police have essentially stopped caring about red light runners or speeders?

They've openly said they've got better things to do than police the 30kph limit in the Central city.

I have seen multiple red light runners -multiple cars turning right usually right in front of police and they don't do anything.

I did see one 'chirp' at a car that was 3rd in line and ran the red, forcing the green cars to wait.

is it worth the hassle of disrupting even more people if the policeman has to go through the red to catch him , it just adds to the risk .

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#1875049 30-Sep-2017 12:01

tehgerbil:

Out of interest, anyone else in Chch noticed police have essentially stopped caring about red light runners or speeders?

They've openly said they've got better things to do than police the 30kph limit in the Central city.

I have seen multiple red light runners -multiple cars turning right usually right in front of police and they don't do anything.

I did see one 'chirp' at a car that was 3rd in line and ran the red, forcing the green cars to wait.

Digital red light cameras could ticket every one of them every time, maintaining the enforcement whilst the police do something requiring human input....

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#1875062 30-Sep-2017 13:00

Yes but those cameras cost money. Money the government hasn't invested.

Here's an interesting fact. Compared to 10 years ago there are now more people per cop - ergo it's easier to get away with crime.

http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/83008493/Analysis-Police-numbers-in-the-political-crossfire

I am always amused (as an occasional bike user) to read comments railing against cyclists 'breaking the rules'. Go to any suburban stop sign and you will be lucky to see a driver actually stop .

i asked a beat cop about this one day and he said the policy in those cases was to encourage the council to convert these intersections to give ways !

Of course they don't take the same approach for other widely flouted laws......marijuana anyone?

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#1875064 30-Sep-2017 13:05

Red light runners have changed my methods at intersections, there are a few intersections that if I am at the front of the queue I wait a few seconds after the green to proceed I also drive slower through intersections these days and ignore the impatient muppets who toot their horns and think 2 seconds is such a massive impact on their lives.

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#1875066 30-Sep-2017 13:11

It's not 2 seconds for the car that could have made it through the light sequence but didn't - it's 2 minutes.

I commend your caution though - but a look should give confidence.

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#1875118 30-Sep-2017 15:09

elpenguino:
It's not 2 seconds for the car that could have made it through the light sequence but didn't - it's 2 minutes.

I commend your caution though - but a look should give confidence.

Not in Wellington where many drivers believe the road rules for them are optional

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#1875345 1-Oct-2017 09:25

MikeB4:
Red light runners have changed my methods at intersections, there are a few intersections that if I am at the front of the queue I wait a few seconds after the green to proceed I also drive slower through intersections these days and ignore the impatient muppets who toot their horns and think 2 seconds is such a massive impact on their lives.

As someone who often rides motorbikes, I completly agree with you. I always wait 5 or so seconds before going after the green. I've had someone toot at me after the light has changed (almost the instant it did too actually) and then a truck run the red that would have absolutely cleaned me up. Needless to say, the driver of the car got a one-finger salute before I moved on - slowly.

Who cares if the car behind you or behind them misses the light cycle? They'd be waiting a hell of a lot longer if there was a crash at the intersection they were trying to go through - no one's time is worth more than someone else's life.

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#1875481 1-Oct-2017 13:46

elpenguino:

It's not 2 seconds for the car that could have made it through the light sequence but didn't - it's 2 minutes.

I commend your caution though - but a look should give confidence.

I do this strange thing where I look to see if there are any vehicles coming that are potentially going to run the red light so I can leave immediately on the green signal. I learned it as a survival technique as life long motorcyclist. I even do it where the light is already green and has been for a time as I approach the intersection. I wonder if it could catch on? Probably not.

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#1875659 1-Oct-2017 20:06

@cadman:

elpenguino:

It's not 2 seconds for the car that could have made it through the light sequence but didn't - it's 2 minutes.

I commend your caution though - but a look should give confidence.

I do this strange thing where I look to see if there are any vehicles coming that are potentially going to run the red light so I can leave immediately on the green signal. I learned it as a survival technique as life long motorcyclist. I even do it where the light is already green and has been for a time as I approach the intersection. I wonder if it could catch on? Probably not.

Did you watch my video here? The lights were red for that driver and even if I could see a car coming (can't see from that position) you'd have to trust that s/he would stop seeing the the amber and red lights were on for seconds before he passed through.

Also there are places where you can't see down the road because of buildings in the corner. This would give you less than a second if a driver decides to come running down the road.

Watch my video again and pay attention to the light change and the runner.

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