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  Reply # 1246371 25-Feb-2015 13:27
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surfisup1000:

Who was specifically being racist? 


The statistics. Just telling it like it is.




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  Reply # 1246386 25-Feb-2015 13:45
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While 5% of crashes being caused by foreign drivers is the national average, in Otago/Southland (where I grew up) this figure is closer to 95% (Can't find actual numbers right now).

Something drastically needs to be done, I went home recently and found myself almost too scared to get behind the wheel of a car. The number of drivers who don't understand how to drive on our roads be it the terrain / conditions / road rules is terrifying.

There have been several times down south where I have actually had to pull of the road and let other drivers get ahead of me. Or sit behind a truck or other slower vehicle going through the gorges because, hey at least then I'm not going to be the first car involved in a head on collision.


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1246396 25-Feb-2015 13:52
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BridgetC: While 5% of crashes being caused by foreign drivers is the national average, in Otago/Southland (where I grew up) this figure is closer to 95% (Can't find actual numbers right now).



Really?  I would love to see the source.  You are saying that just about every single crash that happens in southland is caused by a foreign driver....hmmm sounds a very tall claim.

Edit:  Found this from Mid 2014:  

 


New Zealand Transport Agency (NZTA) safety directions chief adviser Lisa Rossiter said its crash statistics for the past 10 years showed foreign drivers were involved in about 6 per cent of all fatal or injury crashes in New Zealand, and were at fault in about 2 per cent.

 

The tourist hot spots of Otago and the West Coast fared worst. A foreign driver was identified as a factor in 13 per cent of fatal crashes on the coast, and 5 per cent of fatal crashes in Otago from 2004 to 2013.




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  Reply # 1246470 25-Feb-2015 15:08
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I worked for years in rental cars in my 20's. 

My impression was that tourists are no more likely to crash than kiwis.  As people we are prone to confirmation bias - remembering the events that support our views.

The media debate is unhelpful, because it isn't informed by a meaningful measure e.g. an accident rate that takes into account km driven.  Even in the national stats we have, tourists are only at fault in 1/3 of the fatal accidents they are involved in - i.e. most of these accidents were caused by kiwi drivers.

The much publicised accidents are generally not explainable by the drivers being foreign - e.g. a tourist driver running a stop sign has caused 3 fatal accidents I know of.




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  Reply # 1246485 25-Feb-2015 15:40
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Another news story here, saying the govt is addressing it. So long as they're thinking about it that's fine. An interesting qutote.

The latest figures on crashes involving foreign drivers are from 2009-2013 show that nationally only 6 per cent of crashes involved an overseas driver.

 

However, the proportion varied enormously with the worst affected region - Westland - reporting more than one in three crashes (37 per cent) involved an overseas driver. In cities including Christchurch, Dunedin, Wellington, Auckland and Hamilton, only 3 to 5 per cent of crashes involved a foreign driver.




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  Reply # 1246488 25-Feb-2015 15:44
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MikeAqua: I worked for years in rental cars in my 20's. 

My impression was that tourists are no more likely to crash than kiwis.  As people we are prone to confirmation bias - remembering the events that support our views.

The media debate is unhelpful, because it isn't informed by a meaningful measure e.g. an accident rate that takes into account km driven.  Even in the national stats we have, tourists are only at fault in 1/3 of the fatal accidents they are involved in - i.e. most of these accidents were caused by kiwi drivers.

The much publicised accidents are generally not explainable by the drivers being foreign - e.g. a tourist driver running a stop sign has caused 3 fatal accidents I know of.


heré's my memory of who caused fatal crashes

- moeraki - chinese
- tunnel beach (dunedin) - local, killed koreans  
- canterbury - german
- auckland - american
- southland - german
- canterbury - taiwanese
- another 17 over the holiday period mostly locals, but they killed themselves rather than others




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  Reply # 1246489 25-Feb-2015 15:46
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BridgetC: While 5% of crashes being caused by foreign drivers is the national average, in Otago/Southland (where I grew up) this figure is closer to 95% (Can't find actual numbers right now).

Something drastically needs to be done, I went home recently and found myself almost too scared to get behind the wheel of a car. The number of drivers who don't understand how to drive on our roads be it the terrain / conditions / road rules is terrifying.

