Speed limit when overtaking? Teach me please.

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#1161975 25-Oct-2014 13:03

Kyanar:
lxsw20: Agree that speed is just stupid but it's a charge of dangerous driving so disqualification for 6 months plus and a fine, very unlikely to be anything like a permanent loss of licence or jail.

Unfortunately it appears you're half right - there's no provision in law for a permanent suspension (well, there's a bit that could be interpreted as such...) but jail time is indeed an option.

Yep but like I said, extremely unlikely

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#1161986 25-Oct-2014 14:42

i cant believe the mentality of some people who think its perfectly ok to drive like a muppet and hold people up!
Switch it around a bit and imagine that you are walking on the footpath. the people walking infront are walking slower and when you go to walk around them, they stop you....how long before you would give them a serve and tell them to get out of the freakin way!!! its FECKIN rude to get in peoples way when walking but its magically ok to do it in a car????

If you cant drive at 100 on the open road then you obviously dont have the required skills to drive a car and therefore should have your licence revoked.

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#1162001 25-Oct-2014 15:06

floydie: i cant believe the mentality of some people who think its perfectly ok to drive like a muppet and hold people up!
Switch it around a bit and imagine that you are walking on the footpath. the people walking infront are walking slower and when you go to walk around them, they stop you....how long before you would give them a serve and tell them to get out of the freakin way!!! its FECKIN rude to get in peoples way when walking but its magically ok to do it in a car????

If you cant drive at 100 on the open road then you obviously dont have the required skills to drive a car and therefore should have your licence revoked.

100kmh is the maximum if conditions permit , it is not the minimum.

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#1162010 25-Oct-2014 15:21

floydie: i cant believe the mentality of some people who think its perfectly ok to drive like a muppet and hold people up!
Switch it around a bit and imagine that you are walking on the footpath. the people walking infront are walking slower and when you go to walk around them, they stop you....how long before you would give them a serve and tell them to get out of the freakin way!!! its FECKIN rude to get in peoples way when walking but its magically ok to do it in a car????

You would be surprised how often I, as a runner, get held up by slow walkers who simply refuse to let me past. On one occasion I even got abused when I overtook a couple of people dawdling along at snail's pace and trying to obstruct others on a narrow walking track. I don't understand the mentality, but it seems to be exactly the same whether in or out of a car.

If you cant drive at 100 on the open road then you obviously dont have the required skills to drive a car and therefore should have your licence revoked.

Some vehicles can't travel at 100km/h. There needs to be a sensible compromise here - faster traffic exercises patience and slower traffic pulls over when a queue forms. It doesn't need to be adversarial.

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#1162011 25-Oct-2014 15:22

alasta:
floydie: i cant believe the mentality of some people who think its perfectly ok to drive like a muppet and hold people up!
Switch it around a bit and imagine that you are walking on the footpath. the people walking infront are walking slower and when you go to walk around them, they stop you....how long before you would give them a serve and tell them to get out of the freakin way!!! its FECKIN rude to get in peoples way when walking but its magically ok to do it in a car????

You would be surprised how often I, as a runner, get held up by slow walkers who simply refuse to let me past. On one occasion I even got abused when I overtook a couple of people dawdling along at snail's pace and trying to obstruct others on a narrow walking track. I don't understand the mentality, but it seems to be exactly the same whether in or out of a car.

If you cant drive at 100 on the open road then you obviously dont have the required skills to drive a car and therefore should have your licence revoked.

Some vehicles can't travel at 100km/h. There needs to be a sensible compromise here - faster traffic exercises patience and slower traffic pulls over when a queue forms. It doesn't need to be adversarial.

And those not permitted to drive at 100kmh

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#1162018 25-Oct-2014 15:52

It seems if I start a 2 lane motorway 1 party I could get 5% to get into parliament. I'm not taking about building an autobahn, just two lanes per direction from kaitaia to bluff

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#1162021 25-Oct-2014 16:20

alasta:
floydie: i cant believe the mentality of some people who think its perfectly ok to drive like a muppet and hold people up!
Switch it around a bit and imagine that you are walking on the footpath. the people walking infront are walking slower and when you go to walk around them, they stop you....how long before you would give them a serve and tell them to get out of the freakin way!!! its FECKIN rude to get in peoples way when walking but its magically ok to do it in a car????

You would be surprised how often I, as a runner, get held up by slow walkers who simply refuse to let me past. On one occasion I even got abused when I overtook a couple of people dawdling along at snail's pace and trying to obstruct others on a narrow walking track. I don't understand the mentality, but it seems to be exactly the same whether in or out of a car.

If you cant drive at 100 on the open road then you obviously dont have the required skills to drive a car and therefore should have your licence revoked.

