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  Reply # 1381640 8-Sep-2015 10:48
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MikeAqua: So you can overtake on the left at a passing lane?  I've seen it done and always wondered.


Yes, they are 2 separate lanes. It gets English people over here visiting all worked up because over there they are not allowed to do that, and like most English people they think that their rules should apply to the entire world.




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  Reply # 1381644 8-Sep-2015 10:51
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MikeAqua: So you can overtake on the left at a passing lane?  I've seen it done and always wondered.


Yep, the person in the right hand lane is of course breaking the law, but you are not.





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  Reply # 1381645 8-Sep-2015 10:52
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MikeB4: Also the road from the Hutt Valley to Wellington has a cycle lane yet cyclists do not use it and I have often encountered groups of riders 2 and 3 abreast riding on the highway. If this law is enforced then the use of cycle lanes where provided should be compulsory.

I ride a lot and generally prefer to use cycle lanes where they're available, but I don't use the one on the south-bound side of SH2.  It's in terrible condition - my mountain bike has no problems but I worry about damaging the rims on my road bike.  It's poorly lit.  In many places it's not wide enough for two bikes going in different directions to pass each other (or a bike and a pedestrian, and there are a surprising number of pedestrians on that path at 7:30am).  Anything that falls off a car/trailer/truck on SH2 seems to end up there - in seven years of riding to work from Lower Hutt, I used to get a couple of punctures a month on the path, and only get one every couple of months riding on the road.

I'm pretty sure the whole length of that path is within Wellington City Council territory but my feeling is that they don't want to maintain it as used almost exclusively by Hutt City ratepayers.

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  Reply # 1381680 8-Sep-2015 11:34
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MikeB4: Also the road from the Hutt Valley to Wellington has a cycle lane yet cyclists do not use it and I have often encountered groups of riders 2 and 3 abreast riding on the highway. If this law is enforced then the use of cycle lanes where provided should be compulsory.

I ride a lot and generally prefer to use cycle lanes where they're available, but I don't use the one on the south-bound side of SH2.  It's in terrible condition - my mountain bike has no problems but I worry about damaging the rims on my road bike.  It's poorly lit.  In many places it's not wide enough for two bikes going in different directions to pass each other (or a bike and a pedestrian, and there are a surprising number of pedestrians on that path at 7:30am).  Anything that falls off a car/trailer/truck on SH2 seems to end up there - in seven years of riding to work from Lower Hutt, I used to get a couple of punctures a month on the path, and only get one every couple of months riding on the road.

I'm pretty sure the whole length of that path is within Wellington City Council territory but my feeling is that they don't want to maintain it as used almost exclusively by Hutt City ratepayers.


I think riders should be lobbying council to get it fixed. Is that section of the road etc Local Body responsibility or NZTA as it is part of SH2 ?




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  Reply # 1381722 8-Sep-2015 12:54
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MikeB4: 

I think riders should be lobbying council to get it fixed. Is that section of the road etc Local Body responsibility or NZTA as it is part of SH2 ?


There is an idea floating about to add a cycleway etc on the sea side of the train tracks when they do the petone to grenada link. whether it happens or not is a different story

edit: here is a survey about the Petone to Ngauranga cycleway from 2012 http://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/network/projects/ngauranga-to-petone-cycleway/docs/n2p-executive-summary-cycle-groups.pdf

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  Reply # 1381881 8-Sep-2015 16:45
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 mdooher: very simple. You may not pass moving traffic on the left unless you are in a separate lane.

so if you pass between two moving cars and any part of your bike is in the same lane as the car on your right, you are breaking the law.

The only rule about speed is that this stuff doesn't apply to stationary traffic



Not totally true. You may pass on the left of a vehicle in the same lane as you if it is indicating to turn right or if the traffic is stationary (as in a queue to traffic lights).

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  Reply # 1382122 8-Sep-2015 23:56
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mdooher:As for councils that put straight through cycle lanes on the left of a left turn lane... they should be locked up for shear stupidity.



Wait, councils DO this? Woah. Here, the bike lane always stretches out to the right of the left turning lane (meaning traffic at 70km/hr has to cross a bicycle lane).


Also means a cyclist has to cross that 70km/h traffic to go straight....

