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  Reply # 1162191 25-Oct-2014 23:19
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Hobchild: I can't help but notice that the OP is yet to reply on this thread.


he's got the answer by the 1st reply. what more to say?

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  Reply # 1162204 26-Oct-2014 00:11
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joker97:
Hobchild: I can't help but notice that the OP is yet to reply on this thread.


he's got the answer by the 1st reply. what more to say?


I'd just like to know whether he got a ticket or not personally. If he didn't he can consider himself very lucky IMO.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1163493 28-Oct-2014 12:37
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Kyanar:  and no NZ road has the characteristics to get above 110Km/h.


I'd have to disagree with that.

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  Reply # 1163502 28-Oct-2014 12:46
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clevedon:
Kyanar:  and no NZ road has the characteristics to get above 110Km/h.


I'd have to disagree with that.


Even the AA disagrees with that.  http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/10508094/New-110kmh-speed-limit-in-pipeline 

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  Reply # 1163507 28-Oct-2014 12:55
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clevedon:
Kyanar:  and no NZ road has the characteristics to get above 110Km/h.


I'd have to disagree with that.

Indeed.

Your car, tyres, suspension and braking ability are much bigger factors.  In certain cars 180 on these roads is suicide.  In others, not so much.





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  Reply # 1163524 28-Oct-2014 13:04
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DravidDavid:
clevedon:
Kyanar:  and no NZ road has the characteristics to get above 110Km/h.


I'd have to disagree with that.

Indeed.

Your car, tyres, suspension and braking ability are much bigger factors.  In certain cars 180 on these roads is suicide.  In others, not so much.


I can't imagine a NZ road where 180 would be safe in a normal, street-legal road-going car. Maybe in a fully rollcaged, 5-point harnessed race car of some sort.

But that begs the question of what happens to the normal road-going car you run into. In any car, 180 on these roads is murder.



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  Reply # 1163539 28-Oct-2014 13:19
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frankv:
DravidDavid:
clevedon:
Kyanar:  and no NZ road has the characteristics to get above 110Km/h.


I'd have to disagree with that.

Indeed.

Your car, tyres, suspension and braking ability are much bigger factors.  In certain cars 180 on these roads is suicide.  In others, not so much.


I can't imagine a NZ road where 180 would be safe in a normal, street-legal road-going car. Maybe in a fully rollcaged, 5-point harnessed race car of some sort.

But that begs the question of what happens to the normal road-going car you run into. In any car, 180 on these roads is murder.


You won't find a roll cage in a supercharged Aerial Atom.  I'd say that was pretty capable.  You could do it safely with the control the vehicle affords you.  In grandma's 91 Corolla?  No.  Driver ability and whether or not you crash in to someone does not make the car less capable of traveling at speed safely.

I'd never travel at these speeds on any road, but plenty of people do.  The ones that crash are usually the small cars designed to putt around town.





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  Reply # 1163542 28-Oct-2014 13:24
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frankv:
DravidDavid:
clevedon:
Kyanar:  and no NZ road has the characteristics to get above 110Km/h.


I'd have to disagree with that.

Indeed.

Your car, tyres, suspension and braking ability are much bigger factors.  In certain cars 180 on these roads is suicide.  In others, not so much.


I can't imagine a NZ road where 180 would be safe in a normal, street-legal road-going car. Maybe in a fully rollcaged, 5-point harnessed race car of some sort.

But that begs the question of what happens to the normal road-going car you run into. In any car, 180 on these roads is murder.




The entire Wellington Motorway from the city to either Porirua or Upper Hutt would be fine at 180 in any decently new car or well maintained sports car

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  Reply # 1163543 28-Oct-2014 13:25
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Kyanar: no NZ road has the characteristics to get above 110Km/h.


Not quite true if you're talking just about the road surface (length, width, surface type, gradient etc), there are number of areas of roading in NZ which are suitable on paper for 120 -130km/h traffic, but at present there is no allowance for that under NZ speed regulations, and also, once driver competency, crash history, etc is taken into account, making it over 110 could be a bit risky. We need to get the idiots off the road first ;)

joker97: he must be exagerrating for many reasons

1) not many cars can get from 90 - 190 within the length of a truck.
2) not many cars are drivable above 140-160
3) he is still alive


1) it's not the length of a truck, though, it's the distance the truck covers in the time it takes you to pass.
2) Anything that's unstable below 160kmh in good conditions should be in the same boat as a moped and not allowed in high speed areas, imo.
3) I'm also surprised at this, 160 - 190 on public roads is ridiculous imo. 130+ is just asking for trouble, imo. I would like to see 110 limits in some places, though.








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  Reply # 1163549 28-Oct-2014 13:43
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Inphinity:
Kyanar: no NZ road has the characteristics to get above 110Km/h.


Not quite true if you're talking just about the road surface (length, width, surface type, gradient etc), there are number of areas of roading in NZ which are suitable on paper for 120 -130km/h traffic, but at present there is no allowance for that under NZ speed regulations, and also, once driver competency, crash history, etc is taken into account, making it over 110 could be a bit risky. We need to get the idiots off the road first ;)



The fact that someone felt the need to start this thread makes me despair of driver education in NZ.

This thread, and driving in NZ every day. Both of those things make me despair of driver education NZ.

