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elpenguino
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  #1875666 1-Oct-2017 20:14
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If you look but cant see then you can have no confidence. Just move until you can see.

 

I'm not sure what some of you are suggesting but it sounds like you are giving up to red-light runners.

 

 


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  #1875681 1-Oct-2017 20:25
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elpenguino:

 

If you look but cant see then you can have no confidence. Just move until you can see.

 

I'm not sure what some of you are suggesting but it sounds like you are giving up to red-light runners.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not giving up to red light runners but giving up on premature death for the sake of a few seconds


 
 
 
 


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  #1875725 1-Oct-2017 21:10
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Just have a look at each intersection then.

 

Waiting an arbitrary number of seconds and then moving is no good. What if your red light runner is coming thru 3 seconds after instead of 2?


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  #1875730 1-Oct-2017 21:28
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I have completed advanced driving courses and have not had any at fault accidents, I know how the deal with intersections


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  #1875781 2-Oct-2017 00:44
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freitasm:

 

Did you watch my video here?

 

 

Yep. I watched it not long after you posted it. If you can't see you're taking a risk, regardless.

 

elpenguino:

 

Just have a look at each intersection then.

 

Waiting an arbitrary number of seconds and then moving is no good. What if your red light runner is coming thru 3 seconds after instead of 2?

 

 

Don't say that. He'll sit there for 10 seconds now!


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  #1875789 2-Oct-2017 06:11
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MikeB4:

 

Geektastic:

 

DarthKermit:

 

Yeah, the number of dicks I've seen running red lights lately. I reckon this country would have no govt debt if they fined all these people for this behaviour.

 

 

 

 

Introduce a regime as follows:

 

 

 

1st offence: $50

 

2nd offence: $1000 or 7 days in prison

 

3rd offence: : car sold, all money to the state, 7 days in prison, $5000 fine if it wasn't your car

 

4th offence: Lifetime driving ban, 1 year in prison no parole

 

 

 

I know the police (and penalties) are much harsher in Australia than here, and I was pleasantly surprised by the civilised driving I observed whilst in Sydney last week.

 

 

Those are crazy options, the cost to NZ would be huge and not just for the Prison service.

 

 

What about the cost to NZ of the consequences of their actions?

 

What price do you put on the lives lost?

 

- previously quoted the wrong post :)


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  #1875799 2-Oct-2017 06:40
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elpenguino:

Just have a look at each intersection then.


Waiting an arbitrary number of seconds and then moving is no good. What if your red light runner is coming thru 3 seconds after instead of 2?



Ahhh I see where we have misunderstood each other - I was wondering what you were going on about.

It's not that I count to x and then simply go - the fact that red light running has become so commonplace has meant that I will wait a few seconds and then I will look, before moving off.

 
 
 
 


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  #1875952 2-Oct-2017 10:07
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I really think we aught to introduce a repeat drivers license test every X years.

 

I've thought about - There's a basic lack of any form of care given by most regarding driving conscientiously.

 

There's no/very little incentive to obey the rules/laws, due to a rather low risk of being caught.

 

There are simply too many drivers, not enough police to adequately monitor and catch people doing stupid/illegal things.

 

Despite the potential for large returns, there's very little interest in introducing cameras to monitor speed/red light running.

 

I think a re-test every x years would stop people growing complacent, I see an overwhelming amount of things people do that would be quickly stamped out if enforced even just a little:

Indicating with no more than a flick of the stick right before a turn.
Going 55km/h in a 50.
Tailgating (less than 2 seconds behind).
Lack of car maintenance, such as light bulbs not working, bald tyres, damage from minor collisions without repairs etc.
Mobile phone usage while driving.
Not wearing seatbelts.
Running orange/red lights.
Speeding up to make the orange.
Driving in cycle lanes.
Turning into furthest lane.
Not having headlights on at dusk/dawn.
Dirty windows hampering visbility. (Especially relevant in Spring with pollen).
Not using rear demister in colder mornings. 


I see every single one of these driving issues, every morning and every evening travelling Sydenham to Bishopdale here in Chch, and as mentioned above police just completely turn a blind eye to all of it. 

It's stupid to spent millions on the occasional 'crackdown' while ignoring the issue every other day of the year.

 

 

 

 


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  #1875956 2-Oct-2017 10:16
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tehgerbil:

 

I see an overwhelming amount of things people do that would be quickly stamped out if enforced even just a little:
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Not using rear demister in colder mornings. 
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I don't want to trivialise your post as I fundamentally agree with the entire concept.

 

 

 

The rear demister though? That one had me scratching my head a little - how is having a fogged rear window an issue?


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  #1875995 2-Oct-2017 11:17
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Ge0rge:

 

tehgerbil:

 

I see an overwhelming amount of things people do that would be quickly stamped out if enforced even just a little:
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Not using rear demister in colder mornings. 
...

