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  # 1221395 24-Jan-2015 15:14
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amorpeth:
afe66: So drive at 95k/45k and you wont get a ticket.

Life is full of limits and rules.

No one here goes round saying things like..
      - drink driving limit should be +/- 5%
      - age of consent +/- 5%
      - price of product at counter is +/- 5%
      - top tax rate is+/- 5%
      - monogamy +/- 5% ( dear wife, sorry thought a only needed to be monogamous 95% of the time)


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The difference is that with speed, human error is involved. My point is that its near impossible to stay at an exact speed, and therefore there needs to be a tolerance. The other option is that we drive under the speed limit, however this will cause frustration among other drivers. Whether that is right or wrong, that is what will happen. Maybe we need to be re-educated that the limit is a target, and driving under it is acceptable.



I know it's also hard to stay under the drink drive limit, my friend can drink much more than me, how was I supposed to to know I was over the limit. So let me drink over the limit too.

Most deal with this by ensuring they are well under the limit rather than drinking up to it and then complaining everyone else was drinking too.


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  # 1221413 24-Jan-2015 15:53
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afe66:
amorpeth:
afe66: So drive at 95k/45k and you wont get a ticket.

Life is full of limits and rules.

No one here goes round saying things like..
      - drink driving limit should be +/- 5%
      - age of consent +/- 5%
      - price of product at counter is +/- 5%
      - top tax rate is+/- 5%
      - monogamy +/- 5% ( dear wife, sorry thought a only needed to be monogamous 95% of the time)


A.



The difference is that with speed, human error is involved. My point is that its near impossible to stay at an exact speed, and therefore there needs to be a tolerance. The other option is that we drive under the speed limit, however this will cause frustration among other drivers. Whether that is right or wrong, that is what will happen. Maybe we need to be re-educated that the limit is a target, and driving under it is acceptable.



I know it's also hard to stay under the drink drive limit, my friend can drink much more than me, how was I supposed to to know I was over the limit. So let me drink over the limit too.

Most deal with this by ensuring they are well under the limit rather than drinking up to it and then complaining everyone else was drinking too.


A.



It's very easy to stay under the alcohol limit, one or more drinks, don't drive




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  # 1221419 24-Jan-2015 16:09
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I'm still waiting for the Police PR Guru's to somehow glorify their summer zero tolerance campaign, I'm sure in their eyes it was very successful.

What they don't realise, all of the people who died on NZ roads over summer were too busy focusing on their speedo rather than looking at the road.

And to those who suggest changing speed limits, agree re slower limits on rural roads, often its not possible to do the posted 100 kmph limit due to the nature of the road, if you do attempt to drive at 100 kmph its often not safe.

On the other hand, quite easy to safely do at least 110/120 kmph on many expressway's/motorways so perhaps they should be looking at increasing motorway speed limits.

I recall reading that some states in Australia (I think Northern Territory was one) have increased their motorway speed limits to 130 kmph and there has been a reduction in road accidents. 
They are also trialling no speed limit on some stretches of road in central Australia. 


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  # 1221420 24-Jan-2015 16:15
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KiwiNZ: It is not that hard to work out that the message of the Adv is your speed affects others and that you should drive in a manner that allows you the ability to react and deal with the actions of others. No where is the adv asserting that the actions of others were correct or OK.


Blindly walking out in front of a car doing spot on the speed limit is going to affect others too! Timing (or fate, if that's your thing) can be the difference between a hit or a close shave.

And regardless, it's not just the speed you're doing that dictates how well you can cope with idiots walking out in front of you. You should be aware of what's going on at least 12 seconds ahead of where you are at any time. Not just directly in front, but also off to the side of the road. Can't always spot stupid, but you should be trying to. The ad should point out that it's the irresponsible (or unpredictable young) pedestrians you need to watch out for and not just make it look like the driver is wholly responsible.




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  # 1221429 24-Jan-2015 16:22
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followed a mufti car two days ago.

he was doing approx 104 average, and sometimes overshot to 109 for a few hundred metres (calculated from my estimated 6kph difference at all the signs telling me my speed). i'm hoping he didn't do high than that.

then at a town i guarantee, a car about 400m in front disappeared from our view when the cop was doing 104. didn't bother chasing. i told myself he was on a mission. 2 kms later he stopped at a spot to catch unwary cars. but he didn't try to hide himself. he was on a sand mount in broad daylight. good cop, bad cop!




