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  Reply # 1010162 20-Mar-2014 21:06
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jonathan18:
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bakewells5856: if you want to see some really bad driving then maybe you should visit a 3rd world country


I spent 6 weeks in Cambodia last year.

It wasn't THAT much worse to be honest.


Perhaps it's a problem with lumping all "third world" countries together, as if they all share the same driving characteristics? My experience of being on the road in India during two different trips (one in the north; the other in the south) is that it's in another league to here. While I find many drivers bad in NZ, I don't have to frequently consider my mortality whenever I go on the open road! What is relatively rare here - eg treating the lane going the opposite direction as yet another lane for your own use, despite it having a steady flow of traffic going against you - is pretty much bog standard driving in India. Combine such driving "techniques" with many vehicles there lacking rudimentary "safety" features like seatbelts (and those that do often not being used), it's certainly the wild west of driving.

(I recall articles a few weeks back about the many new but cheap cars in India getting really low safety ratings - with the focus on the lowest possible price, even something we now see as standard like airbags are not present in these cars!)

I've been to Indonesia, Singapore and Thailand (quite a number of times) and thought the driving in those countries was bad. Then I went to Sri Lanka - Colombo drivers scared the living daylights out of me, and trust me, that's no easy feat! 

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  Reply # 1010176 20-Mar-2014 21:15
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sdav: Re the lane splitting thing - I just wish you would all choose the same lane to split!


hehehe .. know the feeling!  Unwritten rule seems to be between the outside 2 lanes ... but I see some muppets using the hard shoulder and even the very far right next to the barrier .. also keeping the speed below 15kph faster than moving traffic and not split when everyone is doing 50+ (but some people just don't give a toss and do what they want and then tarnish all motorcyclists).





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  Reply # 1010184 20-Mar-2014 21:25
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With so many muppets making up their own road rules - like lane splitting through stationary traffic, indicating right when you're going straight through a roundabout, etc - all I can say is: bring on self-drive cars.

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  Reply # 1010197 20-Mar-2014 21:38
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blakamin:  And don't get me started on people that turn into the wrong lane (turning left then end up in a right lane, etc)...


This too is one of my big bugbears! As per earlier comments on roundabouts, this is another area where it's actually safer not to always take up your right to go, with the assumption needing to be most other drivers are morons and don't know the rules - eg, when turning left into the left-hand lane on the inside corner of an intersection it's usually better to wait for those cars coming from the opposite side also turning into the same street, as more often than not they'll cut across into the left-hand lane.

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  Reply # 1010199 20-Mar-2014 21:39
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I've noticed when I go all the way around a roundabout (indicating correctly all the way and out) many drivers make the incorrect assumption that I intend to take the prior exit. They demonstrate this assumption by taking off into my path. It is somewhat predictable, which shows that many people do not consider this case.




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  Reply # 1010202 20-Mar-2014 21:42
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blakamin:  And don't get me started on people that turn into the wrong lane (turning left then end up in a right lane, etc)...


when turning left into the left-hand lane on the inside corner of an intersection it's usually better to wait for those cars coming from the opposite side also turning into the same street, as more often than not they'll cut across into the left-hand lane.

That was the "etc"... 
I'm lucky I now live in Oz and that rarely happens here because you'll get pulled over for it. 
Drives me nuts!

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  Reply # 1010204 20-Mar-2014 21:46
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gzt: I've noticed when I go all the way around a roundabout (indicating correctly all the way and out) many drivers make the incorrect assumption that I intend to take the prior exit. They demonstrate this assumption by taking off into my path. It is somewhat predictable, which shows that many people do not consider this case.


 All the way around? Are you lost? ;P

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  Reply # 1010210 20-Mar-2014 21:55
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blakamin:  And don't get me started on people that turn into the wrong lane (turning left then end up in a right lane, etc)...