Some vehicles can't travel at 100km/h. There needs to be a sensible compromise here - faster traffic exercises patience and slower traffic pulls over when a queue forms. It doesn't need to be adversarial.

its become adverserial. because the police have discovered the revenue cash cow that is speeding, the traffic flow is not like it used to be. we used to be able to pass effectively on roads that were suitable...now any half decent stretch of road has a cop or camera on it making passing harder. therefore the slow pokes doing 70-90 have a much more detremental effect on traffic flow. I have zero tolerance for ignorant useless drivers who got thier licence from a weetbix packet.
I regularly drive a van with heavy trailer and i pull left/slow all the time to let traffic past. amazing how many toots of appreciation i get. It infuriates me how selfish these slow drivers are who think its thier god given right to hold everyone up...
i once was called out to a serious crash and enviromental crisis and some FWIT thought it was ok to dawdle along at 70 despite me having my headlights Hazards and roof top lights and horn going....if i had a grenade they would have got it through thier rear screen.

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#1162024 25-Oct-2014 16:26

the country is made up by all sords. you can't make everyone drive at 100 and pass exactly when safe. the laws are there to cater for the lowest common denominator. the only way is to move the the denomitor UP.

examples could be - ban all cars without ESP. make compulsory for all cars for on coming car radar, lane departure warning, fatigue warning, lock ignition with a drug detector, alcohol detector. give every learner a driving course and set the bar at Greg Murphy level. then no speed limits apply.

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#1162060 25-Oct-2014 17:46

joker97: the country is made up by all sords. you can't make everyone drive at 100 and pass exactly when safe. the laws are there to cater for the lowest common denominator. the only way is to move the the denomitor UP.

examples could be - ban all cars without ESP. make compulsory for all cars for on coming car radar, lane departure warning, fatigue warning, lock ignition with a drug detector, alcohol detector. give every learner a driving course and set the bar at Greg Murphy level. then no speed limits apply.

If we kept the speed limit as it is, and every new driver's test had to beat Murphy's track time, KiwiRail and Auckland Transport might start making a profit.

The fact people arn't capable of driving at 90-100KM/h around a corner in perfect conditions means they are a danger on the road in dangerous conditions. Everyone learns how to drive with mum and dad, then they drive like a nana on their restricted/full drivers license exam, then drive like lunatics when the instructor isn't watching. If there was a three stage exam such as theory, track/skid pan/metal road/car control lessons and then a traffic assessment, new drivers would be better equipped. If kids learning how to drive on their restricted push the limits on the open road and then slip past those limits in to someone else, everyone suffers.

Not that it will ever happen. The oldies will say it's encouraging a racing mentality and continue to push the multiple choice theory a monkey could memorise and insist supervised town driving is enough.

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#1162085 25-Oct-2014 18:15

You don't need to beat Greg's track time (he used to hold the Bathurst lap record for about a decade and a bit). The bar at a professional racing driver they know when it's safe to go fast. They not when it's not safe to go faster than x. They know they conditions that cause a car to lose control. They know how to respect other drivers. In fact they constantly look out for other drivers, where they are, what they're about to do. They know not to do stupid things. They make sure their car is in a good safe condition, not buy a turbo and cut the springs for example. They know you can't overtake on blind corners for example.

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#1162086 25-Oct-2014 18:18

I've seen farmers pulling out of roads, in their 90s ute, they look at you, they see you coming at open road speed, then what do they do? They pull out anyway.

Greg would never do that.

And what's with thinking the road would disappear being likely as blowing a tyre at 190

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#1162117 25-Oct-2014 19:13

I can't help but notice that the OP is yet to reply on this thread.

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#1162169 25-Oct-2014 21:43

"because the police have discovered the revenue cash cow that is speeding, the traffic flow is not like it used to be"

Speeding Fines do not go to the Police but to the Government Consolidated Fund which means Police don't get more money for giving more tickets.

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#1162177 25-Oct-2014 22:11

LennonNZ: "because the police have discovered the revenue cash cow that is speeding, the traffic flow is not like it used to be"

Speeding Fines do not go to the Police but to the Government Consolidated Fund which means Police don't get more money for giving more tickets.

Regardless, they have a quota. Even though they might not get more money, they are still out to get everyone until their quota has been filled.

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#1162189 25-Oct-2014 23:02

I deal with the passing lane speedup people by getting barely infront of them in the fast lane and then indicating to move back into the slow lane and moving back into the slow lane. They usually back off pretty quickly and sometime honk and flash their lights, but after that they seem to have no problems keeping up to 105ish, whereas before passing they were all over the place speedwise.

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