Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13
252 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 115


  Reply # 1400707 6-Oct-2015 08:58
One person supports this post
Send private message

shk292: Interesting question - it you're an affected VW owner and your dealer offers you the "fix" to this problem, that fixes NOx emissions possibly at the expense of economy and/or performance, do you take it?

Purely hypothetical because I don't own a VW (last one I owned was a '79 Scirocco) and I have no idea what the fix will entail


I wouldn't want the fix.  I'd want the performance.




Try my latest project, a Cisco type 5 enable secret password cracker written in javascript!



6672 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3425


  Reply # 1400708 6-Oct-2015 08:59
Send private message

MikeB4: The only "dirty" diesels I seem to encounter are Nissan, Isuzu, Mitsubishi and the entire Wellington region diesel bus stock.


Old VW, Mercedes diesels were just as bad, new Japanese diesels are just as good.
That for the stuff you can see (black smoke).
The invisible stuff being spewed out matters too.

3535 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 125

Trusted

  Reply # 1400719 6-Oct-2015 09:07
Send private message

pdath:
shk292: Interesting question - it you're an affected VW owner and your dealer offers you the "fix" to this problem, that fixes NOx emissions possibly at the expense of economy and/or performance, do you take it?

Purely hypothetical because I don't own a VW (last one I owned was a '79 Scirocco) and I have no idea what the fix will entail

I wouldn't want the fix.  I'd want the performance.

Exactly!  I have a 2011 VW Golf with 2.0 TDI engine that looks like it will be affected by this.

I have no intention of taking it in for a software tweak and will continue getting it serviced by an independent mechanic whom I know and trust.  VW are not getting their grubby hands on my ECU tongue-out





12594 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 5908

Trusted

  Reply # 1400722 6-Oct-2015 09:20
One person supports this post
Send private message

Fred99:
MikeB4: The only "dirty" diesels I seem to encounter are Nissan, Isuzu, Mitsubishi and the entire Wellington region diesel bus stock.


Old VW, Mercedes diesels were just as bad, new Japanese diesels are just as good.
That for the stuff you can see (black smoke).
The invisible stuff being spewed out matters too.


Yep aware of that, I have owned numerous diesel 4WD's.

I should add the majority on NZ roads its not the manufacturers fault but woeful maintenance by owners




Mike
Retired IT Manager. 
The views stated in my posts are my personal views and not that of any other organisation.

 

 It's our only home, lets clean it up then...

 

Take My Advice, Pull Down Your Pants And Slide On The Ice!

 

 


5791 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1727

Trusted

  Reply # 1400754 6-Oct-2015 09:54
One person supports this post
Send private message

grant_k:
pdath:
shk292: Interesting question - it you're an affected VW owner and your dealer offers you the "fix" to this problem, that fixes NOx emissions possibly at the expense of economy and/or performance, do you take it?

Purely hypothetical because I don't own a VW (last one I owned was a '79 Scirocco) and I have no idea what the fix will entail

I wouldn't want the fix.  I'd want the performance.

Exactly!  I have a 2011 VW Golf with 2.0 TDI engine that looks like it will be affected by this.

I have no intention of taking it in for a software tweak and will continue getting it serviced by an independent mechanic whom I know and trust.  VW are not getting their grubby hands on my ECU tongue-out


Speak with the guys at Unitronic. They can crank even more power out of your lovely clean diesel. Some of the figures for the 2.0TDI passats and tiguans are quite amazing.




Steam: Coil (Same photos as profile here)
Origin: Scranax
Currently playing on PC: Rust, Subnautica, CS:GO, AOE2 HD, BeamNG Drive, BF1.




6672 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3425


  Reply # 1400771 6-Oct-2015 10:27
Send private message

TimA:
pdath:
shk292: Interesting question - it you're an affected VW owner and your dealer offers you the "fix" to this problem, that fixes NOx emissions possibly at the expense of economy and/or performance, do you take it?

Purely hypothetical because I don't own a VW (last one I owned was a '79 Scirocco) and I have no idea what the fix will entail


I wouldn't want the fix.  I'd want the performance.


Speak with the guys at Unitronic. They can crank even more power out of your lovely clean diesel. Some of the figures for the 2.0TDI passats and tiguans are quite amazing.


I don't fancy the chance of that business being viable long-term.  It's already technically illegal, probably safe to assume that what VAG did may draw attention to it, and that serious efforts might be made to overcome practical difficulties enforcing the regulations. 

This already applies to cars imported new post 2007:
If a vehicle’s exhaust emissions equipment is modified or repaired, it will be a requirement that the repair enables the vehicle to continue to comply with the standard to which it was built. If there is doubt over whether the modification is appropriate, a vehicle may be required to undergo an emissions test to demonstrate compliance. This provision applies only to vehicles that are required to comply with a specific standard when they enter the New Zealand fleet, it does not apply to vehicles that are already part of the in-service fleet.  