Something else that annoys me here in Wellington and I am sure it will be multiplied by four in Auckland: wrong lane usage on motorway... Three lanes motorway into town, muppet driving on right lane at 80km/h then at last minute crosses three lanes to the take the exit on the left side - when said muppet should've been doing its crappy speed on the slow lane, getting ready to exit instead of blocking traffic.



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  Reply # 1010213 20-Mar-2014 21:58
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blakamin:  And don't get me started on people that turn into the wrong lane (turning left then end up in a right lane, etc)...


Something else that annoys me here in Wellington and I am sure it will be multiplied by four in Auckland: wrong lane usage on motorway... Three lanes motorway into town, muppet driving on right lane at 80km/h then at last minute crosses three lanes to the take the exit on the left side - when said muppet should've been doing its crappy speed on the slow lane, getting ready to exit instead of blocking traffic.

As in any exit from Aotea Quay to the tunnel and any exit from the tunnel to the interchange? ARGGHH.

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  Reply # 1010216 20-Mar-2014 22:00
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blakamin:
jonathan18:
blakamin:  And don't get me started on people that turn into the wrong lane (turning left then end up in a right lane, etc)...


when turning left into the left-hand lane on the inside corner of an intersection it's usually better to wait for those cars coming from the opposite side also turning into the same street, as more often than not they'll cut across into the left-hand lane.

That was the "etc"... 
I'm lucky I now live in Oz and that rarely happens here because you'll get pulled over for it. 
Drives me nuts!


Yep, that the police don't tolerate this sort of driving in Aus reinforces what I said earlier about part of the problem is that our cops are seemingly interested only in catching speeding drivers (or, in town, I guess red light-runners). If there were tougher licencing conditions, and better education and policing I imagine it wouldn't be so prevalent here either.

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  Reply # 1010239 20-Mar-2014 22:27
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blakamin: Nearly forgot... I asked a council why they made roundabouts so high that you can't see over them and was told you should only be looking to your right and not straight ahead!


Well this doesn't answer why flax at a roundabout in a couple of places near me is too high for me to see to my right. It's so stupid.

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  Reply # 1010247 20-Mar-2014 22:33
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So, Here is a little side story.

I was almost taken out today by 2 "Bros" in Wairau park. Obviously having a race. Heading onto the motorway. These cars look like they have not had a WOF in the last 4 years.
First car slams on the breaks and his buddy clips the side of him. When his buddy was slowing down and veered hard to the right if i had of been 4m closer that would have been it. Followed them down the motorway and they were faking pit maneuvers and doing excess of 120, Southbound.

Complete and utter idiots. 





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  Reply # 1010295 20-Mar-2014 23:13
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blakamin:
gzt: I've noticed when I go all the way around a roundabout (indicating correctly all the way and out) many drivers make the incorrect assumption that I intend to take the prior exit. They demonstrate this assumption by taking off into my path. It is somewhat predictable, which shows that many people do not consider this case.


 All the way around? Are you lost? ;P

Usually just the most sensible way to get to an entrance or parking spot on the other side of a street. Traffic, road layout, etc.

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  Reply # 1010298 20-Mar-2014 23:16
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blakamin: Nearly forgot... I asked a council why they made roundabouts so high that you can't see over them and was told you should only be looking to your right and not straight ahead!


Well this doesn't answer why flax at a roundabout in a couple of places near me is too high for me to see to my right. It's so stupid.


That is a crap answer from the council. 

You should always be looking ahead for potential hazards and some roundabouts are so fast it does help to see traffic on the other side. Just the fact that you are asking this question means that you find it troublesome  regardless of the councils response. 

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  Reply # 1010306 20-Mar-2014 23:34
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Ouranos: With so many muppets making up their own road rules - like lane splitting through stationary traffic, indicating right when you're going straight through a roundabout, etc - all I can say is: bring on self-drive cars.


Just to clarify ... "lane splitting through stationary traffic" is called "filtering", when cars are stationary on a road they are classed as parked and you are allowed to overtake parked cars, you could do it in a car if you fit through ;-)





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