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  Reply # 1382164 9-Sep-2015 07:34
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Geektastic: Fastest speed I ever attained in a car on a public road was the equivalent of 234kmh for about 40 minutes on and off en route home on a warm summer night in rural Cambridgeshire B roads, driving a Saab 93 Viggen I owned. Kept the car (loved it) for 6 months before realising I would either die, someone else would die or I would lose my licence if I kept it, so it went in px for a diesel Range Rover.

Picked up my new one over the weekend....

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Not bad.
Surprised a Saab could do that speed. They weigh 10 tonnes!!!!

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  Reply # 1382171 9-Sep-2015 07:54
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Geektastic: Fastest speed I ever attained in a car on a public road was the equivalent of 234kmh for about 40 minutes on and off en route home on a warm summer night in rural Cambridgeshire B roads, driving a Saab 93 Viggen I owned. Kept the car (loved it) for 6 months before realising I would either die, someone else would die or I would lose my licence if I kept it, so it went in px for a diesel Range Rover.

Picked up my new one over the weekend....

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Not bad.
Surprised a Saab could do that speed. They weigh 10 tonnes!!!!


The Viggen had a 2.3l turbo rated at 168kw and top speed of 250km/h with limiter




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MikeB4:
TimA:
Geektastic: Fastest speed I ever attained in a car on a public road was the equivalent of 234kmh for about 40 minutes on and off en route home on a warm summer night in rural Cambridgeshire B roads, driving a Saab 93 Viggen I owned. Kept the car (loved it) for 6 months before realising I would either die, someone else would die or I would lose my licence if I kept it, so it went in px for a diesel Range Rover.

Picked up my new one over the weekend....

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Not bad.
Surprised a Saab could do that speed. They weigh 10 tonnes!!!!


The Viggen had a 2.3l turbo rated at 168kw and top speed of 250km/h with limiter


Surprised it made it close to the limiter haha.
Cant beat a range rover.


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  Reply # 1382181 9-Sep-2015 08:23
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TimA:
MikeB4:
TimA:
Geektastic: Fastest speed I ever attained in a car on a public road was the equivalent of 234kmh for about 40 minutes on and off en route home on a warm summer night in rural Cambridgeshire B roads, driving a Saab 93 Viggen I owned. Kept the car (loved it) for 6 months before realising I would either die, someone else would die or I would lose my licence if I kept it, so it went in px for a diesel Range Rover.

Picked up my new one over the weekend....

Click to see full size


Not bad.
Surprised a Saab could do that speed. They weigh 10 tonnes!!!!


The Viggen had a 2.3l turbo rated at 168kw and top speed of 250km/h with limiter


Surprised it made it close to the limiter haha.
Cant beat a range rover.



It was actually faster from 40mph to 70 mph in 4th than a Ferrari Testarossa I read somewhere.

" The Saab 9-3 Viggen was developed jointly by Saab Automobile AB's Special Vehicles Operations team and the Oxfordshire, England-based TWR Group. Viggens were only made from 1999-2002 and were only available with a standard transmission, and limited colors (just blue in 1999, with silver and black added in 2000, other colors like red later). Basically, they started off with a standard 9-3, but put in a better engine from the 9-5, a larger turbo-charger, better computer, improved stiffer and lower suspension (springs, dampers, anti-roll bars and steering rack mounts), better 17" wheels, sportier and more aerodynamic trim (reducing aerodynamic drag by 8% to a 0.31 coefficient and reducing lift forces over the rear wheels by 60%), larger and grooved rotors, different spoiler, upgraded clutch assembly, larger diameter and stronger driveshafts and strengthened CV joints, improved seats, amongst other changes. The leather interior is also quite nice.

Less than 3000 Viggens total were made in 2000, with only about 800 total imported into the USA. My black 2000 4-door (well, they really call it "5-door") non-convertible is one of only 176 imported into the USA. I've heard of a couple 2-door blue 1999 Viggens in Vermont, but I've never seen one. The first Viggens in 1999 were already impressive at 225 horsepower (@ 5,500 RPM) and 252 lb-ft of torque available at just 2,500 RPM all the way to 4,500 RPM. The engine is 2.3-litre turbo-charged 4-cylinder with 4 valves per cylinder. Maximum torque is available for 30% of the usable power band. In 2000 (mine) this was bumped up to 230 HP and 258 lb-ft of torque. In 1999 it was already able to beat the Porsche 911 Carrera in both efficiency of producing HP and torque per liter of engine displacement. In 2000 those improvements over the Porsche were 15% (HP) and 52% (lb-ft).

