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frankv
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  #2114111 25-Oct-2018 21:36
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Rip up the NI Main Trunk railway and replace it with a road. Grades will make it easier for trucks, so make all intercity trucks use only this road. Problem solved.

 

 


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  #2114133 25-Oct-2018 22:54
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Use prison slave labour and beneficiary's working for the dole to convert every single state highway into a 4+ lane highway :-P





 
 
 
 


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  #2114134 25-Oct-2018 22:58
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^^^ I don't think truckies would like a single lane road though.


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  #2114142 25-Oct-2018 23:11
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I can't see it being much cheaper doing 2 lanes vs 4, they saying they will future proof for 4 lanes which tells me they will still buy enough land and make bridges wide enough for 4 lanes to go under/over it. Just feels like they are wanting to do a half-arsed job, do 4 lanes now so the tax payer doesn't have extra cost down the line to upgrade it again.


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  #2114267 26-Oct-2018 09:51
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DarthKermit:

 

^^^ I don't think truckies would like a single lane road though.

 

 

If it has to be single-lane, then make it one-way (say) northwards. Then make lots of southbound passing lanes on SH1.

 

 


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  #2114271 26-Oct-2018 10:06
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DjShadow:

 

I can't see it being much cheaper doing 2 lanes vs 4, they saying they will future proof for 4 lanes which tells me they will still buy enough land and make bridges wide enough for 4 lanes to go under/over it. Just feels like they are wanting to do a half-arsed job, do 4 lanes now so the tax payer doesn't have extra cost down the line to upgrade it again.

 

 

If you read carefully there isn't actually a commitment to build yet.  There is a commitment to finalise the route and protect it.

 

To me protecting the route requires as a minimum that it will be designated under the RMA.  Designation means the govt can compulsorily acquire it later.





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  #2114274 26-Oct-2018 10:10
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As I understand it, the govt can use the Public Works act to compulsorily acquire nearly any piece of private land.


 
 
 
 


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  #2114292 26-Oct-2018 10:30
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Designating under the RMA also means that affected landowners can force the govt to buy the land off them under the Public Works Act, so as soon as they effect the designation they need to be prepared to dish out some cash


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  #2114296 26-Oct-2018 10:43
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nickb800:

 

Designating under the RMA also means that affected landowners can force the govt to buy the land off them under the Public Works Act, so as soon as they effect the designation they need to be prepared to dish out some cash

 

 

And they would be wise to do so, because by them time the govt acts on the designation the 'market value' of the neighbouring properties will have collapsed.





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  #2114297 26-Oct-2018 10:45
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DarthKermit:

 

As I understand it, the govt can use the Public Works act to compulsorily acquire nearly any piece of private land.

 

 

Sure but designation has protective powers such as preventing development that would make it harder to sue the land for its designated purpose.

 

I could be over-interpreting but when people say protect, I hear designate. 

 

I feel for the people living on or near the future route of that road.





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  #2114352 26-Oct-2018 11:15
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MikeAqua:

 

nickb800:

 

Designating under the RMA also means that affected landowners can force the govt to buy the land off them under the Public Works Act, so as soon as they effect the designation they need to be prepared to dish out some cash

 

 

And they would be wise to do so, because by them time the govt acts on the designation the 'market value' of the neighbouring properties will have collapsed.

 

 

 

 

Unless the way compulsory purchase valuation is done in New Zealand differs markedly from the UK, that would not necessarily be relevant. 

 

Under what is known as the "Pointe Gourde Rule" it is necessary to value the property on the basis of its open market value without any increase or decrease that could be attributed to the CPO scheme. Compensation should not include an increase in value that is entirely due to the scheme underlying the compulsory acquisition.

 

I would imagine there is a similar provision in NZ Compulsory Purchase law and valuation practice, but since I have never practiced as a valuer in NZ (I did in the UK) I can't be sure.






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  #2114779 27-Oct-2018 09:24
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DarthKermit:

 

I live in Palmerston North. The SH that I'd most like to see improved is the section of SH1 on the Desert Road.

Many, many other parts of SH1 both north and south of where I live have been realigned, widened and had passing lanes installed over the last 20+ years. However, the worst parts of the Desert Road remain. Anyone who drives over it will know what I mean: lots of dips, sharp corners, areas of road in deep shadow and few passing opportunities.

It would be great to see a commitment to start improving some of the worst sections of this road. I realise that it can't all be done at once as there is never enough money in the roading budget to do everything that's desired.

Anyway, that's my two cents worth. What sections of the NZ State Highway network would you like to see improved?

Can we please keep this discussion to state highways only?

 

SH35 around the East Cape. It's one-lane along a cliff-face in places as you head east to Te Kaha.

But more generally, drop the speed limit from 100kph to 85kph on any two-lane roads. It's a kiwi joke to see the 100 sign with a 45k sign visible 100m beyond it....and another....and another. There's no way you can do 100kph on most of the highways for more than 5 minutes.....It's a major waste of fuel / energy even trying to.





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  #2114796 27-Oct-2018 09:58
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I'm going to add another vote for SH2 over the Rimutakas. It's a ludicrously poor road for a trunk road.





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  #2114797 27-Oct-2018 09:59
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Linuxluver:

 

SH35 around the East Cape. It's one-lane along a cliff-face in places as you head east to Te Kaha.

But more generally, drop the speed limit from 100kph to 85kph on any two-lane roads. It's a kiwi joke to see the 100 sign with a 45k sign visible 100m beyond it....and another....and another. There's no way you can do 100kph on most of the highways for more than 5 minutes.....It's a major waste of fuel / energy even trying to.

 

 

I was half joking about making every SH 4+ lanes above, but for real every single kilometre of them should be suitable for travel at 100kph. Our State Highway system is a joke..





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  #2114816 27-Oct-2018 10:18
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Lias:

Linuxluver:


SH35 around the East Cape. It's one-lane along a cliff-face in places as you head east to Te Kaha.

But more generally, drop the speed limit from 100kph to 85kph on any two-lane roads. It's a kiwi joke to see the 100 sign with a 45k sign visible 100m beyond it....and another....and another. There's no way you can do 100kph on most of the highways for more than 5 minutes.....It's a major waste of fuel / energy even trying to.



I was half joking about making every SH 4+ lanes above, but for real every single kilometre of them should be suitable for travel at 100kph. Our State Highway system is a joke..



We live in a bumpy place with soft rock on top of a major subduction zone.

We do ok for 4.8M people.

It's a good thing we aren't the sze of Australia. Distances in NZ aren't really they far. There's nowhere in the North Island on the SH system I can't get to in 12 hours in my car...and it's electric.




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