Also that some policeman don't seem to know the road rules or just actively ignore them.

Many things make me despair of driver education in NZ.

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  Reply # 1163557 28-Oct-2014 13:53
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While I don't like getting a speeding ticket I am never disrespectful to police or bad mouth them for this - they are only doing their job and enforcing the law as it stands. The law itself (and a quota if there is one) rest squarely at central government level.  It seems very few people realise this though, it's easier to blame it on the police.  At the election how many parties campaign on increasing speed limits or building a motorway from Cape Reinga to Bluff?  If it's an issue why are people not lobbying their MP about this and making it an election issue?  I wonder if successive governments have also been happy to leave police as the punching bag for this.

I've been banned from driving until early 2015 for medical reasons.  Despite how badly you think you might have it being stuck behind someone at 80kph, wait and see how hard life is when you suddenly can't drive at all!  I think people forget that driving is not a right and it can be taken away from you, sometimes through no fault of your own.  Now I use public transport where the speed averages between 10 - 15kph, not including waiting and walking at either end.  So I can only dream to be stuck behind someone at 5 times the speed of public transport with a door to door service that's ready when I am :D

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  Reply # 1163619 28-Oct-2014 15:13
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DravidDavid:
frankv:
DravidDavid:
clevedon:
Kyanar:  and no NZ road has the characteristics to get above 110Km/h.


I'd have to disagree with that.

Indeed.

Your car, tyres, suspension and braking ability are much bigger factors.  In certain cars 180 on these roads is suicide.  In others, not so much.


I can't imagine a NZ road where 180 would be safe in a normal, street-legal road-going car. Maybe in a fully rollcaged, 5-point harnessed race car of some sort.

But that begs the question of what happens to the normal road-going car you run into. In any car, 180 on these roads is murder.


You won't find a roll cage in a supercharged Aerial Atom.  I'd say that was pretty capable.  You could do it safely with the control the vehicle affords you.  In grandma's 91 Corolla?  No.  Driver ability and whether or not you crash in to someone does not make the car less capable of traveling at speed safely.

I'd never travel at these speeds on any road, but plenty of people doThe ones that crash are usually the small cars designed to putt around town.


no the ones that crash (at high speed) are usually
- teens or very old (the old ones tend to be doing wrong things like driving on wrong lane on motorway, or ram into a shop or something)
- boy racer model cars (i've never heard of a nissan micra doing 180 and crashing)
- alcohol
- tourist on wrong side of the road

if it's true that many people do, then the above are the usual suspects that end up crashing

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lagbort:
frankv:
DravidDavid:
clevedon:
Kyanar:  and no NZ road has the characteristics to get above 110Km/h.


I'd have to disagree with that.

Indeed.

Your car, tyres, suspension and braking ability are much bigger factors.  In certain cars 180 on these roads is suicide.  In others, not so much.


I can't imagine a NZ road where 180 would be safe in a normal, street-legal road-going car. Maybe in a fully rollcaged, 5-point harnessed race car of some sort.

But that begs the question of what happens to the normal road-going car you run into. In any car, 180 on these roads is murder.




The entire Wellington Motorway from the city to either Porirua or Upper Hutt would be fine at 180 in any decently new car or well maintained sports car


until you lose concentration and rear end someone because you didn't realise them going at 80 means you'd catch their bum very fast

or the one going at 80 suddenly decides to come into your lane and not realising you were approaching them twice as fast

or until you do a Paul Walker's mate

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  Reply # 1163625 28-Oct-2014 15:17
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joker97:
lagbort:
frankv:
DravidDavid:
clevedon:
Kyanar:  and no NZ road has the characteristics to get above 110Km/h.


I'd have to disagree with that.

Indeed.

Your car, tyres, suspension and braking ability are much bigger factors.  In certain cars 180 on these roads is suicide.  In others, not so much.


I can't imagine a NZ road where 180 would be safe in a normal, street-legal road-going car. Maybe in a fully rollcaged, 5-point harnessed race car of some sort.

But that begs the question of what happens to the normal road-going car you run into. In any car, 180 on these roads is murder.




The entire Wellington Motorway from the city to either Porirua or Upper Hutt would be fine at 180 in any decently new car or well maintained sports car


until you lose concentration and rear end someone because you didn't realise them going at 80 means you'd catch their bum very fast

or the one going at 80 suddenly decides to come into your lane and not realising you were approaching them twice as fast

or until you do a Paul Walker's mate


I did mean of course without other traffic, or in traffic doing similar speeds. The road is perfectly capable of such speeds, current traffic is not

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  Reply # 1163627 28-Oct-2014 15:19
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Inphinity: 
1) it's not the length of a truck, though, it's the distance the truck covers in the time it takes you to pass.
2) Anything that's unstable below 160kmh in good conditions should be in the same boat as a moped and not allowed in high speed areas, imo.
3) I'm also surprised at this, 160 - 190 on public roads is ridiculous imo. 130+ is just asking for trouble, imo. I would like to see 110 limits in some places, though.


i'm going to be really generous and say it takes 10s to pass a truck. not many cars can get to 90-190 in 10s.

i'm thinking about the undrivable bit ... who knows i don't drive such cars anymore thankfully (i'm thinking of my cars when i was a student in AKL ... )

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