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  Reply # 1125467 10-Sep-2014 06:22
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Learn to do your own repairs. Most stuff isn't that hard and there is plenty of info on the net.

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  Reply # 1125558 10-Sep-2014 08:52
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Mattmannz: Learn to do your own repairs. Most stuff isn't that hard and there is plenty of info on the net.

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Exactly, and despite comments to the contrary BMW parts are cheap. As long as you aren't stupid enough to try to get them from BMW or so called cheap places like repco that is.

As for them going wrong all the time... think about this, they are light years ahead of the same year Jap car so for any equivalent year car they have far more stuff in them to go wrong.

You really can't compare  someone's 2001 E46 with autodimming  photocromatic  mirrors and automatic wipers and heated seats and TV and stability control and flat tyre monitor and sat nav etc etc  to a 2001 Corona 

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  Reply # 1125569 10-Sep-2014 09:09
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Them being light years ahead is still fine.
I have seen the trusty toyota's with huge flaws over the years, Take the alte model corrolas. Some of their heater panels completely die and you can turn the heater off.





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  Reply # 1125619 10-Sep-2014 10:40
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TimA: Them being light years ahead is still fine.
I have seen the trusty toyota's with huge flaws over the years, Take the alte model corrolas. Some of their heater panels completely die and you can turn the heater off.


A friend of mine just had this issue.  The new control panels for some of the Toyota models affected cost A LOT of money too.  I think in the end, rather than fixing the electronics to turn the heater on and off he installed a valve in the engine bay instead.  It's not like you need heat in summer anyway!

This thread has inspired me to consider European cars.  Ever since my childhood I've been brought up to believe they are nothing but trouble.  I think it's more the British than the German made cars.  I know people who love their Audi and those who have spent 10's of thousands just trying to get their one working properly.

I was looking at this car here.  It's a BMW 745i with a 4.4L V8 engine.  10L per 100KM in terms of consumption, which according to the auction is good for that engine.  It's a 2001, but it looks like sex!  Luxury for Africa.  It's like the ultimate road trip car.  14K seems like a small price to pay for all the creature comforts...But will it last.  I feel like I might be buying my way in to a car designed for the mega rich...Not some guy earning 55K a year.

Technically my budget is 10K.  But if I knew I was buying in to a reliable car made from quality products by a car manufacturer that knows what they are doing...I'd be will to give it a go.





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  Reply # 1125626 10-Sep-2014 10:47
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DravidDavid,

My family have stuck to euros. I can honestly we have not had any issues, Dad currently has an Audi all road that he has thrashed for the last 5+ years. Not a single issue, Generally CV joints and boots plus a small oil leak but he has never had to pay over 1k for parts labor from an issue. Its safer and a lot nicer than some jap car and is decently efficient.
I have had 3 BMW's. Not a single with an electrical issue. Actually no issues for that matter. Just be careful of the JAYCO transmissions they put in the Jap imports. They get this terrible Jolt.

 

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  Reply # 1125631 10-Sep-2014 10:57
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TimA: DravidDavid,

My family have stuck to euros. I can honestly we have not had any issues, Dad currently has an Audi all road that he has thrashed for the last 5+ years. Not a single issue, Generally CV joints and boots plus a small oil leak but he has never had to pay over 1k for parts labor from an issue. Its safer and a lot nicer than some jap car and is decently efficient.
I have had 3 BMW's. Not a single with an electrical issue. Actually no issues for that matter. Just be careful of the JAYCO transmissions they put in the Jap imports. They get this terrible Jolt.

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Thanks Tim!

I'm seriously considering it.  Any comments on the example I listed in my previous comment?  How do I know it's a Japanese BMW vs a German one?  The auction says it's German built, but it's TradeMe and he can't speak English.

Is it the usual "Anything under 100,000KMs is going to last you another 100 with care" or is it a case of "Buy at 50 thousand, sell at 90 thousand to avoid the problems that come up at 95 thousand?"  I'm guessing it varies from model to model.  I'll have to do a little more Googling.  By the sounds of things, buying a Euro might be the better option.

I'd also spend more money if it meant the car I bought was a weekend driver and turned in to a classic that I could sell for a slight profit in a few years time.  I've been looking at the likes of American cars for cars that appreciate, but they have the same reputation as British cars for reliability!

EDIT: 5 minutes of Googling has already got me scared to the idea.  It's in the top 50 worst cars of all time and is known for so many problems, it looks too long to list.





