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  Reply # 1394562 25-Sep-2015 19:34
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All saved.  VW have announced a new iniative - clean steam.


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  Reply # 1394574 25-Sep-2015 19:58
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Fred99: All saved.  VW have announced a new iniative - clean steam.



Looks like a Ford or Dodge




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  Reply # 1394578 25-Sep-2015 20:04
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Technofreak:
Fred99: It's almost certain that "cycle-beating" is widespread as part of "playing the game" - but not using the "defeat device".


Does it matter how they "play the game" the end result is the same? They're telling porkies which ever way it's done. 


LOL everybody plays games dude ... ever heard of marketing?

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  Reply # 1394688 26-Sep-2015 07:37
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MikeB4:
Fred99: All saved.  VW have announced a new iniative - clean steam.



Looks like a Ford or Dodge


Unfair! We have both Ford & Dodge late model diesel pickups. With EGR,DOC,DPF,SCR.. Refilling them with DEF's a bit of a pain, and the auto regen thing's a bit freaky - but they've managed to continually raise horsepower & torque while decreasing emissions.

I'm stunned that VW have tarnished their reputation - and, in the US that of diesel cars in general, so badly - for a bit of extra market share/profit.

It IS possible to make clean & powerful diesels - just expensive.

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  Reply # 1394691 26-Sep-2015 07:49
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I thought US spit on diesels and prefers gas any day?

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  Reply # 1394698 26-Sep-2015 08:20
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joker97: I thought US spit on diesels and prefers gas any day?


The US spits on anything that is not US, look at their BS about Chinese IT  and they have never figured out that they cannot make decent motor vehicles period.




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  Reply # 1394701 26-Sep-2015 08:38
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I thought it was because gas is (?was) cheap over there

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  Reply # 1394718 26-Sep-2015 09:20
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In regards to diesel use please note

 

     

  1. In almost all countries diesel is at least 50% of transport fuel use regardless of uptake of diesel for consumer cars due to its use for trucks, trains, generators etc
  2. Use of biodiesel significantly reduces emissions particulate, carbon etc [I use biodiesel in my peugeot]

 






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  Reply # 1394723 26-Sep-2015 09:29
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joker97: I thought US spit on diesels and prefers gas any day?


The US spits on anything that is not US, look at their BS about Chinese IT  and they have never figured out that they cannot make decent motor vehicles period.


That impression might not be straight forward or correct.  I wouldn't mind a Dodge Challenger R/T Hellcat or Tesla S P90D. I doubt "bang for buck" anything exceeds the former and the latter is in a class of it's own.
Most ordinary cars these days are built on a global platform and aren't entirely one-country origin anyway.  European VW/Audi use DSG gearboxes essentially made by American Borg Warner but American Ford use German Getrag DSG gearboxes, Porsche have even used Toyota (Aisin) geaboxes, Nissan diesels sold here have essentially Renault engines,  Japanese diesels have used Bosch injection systems etc.  Many/most of the new Japanese cars sold here aren't even made in Japan.

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  Reply # 1395781 28-Sep-2015 14:11
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Just saw the following in this article this will bite consumers in Switzerland '...The appointment came as Swiss authorities said they were suspending sales of Volkswagen brand diesel vehicles that could contain devices capable of cheating emissions tests, including Audi, Seat, and Skoda vehicles built between 2009 and 2014. They said this could affect 180,000 vehicles...'

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/eu-may-change-emissions-tests-laws-356169.html

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  Reply # 1395794 28-Sep-2015 14:21
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Wow i wonder if anyone else will follow, i can't imagine Germany doing that lol

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  Reply # 1398469 2-Oct-2015 09:29
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Shock! Horror!

More vehicles fail diesel emission tests. I t looks like VW is in good company. I see Nissan, Renault, Hyundai, Citroen, Fiat, Volvo, and Jeep have also been busted.


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11522343 




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  Reply # 1398518 2-Oct-2015 10:23
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NA petrol V8 ftw!

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  Reply # 1398520 2-Oct-2015 10:24
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Technofreak: Shock! Horror!

More vehicles fail diesel emission tests. I t looks like VW is in good company. I see Nissan, Renault, Hyundai, Citroen, Fiat, Volvo, and Jeep have also been busted.


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11522343 


Question is which ones have cheating software vs ones that just have real world problems. Eg claimed fuel consumption vs real world, battery life of your Mobile phone laptop etc

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