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  #1097938 29-Jul-2014 15:29
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The Jazz CVT's are known for shuddering issues. Google it, you will find plenty of issues. Manual one would be fine. 

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  #1097939 29-Jul-2014 15:32
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KiwiNZ: I actually like the look of the new Jazz, it would be a car I would consider, and this is coming from someone people used to say the main aid I took with me to find a car was a measuring tape so I could find the biggest.
I used to buy Holden Commodores, Ford Falcons, full sized SUV's like Toyota Land Cruiser but my preference has shifted,  I really like small to medium hatch backs, cheap to buy, cheap to run, versatile, fun to drive.


In terms of space, the Jazz (even the last one) is definitely the one to beat (for small cars)... When we were in the market for a small car, our 'measuring stick' was the Mountain Buggy. I took that when I went for test drives - basically, it wasn't a goer if it couldn't fit that in its boot. This ruled out cars like the Mazda 2, Swift and Echo hatch (though the Echo sedan was enormous - apparently similar interior space to the Corolla hatch!).


The wheelchair is our measuring stick and the Jazz would certainly gobble the chair and some .




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  #1097949 29-Jul-2014 15:54
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I've got a 2009 1.5L Swift. The costs of maintenance depend how closely you stick to the service schedule. We stick to it (replace oil, filters, wipers, spark plugs, brake pads, hoses as per schudle) but haven't had to pay for anything else except tyres and panelbeating when we crashed it.

It's done 89,000kms. The last 25,000 km have been 2/3 around town at an everage 14.7 km/l = 7l per 100km - I just checked the trip computer. If we drive carefully we average 16.7 km/l = 6l per 100 km. It is 1.5L so we notice that for short trips it takes longer to get to peak efficiency than our 1.0l car which averaged 5.4l per 100km.

We also notice that the Jazz and the Swift attract a lot of retired people, but the Jazz much more than the Swift. The Swifts tend to give more for the price but they are, as people pointed out, less flexible in use with less space for people and luggage.

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  #1097969 29-Jul-2014 16:16
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lxsw20: The Jazz CVT's are known for shuddering issues. Google it, you will find plenty of issues. Manual one would be fine. 


might pay to quantify that a little more

the earlier jazz's were known to have the shuddering issue, the newer ones not so much, but as you will find with any CVT they can all end up shuddering, its just how you maintain it and service it that leads to it shuddering. you follow the service schedule and use the recommended fluid you should have issues.

i have an 2007 Jazz sport (1.5L vtec) and its very spacious and peppy. over the 25000km ive had it its averaging 6.4L/100km which i dont think is too bad. my wife is a lot heaver on the accelerator



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  #1098018 29-Jul-2014 17:17
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Ladies eh ;)




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  #1098038 29-Jul-2014 17:45
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lxsw20: The Jazz CVT's are known for shuddering issues. Google it, you will find plenty of issues. Manual one would be fine. 


might pay to quantify that a little more

the earlier jazz's were known to have the shuddering issue, the newer ones not so much, but as you will find with any CVT they can all end up shuddering, its just how you maintain it and service it that leads to it shuddering. you follow the service schedule and use the recommended fluid you should have issues.


The Honda dealer I bought our car from said the infamous CVT issue the first gen Jazz was known to suffer from was mitigated through reducing the timeframe for the gearboxes' maintenance schedule (don't remember what was involved in the work) - clearly the original time frames developed by Honda were wrong, based on what was still a technology that hadn't been used that widely. Given the response to this problem, Honda stayed away from the CVT for the NZ-new 2nd generation Jazzs*, but I understand the imports (Fits) did come with CVTs? The new model comes with a CVT, but they're supposedly vastly superior 'boxes, enough to possibly tempt me back.


Jase2985: i have an 2007 Jazz sport (1.5L vtec) and its very spacious and peppy. over the 25000km ive had it its averaging 6.4L/100km which i dont think is too bad. my wife is a lot heaver on the accelerator


We've the same model; I wish you could show my wife how to get those sort of numbers! She's proudly told me just now it's on 8.5, so def. an improvement on 10 and there may be hope yet...

* This may be grammatically correct but it really does look strange!



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  #1098057 29-Jul-2014 17:53
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Jazzes




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  #1098114 29-Jul-2014 19:22
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joker97: Jazzes


Doh! Brainfart moment...

gzt

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  #1098142 29-Jul-2014 19:44
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To partially answer your maintenance cost question you might like to call the dealer and get prices for a few common genuine parts for the model year: Suggest: Brakelight plastic, Headlight assembly, CV Boot, CV Joint, Air Filter. Not that you expect to replace all those things but it will give some feeling for random things that might crop up.

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  #1098155 29-Jul-2014 20:08
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Given that they're both Japanese and both in the 'super mini' class I would be very surprised if there were any significant difference in average operating costs. The fact that you're looking at used imports would be a bigger determining factor.

As others have pointed out the Jazz is more flexible for cargo. I considered the Swift myself but ended up going with the Kia Rio due to the Swift's tight 210l cargo space.



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  #1098156 29-Jul-2014 20:09
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I think I can answer that question. Toyota corolla < honda jazz = Suzuki swift




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  #1098162 29-Jul-2014 20:15
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alasta: Given that they're both Japanese and both in the 'super mini' class I would be very surprised if there were any significant difference in average operating costs. The fact that you're looking at used imports would be a bigger determining factor.

As others have pointed out the Jazz is more flexible for cargo. I considered the Swift myself but ended up going with the Kia Rio due to the Swift's tight 210l cargo space.


Kia Rio another excellent alternative. These vehicles offer great value for money and good level of equipment.




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  #1098276 29-Jul-2014 23:50
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alasta: Given that they're both Japanese and both in the 'super mini' class I would be very surprised if there were any significant difference in average operating costs. The fact that you're looking at used imports would be a bigger determining factor.

As others have pointed out the Jazz is more flexible for cargo. I considered the Swift myself but ended up going with the Kia Rio due to the Swift's tight 210l cargo space.


Kia Rio another excellent alternative. These vehicles offer great value for money and good level of equipment.


One problem is that they are not Japanese. They are Korean, Nothing against them. Just known to be good up until 50,000 kms. Then you wish you had a Jap.
There is a sales man down Barry's Point Road that sells Hyosung motorbikes, I swear he is so sold on the Koreans and their machinery he thinks he is one himself. 



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  #1098280 29-Jul-2014 23:55
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Kia since 2010 is fine. before that probably not. they give a 5 year warranty anyhow.

u must be thinking of daewoo. that statement would be 100% correct




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  #1098281 29-Jul-2014 23:58
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If u had driven the sorento R you would not want to get into japanese car ever again.




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