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  Reply # 1222443 26-Jan-2015 14:57
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It's not simple ... when the open road speed limit was 80km/h, and the population was smaller and there was less heavy traffic, the road death toll was much much higher.

Car, roads, drink driving have all improved.






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  Reply # 1222451 26-Jan-2015 15:05
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MikeAqua: It's not simple ... when the open road speed limit was 80km/h, and the population was smaller and there was less heavy traffic, the road death toll was much much higher.

Car, roads, drink driving have all improved.




some of our roads could cope with 110kmh easily others are barely up to 70kmh. Also we generally have an ageing vehicle stock with the majority of the cars in poor condition. We also have quite bad driving ability, attitude and habits.




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  Reply # 1222458 26-Jan-2015 15:42
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KiwiNZ: Also we generally have an ageing vehicle stock with the majority of the cars in poor condition. We also have quite bad driving ability, attitude and habits.

 

 

I totally agree. Most people won't admit to it, but broadly speaking New Zealanders favour cost and convenience over safety and it shows.

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  Reply # 1222619 26-Jan-2015 18:05
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this is funny ... you are not allowed to know how whether you are over or under ... http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/65428810/obliging-officers-must-stop-breath-testing




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  Reply # 1222623 26-Jan-2015 18:11
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alasta:
KiwiNZ: Also we generally have an ageing vehicle stock with the majority of the cars in poor condition. We also have quite bad driving ability, attitude and habits.


I totally agree. Most people won't admit to it, but broadly speaking New Zealanders favour cost and convenience over safety and it shows.


People seem to view WOF checks as punishment and vehicle maintenence an unwanted expense




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  Reply # 1222634 26-Jan-2015 18:37
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KiwiNZ: Also we generally have an ageing vehicle stock with the majority of the cars in poor condition. We also have quite bad driving ability, attitude and habits.

Interest point with the change in the WOF period.  I know it is still six months after a certain age, but I strongly suspect that 'mate's cars' are allowed to pass with some potentially lethal faults in some areas. 

When I first came to NZ in 1999 I saw any number of vehicles that made me cringe.  I'm talking about tires so bald canvas was showing, and following a vehicle that had such bad suspension joints, it was neigh on crabbing up the road sideways.  The bald tire was in the middle of Oamaru and unmissable for anyone walking by.  The crabbing vehicle was also down South, but can't remember where.

On the plus side, all these vehicle faults would make make 300kph Subaru WRX affordable for those 17 year olds who have just passed their test. ;-)




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  Reply # 1222667 26-Jan-2015 19:09
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We should follow the UK police guidelines for tolerances which is the posted limit + 10% + 2mph i.e. 30+3+2=35, 80+8+2=90. If this is good enough for the UK with their same stance towards speeds then it is good enough for us. They still have discretion if you're doing something stupid or dangerous.

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  Reply # 1222669 26-Jan-2015 19:15
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I want to start an Autobahn party. will I get 5% votes?




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  Reply # 1222968 27-Jan-2015 08:50
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ajobbins: Most cars will purposely under read on the speedo anyway, so if you get a ticket for 54km/h, your speedo was likely showing around 56km/h at the time. In my car, I can read a 'true' speed via OBDII which matches very accurately with my GPS speed, but the car speedo shows exactly 2km/h less than the data I can pull from the computer. Generally tho, if you have put larger wheels on your car than your speedo is calibrated for, your true speed may be higher than indicated.

The issue do I have with such small tolerances, is that without watching the speedo constantly (and therefore taking more of your attention away from what is happening outside of the car), it is VERY easy to vary your speed by say 5km/h without noticing. Especially on a smooth road in a quiet car. In smaller/lower powered cars this may be harder, but if you drive anything with a bit of power, small speed increased as almost undetectable without watching the speedo.