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  Reply # 1125632 10-Sep-2014 11:08
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Get a M535I that will go up in price over time like the M635CSI.




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  Reply # 1125659 10-Sep-2014 11:53
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DravidDavid: 
I was looking at this car here.  It's a BMW 745i with a 4.4L V8 engine.  10L per 100KM in terms of consumption, which according to the auction is good for that engine.  It's a 2001, but it looks like sex!  Luxury for Africa.  It's like the ultimate road trip car.  14K seems like a small price to pay for all the creature comforts...But will it last.  I feel like I might be buying my way in to a car designed for the mega rich...Not some guy earning 55K a year.

Technically my budget is 10K.  But if I knew I was buying in to a reliable car made from quality products by a car manufacturer that knows what they are doing...I'd be will to give it a go.


Two things to consider David.

1) General servicing and faults. Even if nothing goes wrong you will need to allow 1k per year for servicing and general costs. The servicing on BMWs is based on the driving you do and if you don't keep up with the recommended servicing it will eventually cost you more. If you can allow $20 per week for servicing costs to just keep the car going then you are good. If something does go wrong, and in my experience issues with the first of the model run like this car issues do crop up once they are over 10 years old, will you be able to fix it or afford to get it fixed? Reg Wof and one basic service will be at least 1k.

2) Running costs and resale. 10L per 100k is pretty ambitious, if you are just doing open road then it's achievable but general round time will be far worse than that so expect 12.5 to 13.5 in my experience. If you can't keep the car in 100% perfect condition resale will go down. Also the larger models like the 7 series are worth less or harder to sell once they get older so if you only plan to keep it for a few years and then flick it off expect it to be worth a lot less.

Awesome cars though and awesome value if you consider that someone paid 200k for it 12 years ago.

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  Reply # 1125661 10-Sep-2014 11:56
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DravidDavid:Any comments on the example I listed in my previous comment?

For what it's worth here are my 2c.

Firstly, don't believe everything you read on the internet. Take it in yes, but typically only people with complaints make a noise. Every website talking about e32 750iL's will tell you not to buy one and how expensive they are to repair, but they are fantastic cars with great reliability records. Does that mean this one is ok? No it doesn't. Do your homework and get a well known mechanic to check it out first. Forget the AA and VTNZ, go to someone like Glenn at Botany Motor Worx or Guido at BM Workshop, or even a main dealer. Check out any previous history with the car. In my experience, genuine owners keep everything, if it has nothing, walk away.

Secondly, forget the whole 'its done 100k kms its going to die' rubbish. It's just a number. My 24 year old 535is is currently at 298k and it's still one of the smoothest cars I've ever driven.

Singapore cars have a bad reputation due to the humidity. Rubbers and plastics can fail, but they aren't all bad. Early 745i's were known to have a few issues but they were a massive step forward at their time. There is a saying I've always remembered with BMW's and that's if you are looking at the first of a new model, go for the last of the previous model. Seriously, the 2002/3's of the e39 were some of the best cars ever built and will cost you half that e65. Even a 2001 e38 will still be a great car if you want a 7 series.

This doesnt mean you should stick to NZ new, I know of plenty NZ new BMW's which are absolute dogs. Kiwi's love to buy expensive cars but don't like the expensive maintenance.

Don't stretch your budget. Either keep a little aside or buy a warranty. If something does go spectacularly wrong with one of these you will be spending big numbers to fix it. I keep 1k in a separate account for any work and if there is any left after 12 months I buy something to upgrade the car, wheels typically ;)

Economy. I've found dealers are exceedingly generous when it comes to l/100km. Drive that e65 around the Wellington hills, or in Auckland traffic for a few weeks and you wont be seeing 10l/100km ! My 750iL in the UK averaged around 19l/100km on mostly short trips around town, my e38 740i in Wellington was 17l/100km but down to 12 on the open road. My current e39 530i and e34 535is are at 9 and 12l/100km with 90% on the open road.

Don't let me put you off though, a BMW 7 series is a seriously good car and I miss my e38 every day and I sold it 7 years ago. Just make sure you buy the best one you can find !

Finally, I've seen decent e65's go for as little as $6-7k in the last couple of months. Yes, they've had more km's but IMO $14k is too much.



