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  Reply # 1379223 3-Sep-2015 15:47
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Here's my contribution... If cyclists want this, how about an exchange where they become identifiable and accountable for their actions?

That means
- Cycling license
- Registration for bikes so owners can be made responsible if riders can't be identified
- Number plates
- WOF

Etc.

What? That's unfair because of [reasons]? I thought that's what you'd say :-)

Cheers - N

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  Reply # 1379226 3-Sep-2015 15:49
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groynk: I thought 1.5m was already the rule.
Is it that there a difference between 'road code rule' and 'Law'?
Without further info, I interpret this as a reduction of the buffer for lower speed limit roads.

Could maybe 'enforce' it with some sort of lightweight clip-on pole sticking out with a flag or marker on the end? :P


OK I looked up the road code and see that it's not actually in there.
I must have seen it in other countries awareness campaigns often enough to think that it was actually in place in NZ!


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  Reply # 1379231 3-Sep-2015 15:56
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Talkiet: Here's my contribution... If cyclists want this, how about an exchange where they become identifiable and accountable for their actions?

That means
- Cycling license
- Registration for bikes so owners can be made responsible if riders can't be identified
- Number plates
- WOF

Etc.

What? That's unfair because of [reasons]? I thought that's what you'd say :-)

Cheers - N


"If cyclists want this..." 
Fight fight fight! :0

There are reasons not to do all those things, but I don't think it would be 'unfair'

You seem to be arguing against points that weren't put forward here.

Try riding a bike :)



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  Reply # 1379233 3-Sep-2015 15:58
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Although sometimes cyclists avoid the cycle lane and ride on the road.

The cycle panel concluded that separate cycle lanes offer significant safety advantages. So perhaps this should be addressed as well.

Reading the panel's report it seems cycle lanes often contain gravel and other debris, which are seen as dangerous.  I guess if you have a super duper road bike with those narrow tyres, it wouldn't take much.


frankv:
I think that we've been saving money for years by not widening roads and not creating cycle lanes at the risk of cyclists' safety. Now that cyclist safety is rightly put at the forefront, this work will get done.




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  Reply # 1379235 3-Sep-2015 15:59
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MikeAqua: Although sometimes cyclists avoid the cycle lane and ride on the road.

The cycle panel concluded that separate cycle lanes offer significant safety advantages. So perhaps this should be addressed as well.

Reading the panel's report it seems cycle lanes often contain gravel and other debris, which are seen as dangerous.  I guess if you have a super duper road bike with those narrow tyres, it wouldn't take much.


On a road bike, if you even look at the pavement funny while at an angle you end up on your arse.

you are attached to the ground with about 6cm square

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  Reply # 1379238 3-Sep-2015 16:01
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groynk:
Talkiet: Here's my contribution... If cyclists want this, how about an exchange where they become identifiable and accountable for their actions?

That means
- Cycling license
- Registration for bikes so owners can be made responsible if riders can't be identified
- Number plates
- WOF

Etc.

What? That's unfair because of [reasons]? I thought that's what you'd say :-)

Cheers - N


"If cyclists want this..." 
Fight fight fight! :0

There are reasons not to do all those things, but I don't think it would be 'unfair'

You seem to be arguing against points that weren't put forward here.

Try riding a bike :)


Why would I want to do that? It's really dangerous and uncomfortable in the rain or cold. Or wind. Or dark.

Cheers N

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  Reply # 1379240 3-Sep-2015 16:03
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Talkiet:
groynk:
Talkiet: Here's my contribution... If cyclists want this, how about an exchange where they become identifiable and accountable for their actions?

That means
- Cycling license
- Registration for bikes so owners can be made responsible if riders can't be identified
- Number plates
- WOF

Etc.

What? That's unfair because of [reasons]? I thought that's what you'd say :-)

Cheers - N


"If cyclists want this..." 
Fight fight fight! :0

There are reasons not to do all those things, but I don't think it would be 'unfair'

You seem to be arguing against points that weren't put forward here.