I had the same thought to myself, if I got pinged for doing 54km/h, then was I actually going faster - perhaps closer to 60km/h
Who knows - its not like I keep a camera pointed at the speedo with GPS and satellite time, and then keep the data for 6 months "just in case I get a fine"

Agree on the small tolerances - watch speedo OR watch the road and it is easy to speed up 5-10-15km/h without even knowing it 

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$30 for doing 4km/hr over the speed limit in a 50km/hr zone (Gordon Road, Mosgiel) on the 3rd Jan just before noon.
I still haven't seen the speed camera :-)


How the hell did you manage that speed in Gordon Rd. I'm normally far too busy dodging mobility scooters and Mazda Demios looking for a park down there.

They have a real cheek putting a speed camera there considering this is the one place in country that the police have been  complaining about the slow driving. (Although it looks like the district commander might have shut that conversation down).



Suspect it would have either been just after the 50km/h starts at the Mosgiel Pool, after coming from the 100km/h and then 80km/h zone from Outram (I was getting Berries at the Berry Farm) OR in the area between the BP service station and when I turned off at Park Street. In between "The Warehouse" and BP there is no way you can get over 40km/h most days



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  Reply # 1223172 27-Jan-2015 12:36
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Everyone says that.  But if you drive anywhere else you see poor driving too.  I've been to Asia, Australia, the US and Europe, and seen shocking driving almost everywhere.

The only place I've been really impressed with traffic discipline is Western Europe.  But they struggle to drive on our roads when they come here as tourists.

I have to wonder if our 6 most important state highways  were of the same standard as European motorway's or American interstates, what our road toll stats would look like, and what attitudinal changes would result.

KiwiNZ: We also have quite bad driving ability, attitude and habits.




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  Reply # 1223290 27-Jan-2015 14:12
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I'm just frankly stunned at the number of drugged drivers still on our roads....

How many times do you read in the paper that the police have confirmed "Speed was a factor in the incident"...







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  Reply # 1223321 27-Jan-2015 14:42
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TLD:
Interest point with the change in the WOF period.  I know it is still six months after a certain age, but I strongly suspect that 'mate's cars' are allowed to pass with some potentially lethal faults in some areas. 


I know several mechanics that give people "a mates WOF".  No muffler, catalytic converter...etc, are all things that they over-look.

"Your exhaust is too loud, but I won't bother listening for a box." type deal.

They wouldn't put a car with bad tread/brakes/lights on the road though, that stuff needs to be done.  A missing catalytic converter isn't going to hurt anyone.





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TLD:
Interest point with the change in the WOF period.  I know it is still six months after a certain age, but I strongly suspect that 'mate's cars' are allowed to pass with some potentially lethal faults in some areas. 


I know several mechanics that give people "a mates WOF".  No muffler, catalytic converter...etc, are all things that they over-look.

"Your exhaust is too loud, but I won't bother listening for a box." type deal.

They wouldn't put a car with bad tread/brakes/lights on the road though, that stuff needs to be done.  A missing catalytic converter isn't going to hurt anyone.


Lack of Cat converter will hurt the environment and anyone following  them or walking past the running vehicle in a car park




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  Reply # 1223350 27-Jan-2015 15:03
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DravidDavid:
"Your exhaust is too loud, but I won't bother listening for a box." type deal.



A neighbour has a car with an exhaust you hear from a block away. 

I don't get how they get the WOF.  

It wasn't so much of a problem until recently when this guy starts working on his car each evening, revving it up and down, driving down the street and returning etc. 

Noise control say they don't do cars, police won't do anything (i emailed them and they did not reply).

I guess this guy just quietens the exhaust before getting each WOF. 

Basically we have noisy exhaust laws which cannot be enforced. 

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  Reply # 1223358 27-Jan-2015 15:14
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Or goes to corrupt mechanics like Draviddavid's mates. I wouldn't trust them to check anything properly.

One of the side benefits of catalytic converters has been a reduction in CO poisoning when vehicles are run in garages.

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