Not sure how the "cheat" VW/Audi/Skodas already sold in NZ might be treated.  The recall/fix might be made compulsory.

3535 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 125

Trusted

  Reply # 1400787 6-Oct-2015 10:43
Send private message

Fred99:
TimA:
pdath:
shk292: Interesting question - it you're an affected VW owner and your dealer offers you the "fix" to this problem, that fixes NOx emissions possibly at the expense of economy and/or performance, do you take it?

Purely hypothetical because I don't own a VW (last one I owned was a '79 Scirocco) and I have no idea what the fix will entail


I wouldn't want the fix.  I'd want the performance.


Speak with the guys at Unitronic. They can crank even more power out of your lovely clean diesel. Some of the figures for the 2.0TDI passats and tiguans are quite amazing.


I don't fancy the chance of that business being viable long-term.  It's already technically illegal, probably safe to assume that what VAG did may draw attention to it, and that serious efforts might be made to overcome practical difficulties enforcing the regulations. 

This already applies to cars imported new post 2007:
If a vehicle’s exhaust emissions equipment is modified or repaired, it will be a requirement that the repair enables the vehicle to continue to comply with the standard to which it was built. If there is doubt over whether the modification is appropriate, a vehicle may be required to undergo an emissions test to demonstrate compliance. This provision applies only to vehicles that are required to comply with a specific standard when they enter the New Zealand fleet, it does not apply to vehicles that are already part of the in-service fleet.  


Not sure how the "cheat" VW/Audi/Skodas already sold in NZ might be treated.  The recall/fix might be made compulsory.

VW could only make it compulsory for vehicles which are still under warranty, which mine isn't.  I can't see the Guvmint passing any laws to make it compulsory for vehicle owners to take their vehicles in under the recall.  Given the pretty small number of vehicles involved, it will remain an optional service available for those owners who wish to take it up.

I still have a recall notice sitting on my desk about a wiring issue affecting my Hilux ute.  Given the very small mileage we do, it's unlikely to ever be a problem, so I haven't bothered.  The letter from VW will be put into a similar file and passed on to the next owner when we eventually sell the vehicle.  Recalls are fairly commonplace these days and the level of non-compliance must be huge.

Now before anyone says that our vehicle could be failed at the next WOF, I sincerely doubt that the Guvmint would put in place any such checking, given the large number of old bangers out there emitting massive volumes of pollution compared to our relatively clean diesel.  Even if they did, there are plenty of mechanics offering WOFs in out-of-the-way places around the country who wouldn't have the equipment or knowledge to test emissions from a 2011 vehicle.





2770 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 448


  Reply # 1400810 6-Oct-2015 10:51
Send private message

pdath:
shk292: Interesting question - it you're an affected VW owner and your dealer offers you the "fix" to this problem, that fixes NOx emissions possibly at the expense of economy and/or performance, do you take it?

Purely hypothetical because I don't own a VW (last one I owned was a '79 Scirocco) and I have no idea what the fix will entail


I wouldn't want the fix.  I'd want the performance.
Me neither.




Sony Xperia X running Sailfish
Jolla C
Nokia N1
Dell Inspiron 14z i5




6672 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3425


  Reply # 1400836 6-Oct-2015 11:04
Send private message

grant_k:
Fred99:
TimA:
pdath:
shk292: Interesting question - it you're an affected VW owner and your dealer offers you the "fix" to this problem, that fixes NOx emissions possibly at the expense of economy and/or performance, do you take it?

Purely hypothetical because I don't own a VW (last one I owned was a '79 Scirocco) and I have no idea what the fix will entail


I wouldn't want the fix.  I'd want the performance.


Speak with the guys at Unitronic. They can crank even more power out of your lovely clean diesel. Some of the figures for the 2.0TDI passats and tiguans are quite amazing.


I don't fancy the chance of that business being viable long-term.  It's already technically illegal, probably safe to assume that what VAG did may draw attention to it, and that serious efforts might be made to overcome practical difficulties enforcing the regulations. 

This already applies to cars imported new post 2007:
If a vehicle’s exhaust emissions equipment is modified or repaired, it will be a requirement that the repair enables the vehicle to continue to comply with the standard to which it was built. If there is doubt over whether the modification is appropriate, a vehicle may be required to undergo an emissions test to demonstrate compliance. This provision applies only to vehicles that are required to comply with a specific standard when they enter the New Zealand fleet, it does not apply to vehicles that are already part of the in-service fleet.  


Not sure how the "cheat" VW/Audi/Skodas already sold in NZ might be treated.  The recall/fix might be made compulsory.

VW could only make it compulsory for vehicles which are still under warranty, which mine isn't.  I can't see the Guvmint passing any laws to make it compulsory for vehicle owners to take their vehicles in under the recall.  Given the pretty small number of vehicles involved, it will remain an optional service available for those owners who wish to take it up.