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  Reply # 1382124 9-Sep-2015 00:10
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I think a lot of people here aren't considering is that inconsiderate driver/cyclist has probably been on that commute for 20 minutes or so (or more).  That 5s of driving/riding that you judged, according to your viewpoint is only a tiny fraction of their journey.  They may drive/ride like that all of the time or they may have had a reason, or they may just be human and make mistakes.  Either way we all just need to give each other some space, it won't kill you but if you don't, it may.

In Stockholm the motorbikes split the lanes in moving traffic, tunnels when there are 4 lanes or 1 on the left and on the right (lanes are pretty narrow too).



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  Reply # 1382186 9-Sep-2015 08:41
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Sweet.  I no longer have to wait for slow-vertakers.

mdooher:
MikeAqua: So you can overtake on the left at a passing lane?  I've seen it done and always wondered.


Yep, the person in the right hand lane is of course breaking the law, but you are not.





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GJones: groynk, that is the most cogent answer to date...


In case others have to Google it, like me:

 

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adjective: cogent

 

     

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    (of an argument or case) clear, logical, and convincing.

     

     

     

     

     

 

 

 


Gjones, Thanks! :)

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  Reply # 1383546 9-Sep-2015 17:32
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mdooher:
Kyanar:
mdooher:As for councils that put straight through cycle lanes on the left of a left turn lane... they should be locked up for shear stupidity.



Wait, councils DO this? Woah. Here, the bike lane always stretches out to the right of the left turning lane (meaning traffic at 70km/hr has to cross a bicycle lane).


Yep, Dunedin City Council most certainly does


It's up there with the pedestrian crossings in Wellington that give cars and pedestrians the green light to be in the same place at the same time....!





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  Reply # 1386290 12-Sep-2015 17:07
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Only this AM I encountered a group of three cyclists riding two abreast across a bridge on a corner approaching an intersection in a 100km/h area.

Until cyclists start riding in a manner like other road users are required to do, keep left, give way, stop, etc etc etc motorist will have little empathy.

I know when I road a bike in Wellington, staying away from vehicular traffic was my main concern, a lot of cyclists now seem more intent on exerting some form of ownership on the road rather than riding with safety and courtesy in mind.

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  Reply # 1386310 12-Sep-2015 18:47
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dimsim: Only this AM I encountered a group of three cyclists riding two abreast across a bridge on a corner approaching an intersection in a 100km/h area.

Until cyclists start riding in a manner like other road users are required to do, keep left, give way, stop, etc etc etc motorist will have little empathy.

I know when I road a bike in Wellington, staying away from vehicular traffic was my main concern, a lot of cyclists now seem more intent on exerting some form of ownership on the road rather than riding with safety and courtesy in mind.



This sort of thing always comes up with anything to do with cycle safety.

They don't obey stop signs, think they own the road, they don't pay registration, they don't have licenses... etc.. etc..

And it is all irrelevant!

The point is how close should you be able to drive to a cyclist.

At the moment, you can skim someone's elbow with a car.

I defy anyone who has experienced anything like this to say that is OK.

I have had this several times and it is not OK.

I am pretty much a car driver at the moment.

But, I don't forget having a car trying to repeatedly (and intentionally) run my motorcycle over a cliff, a 4x2 thrown at me as I was bicycling along and many other similar instances.

When New Zealanders get into cars, they often turn into crazy people.





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  Reply # 1386320 12-Sep-2015 19:17
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Geektastic: It's up there with the pedestrian crossings in Wellington that give cars and pedestrians the green light to be in the same place at the same time....!

I noticed that when I was in Auckland CBD last week... but I don't recall seeing it in the past. Does anyone know whether this is a recent-ish change, or whether it's just a case of my memory failing me?

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  Reply # 1386380 12-Sep-2015 21:31
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dimsim: Only this AM I encountered a group of three cyclists riding two abreast across a bridge on a corner approaching an intersection in a 100km/h area.

Until cyclists start riding in a manner like other road users are required to do, keep left, give way, stop, etc etc etc motorist will have little empathy.

I know when I road a bike in Wellington, staying away from vehicular traffic was my main concern, a lot of cyclists now seem more intent on exerting some form of ownership on the road rather than riding with safety and courtesy in mind.


Just yesterday I saw a driver sending text messages while driving along a main road (in a school zone).

Until car drivers start driving in a matter that other road users are required to, obey the rules etc etc, everyone will have little empathy.

Motorists don't own the road, they need to obey the rules like everyone else.

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