The Viggens large oil and water-cooled turbocharger produces maximum boost pressure of 1.4 bar, or a full 20 psi. "

A UK company called Abbot Racing produced a 'Viggen Rescue Pack' which was a fairly expensive set of uprated front roll bars, bushings and so on to tame the truly brutal torque steer and a stiffer rear roll bar to improve cornering - mine had both fitted.





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  Reply # 1383248 9-Sep-2015 09:46
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Question is. how long did it take to pull up after getting that much weight to that sort of speed?!?



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hsvhel: Question is. how long did it take to pull up after getting that much weight to that sort of speed?!?


Well he did say 40 minutes :)

My car from 200+ stop ruthlessly fast.

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  Reply # 1383260 9-Sep-2015 10:21
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hsvhel: Question is. how long did it take to pull up after getting that much weight to that sort of speed?!?


In seconds if one uses a tree tongue-out

The Kerb weight is around 1,500KG not much more than a Corolla




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  Reply # 1383261 9-Sep-2015 10:22
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MikeB4:
hsvhel: Question is. how long did it take to pull up after getting that much weight to that sort of speed?!?


In seconds if one uses a tree tongue-out


Even Tane Mahuta wouldn't stop a Saab or Volvo

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  Reply # 1383263 9-Sep-2015 10:26
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TimA:
MikeB4:
hsvhel: Question is. how long did it take to pull up after getting that much weight to that sort of speed?!?


In seconds if one uses a tree tongue-out


Even Tane Mahuta wouldn't stop a Saab or Volvo


Especially the Volvo Robbie Franceivic used in the Wellington Street race with Mark Petch, that thing was unstoppable




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  Reply # 1383355 9-Sep-2015 12:18
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TimA:
6FIEND:
TimA:
Plus no insurance on track.


If you think that your insurance policy is covering you while you're exceeding the posted speed limit on public roads.........


I know it isnt. But who would have known what speed someone might do. ......



Reminds me story one guy told me in Virginia, US 20 years ago.
He got a ticket..few kms down the road... when police stopped him. He was not speeding just before that check point and wondered: "How? How on earth did they find out he was speeding?" The answer was simple: there were white marks on the road and Police helicopter just used chronometer to figure that out..... :)

It was and is still the case - someone may be watching over your shoulder without you knowing it:)

I alway say: behave, talk, walk, drive, speak and type as if the whole world is watching what you are doing right now,

If you OK with that - you'll be fine, mate....

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  Reply # 1383358 9-Sep-2015 12:28
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hsvhel: Question is. how long did it take to pull up after getting that much weight to that sort of speed?!?


Pretty quickly in fact. It had (not surprisingly) uprated brakes with grooved faces and so on. I recall demonstrating to a friend - he was almost hanging from his seatbelt the car stopped so fast.







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  Reply # 1383420 9-Sep-2015 13:35
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Geektastic: Fastest speed I ever attained in a car on a public road was the equivalent of 234kmh for about 40 minutes on and off en route home on a warm summer night in rural Cambridgeshire B roads, driving a Saab 93 Viggen I owned. Kept the car (loved it) for 6 months before realising I would either die, someone else would die or I would lose my licence if I kept it, so it went in px for a diesel Range Rover.

Picked up my new one over the weekend....

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Very nice. One hears a lot of tales that Landrovers have reliability problems, what has your real life experience been with these?




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  Reply # 1383494 9-Sep-2015 15:21
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MikeB4:
Geektastic: Fastest speed I ever attained in a car on a public road was the equivalent of 234kmh for about 40 minutes on and off en route home on a warm summer night in rural Cambridgeshire B roads, driving a Saab 93 Viggen I owned. Kept the car (loved it) for 6 months before realising I would either die, someone else would die or I would lose my licence if I kept it, so it went in px for a diesel Range Rover.

Picked up my new one over the weekend....

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Very nice. One hears a lot of tales that Landrovers have reliability problems, what has your real life experience been with these?


Well, first you have to recall that compared to, say, a Ford Escort, a Land Rover has many more moving parts, extra gear boxes, extra shafts, complex electronics (more than 20 separate computers in a Discovery 3 I believe) and are expected to be able to go to places 'normal vehicles' are not able to.

With all that complication comes, inevitably, more chance for failure.

This is far and away the most modern LR I have had. Next most modern was a Range Rover of the mid-90's era (the P-38A to give it a technical designation) with a 6 cylinder BMW turbo diesel. That had an ECU replacement, a heated seat replacement and that was it, in 3 years or so of ownership (apart from normal servicing etc).