I still have a recall notice sitting on my desk about a wiring issue affecting my Hilux ute.  Given the very small mileage we do, it's unlikely to ever be a problem, so I haven't bothered.  The letter from VW will be put into a similar file and passed on to the next owner when we eventually sell the vehicle.  Recalls are fairly commonplace these days and the level of non-compliance must be huge.

Now before anyone says that our vehicle could be failed at the next WOF, I sincerely doubt that the Guvmint would put in place any such checking, given the large number of old bangers out there emitting massive volumes of pollution compared to our relatively clean diesel.  Even if they did, there are plenty of mechanics offering WOFs in out-of-the-way places around the country who wouldn't have the equipment or knowledge to test emissions from a 2011 vehicle.


Under normal circumstances, I'd agree that government might turn a blind eye.  On this, I wouldn't be too confident.
As for WOF, there are already endorsements for some vehicle models requiring additional checks.  It would be very simple indeed for them to insist on proof that recall service had been carried out - no emission check needed.

You guys should lay off on the topic of "old bangers" in a motoring forum.  A likely casualty of the kind of nonsense being suggested would be that all classics, vintage vehicles, etc would be banned.  Gradual obsolescence and not enacting retrospective legislation does seem to work, and is fair and reasonable. 



3535 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 125

Trusted

  Reply # 1400853 6-Oct-2015 11:15
Send private message

Fred99: ...
Under normal circumstances, I'd agree that government might turn a blind eye.  On this, I wouldn't be too confident.
As for WOF, there are already endorsements for some vehicle models requiring additional checks.  It would be very simple indeed for them to insist on proof that recall service had been carried out - no emission check needed.

Well I guess we'll have to wait and see.  By the time they get around to doing anything I might not have the vehicle anyway.





2312 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1081

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 1400922 6-Oct-2015 11:57
One person supports this post
Send private message

Will be interesting to see how the long term reputation impact pans out. I've read stories of car dealers in the US moving their VW stock from the lot front to the rear. Will it blow over?



6672 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3425


  Reply # 1402876 9-Oct-2015 09:37
One person supports this post
Send private message



“This was a couple of software engineers who put this in for whatever reason,” Michael Horn, VW’s U.S. chief, told a House subcommittee hearing. “To my understanding, this was not a corporate decision. This was something individuals did.”

link






4086 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2283

Lifetime subscriber

  Reply # 1402904 9-Oct-2015 10:37
One person supports this post
Send private message

Fred99:


“This was a couple of software engineers who put this in for whatever reason,” Michael Horn, VW’s U.S. chief, told a House subcommittee hearing. “To my understanding, this was not a corporate decision. This was something individuals did.”

link











Sideface


12594 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 5908

Trusted

  Reply # 1402997 9-Oct-2015 12:40
Send private message

Time will tell




Mike
Retired IT Manager. 
The views stated in my posts are my personal views and not that of any other organisation.

 

 It's our only home, lets clean it up then...

 

Take My Advice, Pull Down Your Pants And Slide On The Ice!

 

 


Mad Scientist
18613 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2365

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  Reply # 1403066 9-Oct-2015 13:59
One person supports this post
Send private message




1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic

Twitter »

Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

Microsoft Dynamics 365 Business Central launches
Posted 10-Jul-2018 10:40


Spark completes first milestone in voice platform upgrade
Posted 10-Jul-2018 09:36


Microsoft ices heated developers
Posted 6-Jul-2018 20:16


PB Technologies charged for its extended warranties and warned for bait advertising
Posted 3-Jul-2018 15:45


Almost 20,000 people claim credits from Spark
Posted 29-Jun-2018 10:40


Cove sells NZ's first insurance policy via chatbot
Posted 25-Jun-2018 10:04


N4L helping TAKA Trust bridge the digital divide for Lower Hutt students
Posted 18-Jun-2018 13:08


Winners Announced for 2018 CIO Awards
Posted 18-Jun-2018 13:03


Logitech Rally sets new standard for USB-connected video conference cameras
Posted 18-Jun-2018 09:27


Russell Stanners steps down as Vodafone NZ CEO
Posted 12-Jun-2018 09:13


Intergen recognised as 2018 Microsoft Country Partner of the Year for New Zealand
Posted 12-Jun-2018 08:00


Finalists Announced For Microsoft NZ Partner Awards
Posted 6-Jun-2018 15:12


Vocus Group and Vodafone announce joint venture to accelerate fibre innovation
Posted 5-Jun-2018 10:52


Kogan.com to launch Kogan Mobile in New Zealand
Posted 4-Jun-2018 14:34


Enable doubles fibre broadband speeds for its most popular wholesale service in Christchurch
Posted 2-Jun-2018 20:07



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.