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  Reply # 1203090 24-Dec-2014 10:43
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majoco: It's too easy for the 'young' driver to buy a Sub WRX never mind pay for full insurance. The finance companies are only too eager to provide the funds knowing that they will still get paid when the car is totalled.  It's a long time since I had a bike licence - do they have a restriction on engine size up to a certain age? ISTR it was 250cc max up until you had held a licence for 5 years - you could get a bike licence at 16 yo - I had a BSA C15 - wowed the girls at school tho!  Perhaps it should be the same for cars. My first car was a Ford 100E Prefect - a whole 1200cc  and a magnificent 36bhp! But it was all I could afford - no bank loans in those days!

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My first was an ex-army Land Rover 88" "Air Portable". 2.25l 4 cyl petrol engine that would not pull the skin off a rice pudding!

It was a fabulous vehicle to learn in for a couple of years getting road experience after passing my test, because I knew I could not take any stupid risks in it - overtaking anything faster than a tractor had to be planned well in advance!

Much much later, I took my Institute of Advanced Motoring Advanced Driving Test (essentially the same as the UK police drivers test) which was well worth it.





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  Reply # 1203102 24-Dec-2014 11:14
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After reading through this thread, I thought up a great "demonstration" that I would love for all kiwi drivers to go through before they get their licenses...
(if only the practicalities of doing so could be overcome!)

In short, new driver and instructor/tester drive along a stretch of road/motorway at 100kph.  The instructor has a paintball marker with them...
Driver is instructed to perform an emergency stop as soon as the instructor starts firing.

Once the car has come to a complete stop, the instructor and driver can get out and walk back to the first paintball mark and visualise just how much space they need to stop :-)  (accounting for both their own personal reaction time and skill and their vehicle's braking capacity.)

I think that it would give a lot of new drivers a very good perspective!
:-)

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  Reply # 1203112 24-Dec-2014 11:32
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joker97: i read somewhere more than 50% who die are teens.

maybe the UK teens don't drive?



Mostly right .. most UK teens can't afford to drive!

Compulsary insurance! (which would be good to have here)  Means most teens can't afford to insure anything better than a 15 year old 1litre Ford Fiesta :-)


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  Reply # 1203113 24-Dec-2014 11:32
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joker97: i read somewhere more than 50% who die are teens.

maybe the UK teens don't drive?



They drive every bit as aggressively as youngster here, but the Third Party Insurance requirement makes it all but impossible for them to drive the Subaru Impreza type cars we see them in here.  I mentioned in the Camera Van thread a few days ago, that Jeremy Clarckson was once quoted £25,000 third party only for his Escort Cosworth. 

http://www.carpictures.com/vehicle/07I39032004255/Ford-Escort-Cosworth-Jeremy-Clarkson-1993

Vauxhall sold a lot of cars to young drivers, by offering a year's free insurance with Corsa sized new vehicles. 

I don't know why, but you don't tend to see hoons doing donuts over there either, and they don't have the same 'Loss of Traction' laws in the UK.  People certainly drive a lot faster there, but rarely tailgate you.  Heck, even the trucks do that here.  I couldn't believe how fast and close they went through that twisty bit of SW1 near Kaikoura when I first came to NZ.




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  Reply # 1203173 24-Dec-2014 13:23
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6FIEND: After reading through this thread, I thought up a great "demonstration" that I would love for all kiwi drivers to go through before they get their licenses...
(if only the practicalities of doing so could be overcome!)

In short, new driver and instructor/tester drive along a stretch of road/motorway at 100kph.  The instructor has a paintball marker with them...
Driver is instructed to perform an emergency stop as soon as the instructor starts firing.

Once the car has come to a complete stop, the instructor and driver can get out and walk back to the first paintball mark and visualise just how much space they need to stop :-)  (accounting for both their own personal reaction time and skill and their vehicle's braking capacity.)

I think that it would give a lot of new drivers a very good perspective!
:-)


35 metres or so? Compulsory insurance will do nothing, only push premiums higher. People drive with no licence, drunk and speed anyway. Compulsion won't change any of that. You cannot legislate against stupidity.

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  Reply # 1203199 24-Dec-2014 13:42
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mudguard: 

35 metres or so? Compulsory insurance will do nothing, only push premiums higher. People drive with no licence, drunk and speed anyway. Compulsion won't change any of that. You cannot legislate against stupidity.


yeah nothing will change despite our great debate. = more profit for youtube

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  Reply # 1203201 24-Dec-2014 13:50
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i you think this is dangerous I suggest you never attempt to drive in London Paris or Turkey thinking about it just avoid Europe altogether. :)




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  Reply # 1203226 24-Dec-2014 13:59
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agree ... but most of all ... RUSSIA - youtube russia + dash + cam => hours and hours of fun


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  Reply # 1203296 24-Dec-2014 15:54
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KiwiNZ:
joker97: i read somewhere more than 50% who die are teens.

maybe the UK teens don't drive?

also perhaps not so many cars on the B roads? (same as our A roads)
their motorway is the same as the Auckland motorways, but really, our state highway 1 is equivalent to their B roads, and maybe not many cars use them


That is why we need to drive better, leave the aggression for the sports field, slow down and take driving seriously. Too many think our roads are a play ground.