Try riding a bike :)


Why would I want to do that? It's really dangerous and uncomfortable in the rain or cold. Or wind. Or dark.

Cheers N


Perspective in this case.
Bonus: Exercise, stress relief.



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  Reply # 1379243 3-Sep-2015 16:06
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It would be helpful to make cyclists identifiable and seen to be accountable, but a bit of nightmare to implement.

Although think of the increase in red light camera revenue ...




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  Reply # 1379247 3-Sep-2015 16:11
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groynk:
Talkiet: [snip]
Why would I want to do that? It's really dangerous and uncomfortable in the rain or cold. Or wind. Or dark.

Cheers N


Perspective in this case.
Bonus: Exercise, stress relief.


Started it as a joke but now a serious reply...

I'm not prepared to gain the perspective of a cyclist because in my opinion it presents an unacceptably high risk to cycle in city traffic. I know there are many benefits but I don't want or need them personally.

My main road car is a ncie modern safe car with many many airbags and VDC/ABS/TLA whatever... I also race a car and when I do I take all suitable safety precautions... it's on a track, with a cage, fire suit, helmet, 5 pt harness etc.

Many people love cycling for many varied and valid reasons. I'm not one of those people and I get very frustrated by the idiot cyclists (not I am not saying all cyclists are idiots - I am saying cyclists that are idiots frustrate me) getting away with running red lights and changing lanes without indicating etc. If I ran red lights in a car I'd get a ticket because I am by law identifiable and traceable.

Cheers - N


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  Reply # 1379248 3-Sep-2015 16:12
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frankv:
wasabi2k: 

Particularly if there are cars parked on the side of the road - a 1m buffer would put you on the other side of the median.



So??? In this case the car driver would wait until there was a gap in the opposing traffic before overtaking the cycle. I don't see the difficulty. .




If a car driver did this they would be ticketed for impeding the flow of traffic, or inconsiderate driving. If a cyclist does it we are supposed to congratulate them for  having one less car on the road




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  Reply # 1379251 3-Sep-2015 16:14
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ajobbins: 1-1.5m will be challenging is some places, and may cause traffic to build up behind slower cyclists where cars don't have an opportunity to pass. Unless the cyclist is doing the speed of traffic, they should also always ride single file.  


I certainly agree with this.

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  Reply # 1379252 3-Sep-2015 16:17
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My real issue is not about the safety aspect of what is proposed. 

My issue is around the fact that cars are expected to share the road with smaller, lighter, harder to see, and MUCH SLOWER road users, whilst all of the onus is on the faster, bigger, heavier and more dangerous road users to act in a certain way. 

I agree that cyclists using the road should be bound by the road rules, or be allowed on footpaths. 

If a car is doing 15km/h in a 50km/h zone, the driver can be fined for driving too slowly and obstructing other road users. Does this apply to cyclists? Or Motor Scooter riders? Or Skateboarders? 

We need a shake-up, but I don't think this is the way. 




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  Reply # 1379253 3-Sep-2015 16:17
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wasabi2k:
MikeAqua: Although sometimes cyclists avoid the cycle lane and ride on the road.

The cycle panel concluded that separate cycle lanes offer significant safety advantages. So perhaps this should be addressed as well.

Reading the panel's report it seems cycle lanes often contain gravel and other debris, which are seen as dangerous.  I guess if you have a super duper road bike with those narrow tyres, it wouldn't take much.


On a road bike, if you even look at the pavement funny while at an angle you end up on your arse.

you are attached to the ground with about 6cm square


If your bike is so badly designed that it cannot be used on a standard cycle lane or road...then it should be removed from said road and pink stickered




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I am told by Europeans that their greatest nightmare is hitting a cyclist. The ramifications are indescribable. The laws there are heavily weighed towards cyclists. But so are their infrastructure, surely?

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