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  # 1398024 1-Oct-2015 14:10
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DizzyD:
Jase2985: 

BS, you can, depending on the tyres, rotate them yourself, costs you 30 mins of your time, and can get you 10000km + from from a pair of tyres, thats a saving of 1 tyre over a life of 40000k, so depending on the brand/model $100-250 every tyre change


Your post has got me thinking.

What is the $value of 10000km on a pair of tyres?

I have 195/50R16's  car. They cost $185 each, including fitting/balancing.

Brilliant tyres and I estimate I will probably get around 60k on them without rotation. Therefore they cost me approximately $30 per 10 000 km. 

Rotating these tyres every 10000-12000km as recommended means about 6 rotations over 60k. That a lot of rotations to safe just $30. 



it costs me $0  to rotate my tyres just a bit of my time.

if you were expecting to get 60k out of a set then i would probably do it every 20k, i just used 40k as that seems to be about average for a set of tyres.

i have the ecopias on my accord and they are good tyres

what you do works for you thats cool, what i do works for me and is recommend in the industry and on many other websites, and is known to give you longer tyre life

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  # 1398025 1-Oct-2015 14:11
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DizzyD:
scuwp:  Ask the tyre shop for recommendations.


I avoid this.

They love to offer rotations/re-balancing/re-alignment with any wheel change. 



and its as simple as saying No



 
 
 
 


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  # 1398044 1-Oct-2015 14:27
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Jase2985: 

what you do works for you thats cool, what i do works for me and is recommend in the industry and on many other websites, and is known to give you longer tyre life


I'm not denying it increases tyre life. 

The value of doing so just does not stack up IMO. 

Jase2985:
DizzyD:
scuwp:  Ask the tyre shop for recommendations.


I avoid this.

They love to offer rotations/re-balancing/re-alignment with any wheel change. 



and its as simple as saying No



You right. Thats why I don't ask for recommendations. 
I just buy good quality tyres. 

Oh yes, watch out when they try to sell you that common "Tyre Warranty". I think its about $10-$15 per tyre or something. 

On closer inspection of the T&C's of those warranty's the tyres are only replaced under certain conditions. Yet some dealers (even the same dealers) offer free puncture and repairs. 



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  # 1398105 1-Oct-2015 15:56
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I see a lot of merit of putting your best tyres on the front wheels, especially in a front wheel drive car.

The fronts always do the steering (drifting aside) but they also take the braking duties etc. 

Be interested in opinions to the contrary.

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  # 1398115 1-Oct-2015 16:14
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Jaxson: I see a lot of merit of putting your best tyres on the front wheels, especially in a front wheel drive car.

The fronts always do the steering (drifting aside) but they also take the braking duties etc. 

Be interested in opinions to the contrary.


No.  There's no merit in that idea at all.  You're increasing the risk of oversteer (back wheels breaking loose first) which is much harder to control than the typical understeer that most cars have by design.  You can notice understeer/loss of traction on the front wheels and hopefully correct for it safely.  The first hint of oversteer might be the rear of the car suddenly overtaking the front - ie complete loss of control / spinning out, aka "doing a 180".  

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  # 1398117 1-Oct-2015 16:16
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PLEASE LETS NOT GET IN TO THE WHOLE FRONT VS BACK DEBATE AGAIN

It killed the last tyre thread

start a new thread to discuss it please

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  # 1398118 1-Oct-2015 16:18
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Jase2985: PLEASE LETS NOT GET IN TO THE WHOLE FRONT VS BACK DEBATE AGAIN

It killed the last tyre thread

start a new thread to discuss it please


There isn't a debate - nothing to discuss.

 
 
 
 


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  # 1398120 1-Oct-2015 16:20
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Jase2985: PLEASE LETS NOT GET IN TO THE WHOLE FRONT VS BACK DEBATE AGAIN

It killed the last tyre thread

start a new thread to discuss it please


There isn't a debate - nothing to discuss.


some people think there is so please keep it on topic

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  # 1398124 1-Oct-2015 16:23
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@Jaxson Most of the major tyre manufacturers offer the opposite view. You'll find it on their web sites. There will be lots of people who know far more than the tyre makers.

Now I tend to rotate so all 4 wear evenly but when I did buy in pairs I found that the tyres lasted longer given some time on the back to harden up a bit before going on the front.

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  # 1398128 1-Oct-2015 16:28
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Jase2985:
Fred99:
Jase2985: PLEASE LETS NOT GET IN TO THE WHOLE FRONT VS BACK DEBATE AGAIN

It killed the last tyre thread

start a new thread to discuss it please


There isn't a debate - nothing to discuss.


some people think there is so please keep it on topic


Dangerous suggestions need to be corrected IMO.  It may be slightly OT WRT the thread, but I don't want to share the road with idiots who might choose to believe nonsense read on any forum, let alone this one.  
Rotate the tyres as recommended, and the issue should never crop up anyway - unless you drive a Porsche 911 or similar RWD car.

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  # 1398137 1-Oct-2015 16:42
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Fred99:  I don't want to share the road with idiots who might choose to believe nonsense read on any forum, let alone this one.  


Might want to tone it down a bit there.  Try and keep it civil.


Jaxson:
Be interested in opinions to the contrary.


As I said, happy to hear alternative opinions.
The oversteer angle is relevant, I've never said it wasn't.  Thanks for presenting it.

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  # 1398148 1-Oct-2015 16:55
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Jaxson:
Fred99:  I don't want to share the road with idiots who might choose to believe nonsense read on any forum, let alone this one.  


Might want to tone it down a bit there.  Try and keep it civil.



"Idiots" wasn't directed at you.  Other folks (non-who may never post or may not be GZ members) read these forums, search results on specific topics discussed on GZ are often ranked high in Google searches.  It was a dangerous suggestion.
Some of the other suggestions (such as to not take advice given from tyre shops re rotation/balance/alignment) are also pretty questionable.  Yes - I suppose some might tend to want to "over-service" to make a few $$, but alignment in particular does affect safety, will extend tyre life, and most tyre shops do give good advice.  

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  # 1398149 1-Oct-2015 17:02
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I would have to say I used to run some bridgestones and I thought they were great. Only running something different because they came with the car. Also I find a little bit of merit in rotating the tyres once in their life time. In my experience front wheel drive cars tend to ware the outside shoulder regardless of how good your wheel alignment is, so fronting to backing them once is worth while imo. One time I had non directional tyres I got them turned on the rim so the worn outside edge was on the inside.

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  # 1398152 1-Oct-2015 17:05
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Ideally all tyres should be in pretty good nick anyway.

Agree though that braking, and the associated weight transfer to the front, will unload the rears, making them more likely to lose traction.



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  # 1398166 1-Oct-2015 17:17
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Fred99:
Jase2985:
Fred99:
Jase2985: PLEASE LETS NOT GET IN TO THE WHOLE FRONT VS BACK DEBATE AGAIN

It killed the last tyre thread

start a new thread to discuss it please


There isn't a debate - nothing to discuss.


some people think there is so please keep it on topic


Dangerous suggestions need to be corrected IMO.  It may be slightly OT WRT the thread, but I don't want to share the road with idiots who might choose to believe nonsense read on any forum, let alone this one.  
Rotate the tyres as recommended, and the issue should never crop up anyway - unless you drive a Porsche 911 or similar RWD car.


unfortunately that is probably a long way down the list when it comes to what idiots fail to have done to their cars. tonnes of worse issues out there, and way more unsafe cars driving round.

yes it may be deemed unsafe or not best practice but as long as they still have the minimum tread on them LTNZ still thinks they are sweet as bro.

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