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  # 2024398 29-May-2018 08:22
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Wellingtondave:

 

DarthKermit:

 

Christ, two more senseless deaths on the road today. A car driven by a 15 year old boy crashed near Longburn killing a 12 year old girl. The driver is now reported to have died also. yell

 

Stuff article 

 

 

No one else / other party was killed or injured, so what's the problem? 

 

 

Would you say that $h!t if it was your kid? undecided


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  # 2024400 29-May-2018 08:24
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DarthKermit:

 

Wellingtondave:

 

DarthKermit:

 

Christ, two more senseless deaths on the road today. A car driven by a 15 year old boy crashed near Longburn killing a 12 year old girl. The driver is now reported to have died also. yell

 

Stuff article 

 

 

No one else / other party was killed or injured, so what's the problem? 

 

 

Would you say that $h!t if it was your kid? undecided

 

 

no offense but my kid wouldnt be stealing cars and driving like an idiot .





Common sense is not as common as you think.


 
 
 
 


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  # 2024411 29-May-2018 08:29
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Fred99:

 

Wellingtondave:

 

this is the best result from someone failing to stop for the Police

 

 

Two dead children is the best result?

 

What a thoroughly disgusting thing to say!

 

 

If you take the statement "two dead children" in isolation, sure.

 

However, the driver, I believe was on bail, had a number of previous serious driving offences/convictions, was breaching his bail conditions, was driving a stolen car and failed to stop when signaled to do so by a member of the Police.

 

This was not an accident.  This was a deliberate choice to attempt to run from the police which resulted in the two deaths.  Luckily, it did not result in any other deaths of innocent parties along the way.  I have no idea if the passengers were in the car by choice or their knowledge of the history of the driver.
It is blatantly clear that the driver had a complete a total disregard for laws, rules and society in general and would, if not currently dead, continue to offend. 
Actions have consequences.  Unfortunately too many people these days seem to forget that detail.
In this instance the law won.  Law of physics, since you can't choose to disregard those laws.

 

So, in summary.  Age 15.  Already has a string of offences and convictions for driving.  Was unlicenced.  Was driving a stolen car (unclear if he or they stole it or not, but seems likely they did).  Made the conscious choice to fail to stop for Police as the law requires you to do.  Ran out of driving talent.  Will not offend again.





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  # 2024443 29-May-2018 09:36
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Fred99:

 

Wellingtondave:

 

this is the best result from someone failing to stop for the Police

 

 

Two dead children is the best result?

 

What a thoroughly disgusting thing to say!

 

 

I advise you never read the Darwin Awards.  You would be thoroughly disgusted. 

 

I'd think a significant percentage of people would consider that this hardened criminal has done society a favour by taking himself out. It is tragic he killed someone else on the way though.

 

How would you feel if it were 2 young gang members in a fight and one killed the other?   Is that a good result?  

 

Maybe this boy would have gone on to commit murder and mayhem.  Maybe he would have turned his life around and become a good person. We'll never know.

 

Whether you like it or not, that's life. 

 

 

 

 


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  # 2024448 29-May-2018 09:43
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geoffwnz:

 

If you take the statement "two dead children" in isolation, sure.

 

 

Yep, you can twist circumstances by ignoring context. 

 

The real tragedy is that this persons life direction was probably set at the time of conception.

 

 


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  # 2024470 29-May-2018 09:55
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Good god some of the comments in these last few pages are utterly disgraceful. These are young people who's mental processes have not yet reached maturity. You have no idea of their backgrounds or the full circumstances. Some here need to seriously look at themselves.





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  # 2024544 29-May-2018 10:22
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MikeB4:

 

Good god some of the comments in these last few pages are utterly disgraceful. These are young people who's mental processes have not yet reached maturity. You have no idea of their backgrounds or the full circumstances. Some here need to seriously look at themselves.

 

 

You are out of touch if you cannot understand why people think like this. 

 

People extrapolate how this persons behaviour could have affected their own life.  eg, what if this criminal killed myself or one of my children?  Would you rather the criminal die, or one of my children or someone in my social group? 

 

That is how such views originate, I think. You can't blame people for wanting to protect their own. 

 

I see your point as well, but you are coming from a different direction. 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  # 2024549 29-May-2018 10:36
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MikeB4:

 

Good god some of the comments in these last few pages are utterly disgraceful. These are young people who's mental processes have not yet reached maturity. You have no idea of their backgrounds or the full circumstances. Some here need to seriously look at themselves.