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1k a year is a little rich. I service each 6 months usually or <10,000KM. $300 each service. Comprehensive ceck, All wheels off, replace all fluids. ETC.
my 320I gets about 7L per 100KM on the motorway, Auckland to Whangarei is about 25L.
Your 2000+ models will probably hold their current value until the enxt gen of BMW's come out. So 10kish for a top end 3 and 20k for a top end 5 or 7, $9,999,999 for a bottom end X series.




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TimA: 1k a year is a little rich. I service each 6 months usually or <10,000KM. $300 each service. Comprehensive ceck, All wheels off, replace all fluids. ETC.
my 320I gets about 7L per 100KM on the motorway, Auckland to Whangarei is about 25L.
Your 2000+ models will probably hold their current value until the enxt gen of BMW's come out. So 10kish for a top end 3 and 20k for a top end 5 or 7, $9,999,999 for a bottom end X series.


1k per year will cover WOF, Reg, and a service. Servicing your 3 series is going to be cheaper than a 7 series. Comments above regarding mileage and issues on the newest model are on the money. I always buy the last of the model run, the price isn't much more and you know you have the facelift version with all the issues sorted.

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TimA: 1k a year is a little rich. I service each 6 months usually or <10,000KM. $300 each service. Comprehensive ceck, All wheels off, replace all fluids. ETC.
my 320I gets about 7L per 100KM on the motorway, Auckland to Whangarei is about 25L.
Your 2000+ models will probably hold their current value until the enxt gen of BMW's come out. So 10kish for a top end 3 and 20k for a top end 5 or 7, $9,999,999 for a bottom end X series.


1k per year will cover WOF, Reg, and a service. Servicing your 3 series is going to be cheaper than a 7 series. Comments above regarding mileage and issues on the newest model are on the money. I always buy the last of the model run, the price isn't much more and you know you have the facelift version with all the issues sorted.

Matt.


My pre facelift E46 has not run into any issues yet.
Next car would probably be a 330Ci at this point. That would have to be a 2004/2005 model with under 130kms.
540I maybe, just don't want to deal with the M62 and its oil leaks that cant be fixed.




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  Reply # 1125789 10-Sep-2014 14:50
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DravidDavid:

I was looking at this car here.  It's a BMW 745i with a 4.4L V8 engine.  10L per 100KM in terms of consumption, which according to the auction is good for that engine.  It's a 2001, but it looks like sex!  Luxury for Africa.  It's like the ultimate road trip car.  14K seems like a small price to pay for all the creature comforts...But will it last.  I feel like I might be buying my way in to a car designed for the mega rich...Not some guy earning 55K a year.

Technically my budget is 10K.  But if I knew I was buying in to a reliable car made from quality products by a car manufacturer that knows what they are doing...I'd be will to give it a go.


ewww... dem e65's are fugly

e38 is the sexy looker.

remember these old megacars may have dropped to $10-14k to buy but they will generally still have megacar running costs.

best have at least 4-5k tucked away in a contingency fund...

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DravidDavid:

I was looking at this car here.  It's a BMW 745i with a 4.4L V8 engine.  10L per 100KM in terms of consumption, which according to the auction is good for that engine.  It's a 2001, but it looks like sex!  Luxury for Africa.  It's like the ultimate road trip car.  14K seems like a small price to pay for all the creature comforts...But will it last.  I feel like I might be buying my way in to a car designed for the mega rich...Not some guy earning 55K a year.

Technically my budget is 10K.  But if I knew I was buying in to a reliable car made from quality products by a car manufacturer that knows what they are doing...I'd be will to give it a go.


ewww... dem e65's are fugly

e38 is the sexy looker.

remember these old megacars may have dropped to $10-14k to buy but they will generally still have megacar running costs.

best have at least 4-5k tucked away in a contingency fund...

wink


Very true.  On both points.  Now that you say it's a bit fugly, you're right.  But you have to understand, I'm accustomed to the interior of a 1997 Toyota Corolla...Looking at the inside of that, it's like the Hilton on wheels.

I know if I buy a car like this, I'll be in the deep end in terms of repair...It's definitely not a Toyota!  But it has to be worth it for the double glazing and absence of road and wind noise!





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  Reply # 1125916 10-Sep-2014 16:36
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e38 is the sexy looker.


QFT! :D

And mine has double glazing and all the fun stuff too..

I'm a bit sad the analog TV signal has been turned off tho... my TV doesn't work.

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