My series III's all had a few leaks and so on but nothing terminal and parts are so cheap for them now that repairs were not an issue.

My 'original' 2 door Range Rover was fine. The 3.9 Rover V8 (with twin SU's) was a bit thirsty and probably not in the best of condition, but the car was cheap to buy and run apart from petrol which was a bit enthusiastic.

The main things with the modern ones are:

1) Buy a good one with FSH, ideally from a dealer
2) Use only LR recommended fluids NOT cheap alternatives from REPCO etc. The recommended fluids have additives to protect the myriad of seals in the engine system and the cheap ones do not
3) Swallow the Main Stealer repair bills: it will work out better in the long run
4) Accept that a 2.5 tonne car built to go anywhere with 7 people and a 3 tonne trailer will be heavy on brakes, bushes and so on and expect to replace them: it is not the car's fault!

Most common faults with Discovery 3 are

1) Front suspension control arm bushes
2) Front Anti Roll Bar bushes
3) Electric hand brake motor issues
4) Diesel engines commonly blow turbos later in life and also need costly belt changes at 10 years/100,000k (about $3,000 in a Stealer). Petrol V8 has chains, so no bill for that - just petrol instead!

Whilst I would never claim that they had peerless reliability, I do think that a lot of the horror stories stem from people who tried to save money on repairs and paid for their parsimony later down the line. QC improved a lot in the Ford era (Disco 3 onward) as did design budgets and so on.





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  Reply # 1383499 9-Sep-2015 15:38
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Geektastic:
MikeB4:
Geektastic: Fastest speed I ever attained in a car on a public road was the equivalent of 234kmh for about 40 minutes on and off en route home on a warm summer night in rural Cambridgeshire B roads, driving a Saab 93 Viggen I owned. Kept the car (loved it) for 6 months before realising I would either die, someone else would die or I would lose my licence if I kept it, so it went in px for a diesel Range Rover.

Picked up my new one over the weekend....

Click to see full size


Very nice. One hears a lot of tales that Landrovers have reliability problems, what has your real life experience been with these?


Well, first you have to recall that compared to, say, a Ford Escort, a Land Rover has many more moving parts, extra gear boxes, extra shafts, complex electronics (more than 20 separate computers in a Discovery 3 I believe) and are expected to be able to go to places 'normal vehicles' are not able to.

With all that complication comes, inevitably, more chance for failure.

This is far and away the most modern LR I have had. Next most modern was a Range Rover of the mid-90's era (the P-38A to give it a technical designation) with a 6 cylinder BMW turbo diesel. That had an ECU replacement, a heated seat replacement and that was it, in 3 years or so of ownership (apart from normal servicing etc).

My series III's all had a few leaks and so on but nothing terminal and parts are so cheap for them now that repairs were not an issue.

My 'original' 2 door Range Rover was fine. The 3.9 Rover V8 (with twin SU's) was a bit thirsty and probably not in the best of condition, but the car was cheap to buy and run apart from petrol which was a bit enthusiastic.

The main things with the modern ones are:

1) Buy a good one with FSH, ideally from a dealer
2) Use only LR recommended fluids NOT cheap alternatives from REPCO etc. The recommended fluids have additives to protect the myriad of seals in the engine system and the cheap ones do not
3) Swallow the Main Stealer repair bills: it will work out better in the long run
4) Accept that a 2.5 tonne car built to go anywhere with 7 people and a 3 tonne trailer will be heavy on brakes, bushes and so on and expect to replace them: it is not the car's fault!

Most common faults with Discovery 3 are

1) Front suspension control arm bushes
2) Front Anti Roll Bar bushes
3) Electric hand brake motor issues
4) Diesel engines commonly blow turbos later in life and also need costly belt changes at 10 years/100,000k (about $3,000 in a Stealer). Petrol V8 has chains, so no bill for that - just petrol instead!

Whilst I would never claim that they had peerless reliability, I do think that a lot of the horror stories stem from people who tried to save money on repairs and paid for their parsimony later down the line. QC improved a lot in the Ford era (Disco 3 onward) as did design budgets and so on.


I have always admired the LR but when ever I have purchased a 4WD I have gone Japanese, especially Toyota and Nissan. The Landrovers reliability reputation is nowhere near as horrific as Jeep though.




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  Reply # 1383502 9-Sep-2015 15:43
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Reliability should improve now that the Indians own them

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