 

 

Oddly enough, everyone on here can, in fact, look at themselves because our life choices at age 15 have failed to result in our deaths.
In what world is there a background or circumstance where stealing a car, failing to stop when requested and then crashing is acceptable behaviour?  Especially when one has already had these flaws pointed out with previous convictions.  So even if there was somehow an excuse for being a first time offender ("I didn't know"), this was a repeat offender.

 

I am not ever going to apologise for not having sympathy for this type of behaviour.  I cannot and will not ever attempt to excuse such behaviour.  These sorts of muppets (way too nice a term for what they really are) put innocent people at risk each and every day.  I have to share the road and environment with them.  No matter how good my driving skills are, getting taken out by this sort of behaviour is completely outside my control.

 

The disgraceful behaviour is that which was demonstrated by this 15 year old.  Willingly breaking laws and showing no remorse by going and doing the same things again expecting no consequences.  Unfortunately he found the ultimate consequence.





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  # 2024609 29-May-2018 12:04
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MikeB4:

Good god some of the comments in these last few pages are utterly disgraceful. These are young people who's mental processes have not yet reached maturity. You have no idea of their backgrounds or the full circumstances. Some here need to seriously look at themselves.



Mike, when you've had to cut a badly injured child from the back of their wrecked car and put them in a rescue helicopter while they scream for their parents, both of whom are lying dead in the seats in front of them as a result of a disqualified drunk driver crossing the centre line and colliding with the family car head on, you begin to look at criminals in another light.

I've been a firefighter for nearly 20 yeas and could recount crash after crash that I have attended where criminal action has resulted in the injury or loss of life by innocent parties.

The drunk in the first paragraph had been convicted of drunk driving multiple times, had been to prison for driving while disqualified, was, at the time of the crash, forbidden from driving, and was drunk when he killed two people. He then went on to assault an ambulance officer who was trying to treat his minor injuries.

It's situations like this that result in myself and others like me having no sympathy when criminals like the above eliminate themselves from the gene pool.

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  # 2027559 2-Jun-2018 17:56
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I guess this complete muppet won't be driving again any time soon:

 

Driver fleeing breath-testing checkpoint crashes into parked car 

 

Shame about the other car he crashed into.


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  # 2029928 5-Jun-2018 17:29
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What absolute and dangerous muppets.

 

"A pair of motorcyclists hit speeds of more than 300kmh as they tore through Upper Hutt.

 

Two Japanese 1000cc sports bikes were spotted about midday on Saturday on State Highway 2 south of the Rimutaka Hill where they were clocked at 247kmh, police said.

 

As they sped off, they reached speeds of more than 300kmh  posing "unimaginable" risks to  themselves and other road users, Wellington road policing senior sergeant Thomas McIntyre said.

 

"At 247kmh, the riders would have been travelling at just under 70 metres per second — had they crashed they would have killed themselves and possibly other road users." 

 

Police have appealed for information to find the motorcyclists."

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/104476186/300kmh-reached-as-motorcyclists-blast-through-upper-hutt





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  # 2030005 5-Jun-2018 18:47
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Not upper hutt but to give you an idea what those bikers did. Clearly warrants a dangerous driving charge.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=249&v=bzc7sQpOL60

 


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  # 2030478 6-Jun-2018 08:41
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I've seen the mess left after a car collected the concrete end of a bridge at 260kmh.  Debris for well over 100m, engine torn clean out, drivers seat with belt still done up torn, floor and all, out of the bottom of the car.  The remains of the car submerged in a river.
How the three passengers survived I will never know.

 

I'm nervous enough taking my rally car up to 180kmh on a closed rally stage.  I really don't know if I've got the reactions to cope with another 100kmh on top.  It's all fine if things go according to plan, but if something pops out of a side road based on an expected speed of up to 100kmh, things are going to go very badly pear (juice) shaped before anyone can even blink.





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  # 2030558 6-Jun-2018 10:04
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To paraphrase what could be the thoughts of those who expressed pleasure in the deaths of the two children in the previous topic discussed above:

 

"It's a shame these motorcyclists didn't crash and die - that would have been the 'best result' ".

 

 


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  # 2030560 6-Jun-2018 10:08
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Fred99:

 

To paraphrase what could be the thoughts of those who expressed pleasure in the deaths of the two children in the previous topic discussed above:

 

"It's a shame these motorcyclists didn't crash and die - that would have been the 'best result' ".

 

 

That's a bit of a leap between "no sympathy for someone taking themselves out of the gene pool by stupidity" and "wishing someone dead".
I also don't recall anyone "expressing pleasure" about it.





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