There have been several times down south where I have actually had to pull of the road and let other drivers get ahead of me. Or sit behind a truck or other slower vehicle going through the gorges because, hey at least then I'm not going to be the first car involved in a head on collision.



i share your sentiments, coz in Dunedin the population has suddenly doubled and we now have invincible people on foot, cars, 4wds and skateboards all over the road and sidewalks (which sometimes you have to drive over to get in and out of property and businesses) ....

not sure about your stats though ... 95% of crash caused by foreigners? hmm ...




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  Reply # 1246492 25-Feb-2015 15:51
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The main problem doesn't appear to be  that they don't know the rules. The problem seems to be that they are driving on the wrong side of the road, as they are used to driving on the other side of the road. This is very difficult to combat, as it is very difficult to switch to the other side, and remembering that you should be driving on that side of the road, when there aren't arrows on the road. Especially if you are coming out of an intersection, and going into the wrong lane. I have seen this happen first hand, nearly causing an accident. For every accident, there would be many near misses. You do now often see in tourist areas, a lot more directional arrows on the roads. Technology could solve this problem, if those rental cars were fitted with devices which warned you if you were on the wrong side of the road.

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  Reply # 1246493 25-Feb-2015 15:52
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I think the easiest thing is simply to impose a total ban on Johnny Foreigner. 

Don't let them come to our country and spoil it with their jibber jabber and poor driving. 

We don't need their foreign money. We have sheep and milk and we can make money enough for everyone from that. 

Also, I think we should hold John Key personally responsible for this epidemic of bad driving. 

Didn't get this kind of thing under Helen Clark. 





But in all honesty, driving is 90% reflex...if your reflex is to drive on the "wrong" side of the road (particularly after exiting a corner or whilst driving on a long and largely empty highway), then no amount of testing, examinations or recriminations is going to change that. 

I can't imagine how hard it must be to exit a corner or a T-junction and end up on the correct side of the road, if the county you're in drives on the other side of the road. 








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  Reply # 1246495 25-Feb-2015 15:56
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Handsomedan: I think the easiest thing is simply to impose a total ban on Johnny Foreigner. 

Don't let them come to our country and spoil it with their jibber jabber and poor driving. 

We don't need their foreign money. We have sheep and milk and we can make money enough for everyone from that. 

Also, I think we should hold John Key personally responsible for this epidemic of bad driving. 

Didn't get this kind of thing under Helen Clark. 





But in all honesty, driving is 90% reflex...if your reflex is to drive on the "wrong" side of the road (particularly after exiting a corner or whilst driving on a long and largely empty highway), then no amount of testing, examinations or recriminations is going to change that. 

I can't imagine how hard it must be to exit a corner or a T-junction and end up on the correct side of the road, if the county you're in drives on the other side of the road. 







More arrows and guides on the road may help. But maybe huge fines for driving on the wrong side of the road may help too, that would help with NZs economy.
I do think that people who are coming from countries who drive on the other side of the road, are really the ones who are targeted, but testing IMO is a bit of a waste of time. They need to spend a good few months on the road to get used to driving on the other side of the road.

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The stat we need is 'accidents caused per total KM driven' for foreign drivers and again for local drivers. Comparing those two would actually tell us who causes the most crashes, whereas none of the stats quoted so far do because they don't take into account variations in sample size. e.g 
Saying that the % of tourist-caused crashes in Otago is way above the national average means nothing unless we also know what % of drivers in Otago are tourists, or (even better) what % of the total road miles driven are by tourists.

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  Reply # 1246507 25-Feb-2015 16:10
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You wouldn't need too many accidents to make up 37% of the annual total for Westland, and I note again that this statistic is 'involved foreign drivers' not caused by foreign drivers.






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  Reply # 1246523 25-Feb-2015 16:19
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The percentages are not important. Each number represent many lives wrecked and lives lost. We need to find answers not only for these needless deaths but for all road deaths and injuries.




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  Reply # 1246553 25-Feb-2015 16:59
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A tip I was given and found useful when I was driving in a foreign country where they drive on the wrong side of the road;

The centre line of the road should always be outside your driving side window.

I found doing a 90 degree left hand turn at an intersection difficult as I subconsciously wanted to turn into the wrong lane. What i found helpful was on arriving to consciously work out the correct lane, point to it with my finger and then it seem to linger in my mind even after my mind wandered as it inevitably does when you wait at traffic lights or wait to make the turn




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  Reply # 1246598 25-Feb-2015 18:01
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i thunk people should blame their forefathers who created left and right hand drive.




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