We also need to reduce the speed limit on many roads, for example the Rimutaka Hill road has a posted limit of 100 kmh to do that would be extreme stupidity but many drivers try.


In your example of the the Rimutaka Hill road, what would you, in your opinion, set the speed limit too? And from where to where (where would your limit start and end if driving Wellington to Wairarapa)?

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  Reply # 1203299 24-Dec-2014 16:02
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gnfb: i you think this is dangerous I suggest you never attempt to drive in London Paris or Turkey thinking about it just avoid Europe altogether. :)


I'm sure that I've read somewhere that France has a really shocking road toll per capita.




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  Reply # 1203342 24-Dec-2014 17:36
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6FIEND: After reading through this thread, I thought up a great "demonstration" that I would love for all kiwi drivers to go through before they get their licenses...
(if only the practicalities of doing so could be overcome!)

In short, new driver and instructor/tester drive along a stretch of road/motorway at 100kph.  The instructor has a paintball marker with them...
Driver is instructed to perform an emergency stop as soon as the instructor starts firing.

Once the car has come to a complete stop, the instructor and driver can get out and walk back to the first paintball mark and visualise just how much space they need to stop :-)  (accounting for both their own personal reaction time and skill and their vehicle's braking capacity.)

I think that it would give a lot of new drivers a very good perspective!
:-)

We had a thing bit like that.
Training was done after dark on closed track.
We were told to do 100kph while instructors placed a dark clothed dummy somewhere on the track.  
Goal was to stop before hitting the dummy, surprisingly difficult even though you expected to see it :)


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  Reply # 1203348 24-Dec-2014 17:58
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Hmm ... Testing the effectiveness of my cars electronic stability control ... Cool ... Can you wet the track please?

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  Reply # 1203350 24-Dec-2014 18:11
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My thoughts on the video are that "young & stupid" was speeding but he did appear to be using indicators so that's 1 up on many older drivers doing the same thing at slower speeds. Nothing he did appeared to cause any defensive reaction. I hate the lane hoppers that do it in slowing traffic forcing you to do more braking. The worst I've had was left lane just about to pass Tawa off ramp whe some clown cut in whilst braking to take the turn. Instinct had me hard on the brakes early. The OP appeared to be gaining on the cars in the lane beside him so was overtaking rather than just lane hogging. All talk of insurance is pointless tbere are people out there driving with no drivers or vehicle licence or wof.



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  Reply # 1203420 24-Dec-2014 21:52
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WyleECoyoteNZ:
KiwiNZ:
joker97: i read somewhere more than 50% who die are teens.

maybe the UK teens don't drive?

also perhaps not so many cars on the B roads? (same as our A roads)
their motorway is the same as the Auckland motorways, but really, our state highway 1 is equivalent to their B roads, and maybe not many cars use them


That is why we need to drive better, leave the aggression for the sports field, slow down and take driving seriously. Too many think our roads are a play ground.

We also need to reduce the speed limit on many roads, for example the Rimutaka Hill road has a posted limit of 100 kmh to do that would be extreme stupidity but many drivers try.


In your example of the the Rimutaka Hill road, what would you, in your opinion, set the speed limit too? And from where to where (where would your limit start and end if driving Wellington to Wairarapa)?


60kmh starting from the start both sides to the end both sides. Same as the speed limit through Greys Road Puatahanui.




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  Reply # 1203461 24-Dec-2014 22:31
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WyleECoyoteNZ: While it looks reckless, I wouldn't call it 'incredibly dangerous driving'. 

It looks dangerous to me. The idiot driver has no idea of the competence or confidence levels of those around him nor how they will react.

KiwiNZ: There is a queue at the terrace almost permanently during the day until quite late in the evening. If you can't see the queue its a worry if you drive

This is not correct. I drive through there a number of times each working day. Unless something specific is happening the queue is only there at peak times.

KiwiNZ: Also one of my sons was in the Military Police and was based in Waiouru for a time, he attended quite a few horrific accidents, when he managed to talk about them made one sick to the stomach. He still has bad dreams about them.

Sounds like he needs counselling. Also sounds like he was in the wrong job. Is he still an MP?

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