 

 

I don't want to trivialise your post as I fundamentally agree with the entire concept.

 

The rear demister though? That one had me scratching my head a little - how is having a fogged rear window an issue?

 

 

Fair call - Sorry for not clarifying- I often see people with completely fogged up rear windows first thing in the morning. Which could be resolved with a real simple swipe of the wiper, or demisters, but I guess they don't think they need to ever see what's behind them.

 

It's dangerous for motorbikes and mopeds as they tend to be invisible in your wing mirrors, only visible out your rear window. 


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  #1876005 2-Oct-2017 11:25
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It's bad enough that the police themselves dont follow road rules.

 

 

 

So many times I've seen patrol cars turning without indicators, and rolling stops @ Stop signs.

 

 





My thoughts are no longer my own and is probably representative of our media-controlled government


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  #1876019 2-Oct-2017 11:41
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SepticSceptic:

 

It's bad enough that the police themselves dont follow road rules.

 

 

 

So many times I've seen patrol cars turning without indicators, and rolling stops @ Stop signs.

 

 

True that. I even had a cop fail to give way to me when I was coming out of a side street she was turning into (uncontrolled - before the change). She applied the fictitious "main road" rule. Fortunately, I apply the overriding "everyone else is an idiot" rule or I would have ended up with a police car in the side of my car. I gave her a right bollocking through my open window as she drove past which was completely ignored, I presume out of shame.


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  #1876038 2-Oct-2017 11:58
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tehgerbil:

 

I really think we aught to introduce a repeat drivers license test every X years.

 

I've thought about - There's a basic lack of any form of care given by most regarding driving conscientiously.

 

There's no/very little incentive to obey the rules/laws, due to a rather low risk of being caught.

 

There are simply too many drivers, not enough police to adequately monitor and catch people doing stupid/illegal things.

 

Despite the potential for large returns, there's very little interest in introducing cameras to monitor speed/red light running.

 

I think a re-test every x years would stop people growing complacent, I see an overwhelming amount of things people do that would be quickly stamped out if enforced even just a little:

Indicating with no more than a flick of the stick right before a turn.
Going 55km/h in a 50.
Tailgating (less than 2 seconds behind).
Lack of car maintenance, such as light bulbs not working, bald tyres, damage from minor collisions without repairs etc.
Mobile phone usage while driving.
Not wearing seatbelts.
Running orange/red lights.
Speeding up to make the orange.
Driving in cycle lanes.
Turning into furthest lane.
Not having headlights on at dusk/dawn.
Dirty windows hampering visbility. (Especially relevant in Spring with pollen).
Not using rear demister in colder mornings. 

I see every single one of these driving issues, every morning and every evening travelling Sydenham to Bishopdale here in Chch, and as mentioned above police just completely turn a blind eye to all of it. 

It's stupid to spent millions on the occasional 'crackdown' while ignoring the issue every other day of the year. 

 

I don't disagree in general although a couple of the things you've listed aren't actually offences, and there's a few you've missed off. And of course there'll be hundreds more threads on places like here complaining "revenue gathering".


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  #1876071 2-Oct-2017 13:00
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tehgerbil:

 

Despite the potential for large returns, there's very little interest in introducing cameras to monitor speed/red light running.

 

 

I think there's *way* too much effort put into enforcing speed limits and drink driving, and not enough on anything else. Speed (and drink driving) are low-hanging fruit from the enforcement point of view, and disproportionate resources is spent on them. This has led to a laissez-faire attitude towards most traffic safety violations where you're unlikely to be ticketed for e.g. tailgating, even if you do it in front of a cop.

 

I think it's also led to an assumption by drivers that so long as they aren't speeding and/or drunk, they're safe. People don't think "Is this a safe speed?"; instead they think "Am I below the speed limit?". I think this explains the  Montana: No Speed Limit Safety Paradox where traffic safety improved when speed limits were removed, and worsened when they were reintroduced.

 

If we start from the assumption that there are in fact vehicles with various speeds on a road, then it just doesn't make sense to have only one lane. Otherwise, people who feel safer driving slower are continually overtaken (and tailgated) by people who drive faster, and feel pressured to drive at or near the speed limit. It's only when a road gets clogged that a few passing lane sections are added.  Thank gods that the expressways are finally getting built, but they're *way* too late.

 

 


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  #1876296 2-Oct-2017 18:36
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Ge0rge:

 

 

 

The rear demister though? That one had me scratching my head a little - how is having a fogged rear window an issue?

 

 

If I cant have dark tints because of some concerns about visibility then why the hell should people be allowed to drive around with a fogged up window? Cars all have technology to deal with that, if its inoperative and the car is fogged up then its more dangerous than tints which are apparently a huuuuuuuuge safety issue.





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