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  # 1221430 24-Jan-2015 16:23
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KiwiNZ: It's very easy to stay under the alcohol limit, one or more drinks, don't drive


This is pretty much it. Regardless of the limit, pretty much any alcohol at all can affect reaction times etc.

Maybe I'm just getting old.




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  # 1221474 24-Jan-2015 17:15
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KiwiNZ: It's very easy to stay under the alcohol limit, one or more drinks, don't drive


This is pretty much it. Regardless of the limit, pretty much any alcohol at all can affect reaction times etc.

Maybe I'm just getting old.


I'm the same... If I have one beer, the Mrs drives, or we get a cab. I know I'm under the limit, but still not worth the risk. We've had the same drink-driving limit for ever. 0.05.

 
 
 
 


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  # 1221476 24-Jan-2015 17:19
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KiwiNZ: It is not that hard to work out that the message of the Adv is your speed affects others and that you should drive in a manner that allows you the ability to react and deal with the actions of others. No where is the adv asserting that the actions of others were correct or OK.


Blindly walking out in front of a car doing spot on the speed limit is going to affect others too! Timing (or fate, if that's your thing) can be the difference between a hit or a close shave.

And regardless, it's not just the speed you're doing that dictates how well you can cope with idiots walking out in front of you. You should be aware of what's going on at least 12 seconds ahead of where you are at any time. Not just directly in front, but also off to the side of the road. Can't always spot stupid, but you should be trying to. The ad should point out that it's the irresponsible (or unpredictable young) pedestrians you need to watch out for and not just make it look like the driver is wholly responsible.


I agree blindly walking out in front of a car doing spot on the speed limit is going to affect others too but that was not the message of the Adv, if they were to cover everything the Adv would be longer than the long version of the Crunchie Adv.

Maybe they should do a series highlighting stopping distances for cars, that its easier to move a cycle out of the way than it is to move a car and above all cars hurt and kill respect them.




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  # 1221609 24-Jan-2015 22:50
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A really big issue I have with speed limits is that you can't pass anything safely as 100kph is just ridiculous for this manoevre. How long would you be on the wrong side of the road passing a car or truck doing 90-95kph? 

OK, I know the absolutists will have an answer, like, just stay behind and don't pass at all, but the resulting frustration and long queues of vehicles would be diabolical. 

I make no apologies for wanting to spend as little time as possible on the wrong side of the road.

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I was following a cop going 95kph on the open road the other day. 

We crossed into a 300 metre 70kph zone (due to roadworks), and the cop just sails on through at 95kph, 25kph above the limit.  I dropped my speed to 70kph and it was very obvious the cop just went through at 95kph.   Do as I say, not as I do I guess. 

Speaking of road works, what about the times they put up the road work reduced speed signs but there are no visible road works. 

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  # 1221671 25-Jan-2015 07:29
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At the roadworks 30k signed zones he was going at 41 by my estimate, on three separate occasions




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  # 1221672 25-Jan-2015 07:39
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To assess the speed of a vehicle one would have to follow it for quite some distance. Hmmm




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  # 1221673 25-Jan-2015 08:27
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yup. all 50ks of it.




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  # 1221712 25-Jan-2015 09:21
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50kms 0f 30k speed restriction good grief




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  # 1222195 26-Jan-2015 05:14
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BigHammer:
KiwiNZ: It is not that hard to work out that the message of the Adv is your speed affects others and that you should drive in a manner that allows you the ability to react and deal with the actions of others. No where is the adv asserting that the actions of others were correct or OK.


Blindly walking out in front of a car doing spot on the speed limit is going to affect others too! Timing (or fate, if that's your thing) can be the difference between a hit or a close shave.

And regardless, it's not just the speed you're doing that dictates how well you can cope with idiots walking out in front of you. You should be aware of what's going on at least 12 seconds ahead of where you are at any time. Not just directly in front, but also off to the side of the road. Can't always spot stupid, but you should be trying to. The ad should point out that it's the irresponsible (or unpredictable young) pedestrians you need to watch out for and not just make it look like the driver is wholly responsible.

So it's the local conditions that should dictate speed.  In my motorcycling days it used to annoy me that some daft car drivers would toodle along well under the speed limit holding folk up, and then carry on at the same speed when they got to a restricted zone.  They were blind to hazards like parked cars that might shield a youngster about to run out from behind it, as an example.




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