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  Reply # 1420616 4-Nov-2015 12:15
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I have the GD250N, which I'm sure is the same power train, and also had a little difficulty with gearing in the beginning (Occasionally still do).

Here's some of the things I've noticed, 

 

  • Rear break is bad
  • Factory tires are bad
  • Plastic tank melts in the sun
  • The bolts that hold the handle bars are weaker then the bars (Don't drop the bike as it will bend)
  • EFI has a bad mapping, making it ride choppy
  • It vibrates like hell (Feature for female riders?)
  • The dealer I got mine from put it together wrong, oil leak after second service (From a bolt under the gearbox)
  • Gearbox is know to be bad (Had issues getting into N at first its better now but not fantastic)
  • She sounds mint with the IXIL Hyperflow
  • Faster then other stock 250s XD
  • Im sure I can find more good and bad
What you have to remember is that its a single 250, so it will stall easily. Plenty of revs off the line and ride the clutch while on a hill. Its my daily and I was a much better rider after a few weeks. 20hrs ridingish








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  Reply # 1420618 4-Nov-2015 12:17
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gzt:
Last night when I rode the bike after the shop dropped it off I put all my gear on and I had a lot of difficulty with changing gears/stalling, particularly when going from 1st to 2nd gear.

I will guess you might be changing just a little too soon, or just the speed dropping while you change. If you drop the throttle slightly it is possible to change without the clutch, or very little. With a brand new bike I will guess everything is a bit stiff either way.


Maybe I'm not throttling enough as I release the clutch? It's weird as when I test rode I didn't have any issues. I was wearing much thinner gear for that as it was borrowed from the shop. I can't really feel the clutch very well with the gloves on and I can't feel the gear lever at all due to the boots. What sort of speed should I be doing when I switch up to 2nd? also how many RPM? Bike goes to ~12k I think. Peak power output is ~7000-8000 RPM and I have been switching up at ~4000.




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  Reply # 1420621 4-Nov-2015 12:20
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lokhor: 

I am definitely planning on taking a few courses but want to make sure I don't embarass myself first. At the moment I am just riding around the streets near my house. I got my mate to give me a lesson before I took some bikes for test rides. I am okay without all the gear, I am having difficulty adjusting to wearing gear though. Also I am a little bit scared of throttling too hard during the break-in period as the manual recommends not going more than half throttle for the first 800km. 


Don't worry about the embarrassment factor, they have people on scooters going!!!! :-)  Just remember ATGATT, you'll get used to the bulkiness of the gear and wearing it more loosens things up (tell your wife it's a new bedroom game you want to try ..... hehehehe)

For running in, don't fret it so much, just make sure you do varied riding (going up and down through the gears and rev range), doing 800km at a stead 3000rpm isn't going to do the best run, it won't hurt the bike going to high revs for a few seconds.





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  Reply # 1420622 4-Nov-2015 12:20
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pbgben: I have the GD250N, which I'm sure is the same power train, and also had a little difficulty with gearing in the beginning (Occasionally still do).

Here's some of the things I've noticed, 

 

  • Rear break is bad
  • Factory tires are bad
  • Plastic tank melts in the sun
  • The bolts that hold the handle bars are weaker then the bars (Don't drop the bike as it will bend)
  • EFI has a bad mapping, making it ride choppy
  • It vibrates like hell (Feature for female riders?)
  • The dealer I got mine from put it together wrong, oil leak after second service (From a bolt under the gearbox)
  • Gearbox is know to be bad (Had issues getting into N at first its better now but not fantastic)
  • She sounds mint with the IXIL Hyperflow
  • Faster then other stock 250s XD
  • Im sure I can find more good and bad
What you have to remember is that its a single 250, so it will stall easily. Plenty of revs off the line and ride the clutch while on a hill. Its my daily and I was a much better rider after a few weeks. 20hrs ridingish




Thanks. Yeah it's basically the same bike apart from the riding position and fairing. 

What would you the switch the tyres out for? 
Have you modified your EFI?






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  Reply # 1420625 4-Nov-2015 12:24
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Was the test ride on the same bike or a run in demonstrator? That could be the difference.

Adjusting to give a bit more range in the clutch could help until you get used to it.

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  Reply # 1420626 4-Nov-2015 12:25
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lokhor: 
Yeah I'm not mechanical enough to do modding, probably not game for it yet either. Also unsure if it would impact the manufacturer's warranty..


TPS calibration or a PowerCommander won't impact warranty, remapping the EFI will. Depending on the dealer (I'm guessing TSS\Red Baron?) they may be able to sort the TPS out as part of the first service.







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  Reply # 1420672 4-Nov-2015 12:28
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gzt: Was the test ride on the same bike or a run in demonstrator? That could be the difference.

Adjusting to give a bit more range in the clutch could help until you get used to it.


Exact same bike. I was the first to ride it as they didn't have a demonstrator model. 




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  Reply # 1420673 4-Nov-2015 12:29
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stevenz:
lokhor: 
Yeah I'm not mechanical enough to do modding, probably not game for it yet either. Also unsure if it would impact the manufacturer's warranty..


TPS calibration or a PowerCommander won't impact warranty, remapping the EFI will. Depending on the dealer (I'm guessing TSS\Red Baron?) they may be able to sort the TPS out as part of the first service.



Ok what do I tell them when I get to the first service?





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  Reply # 1420707 4-Nov-2015 12:44
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lokhor:
stevenz:
lokhor: 
Yeah I'm not mechanical enough to do modding, probably not game for it yet either. Also unsure if it would impact the manufacturer's warranty..


TPS calibration or a PowerCommander won't impact warranty, remapping the EFI will. Depending on the dealer (I'm guessing TSS\Red Baron?) they may be able to sort the TPS out as part of the first service.
Ok what do I tell them when I get to the first service?


Depending what their service people are like you may just be able to ask them to do a TPS calibration, it's possible it's not even an issue on the X4R but it is on the GT250R which I would imagine probably uses much the same EFI system other it than having 1 less throttle body. Even just asking them if they can help with the low-speed throttle snatchiness should point them in the right direction.





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  Reply # 1420722 4-Nov-2015 12:56
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I have a GSX 650F, wanting a GSX1000-S but it aint got no winda. Its naked but it doesnt look naked.

My winter gloves are stiff, but I got used to it, and my new boots were bigger and thick and hardish to change gears, now its normal
its just a feel thing 



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  Reply # 1420723 4-Nov-2015 12:58
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tdgeek: I have a GSX 650F, wanting a GSX1000-S but it aint got no winda. Its naked but it doesnt look naked.

My winter gloves are stiff, but I got used to it, and my new boots were bigger and thick and hardish to change gears, now its normal
its just a feel thing 


Yeah hopefully. I will ride again tonight and see how I go. Doesn't help that it was dark and wet last night when I went for my first ride..




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  Reply # 1420731 4-Nov-2015 13:13
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lokhor:
gzt:
Last night when I rode the bike after the shop dropped it off I put all my gear on and I had a lot of difficulty with changing gears/stalling, particularly when going from 1st to 2nd gear.

I will guess you might be changing just a little too soon, or just the speed dropping while you change. If you drop the throttle slightly it is possible to change without the clutch, or very little. With a brand new bike I will guess everything is a bit stiff either way.


Maybe I'm not throttling enough as I release the clutch? It's weird as when I test rode I didn't have any issues. I was wearing much thinner gear for that as it was borrowed from the shop. I can't really feel the clutch very well with the gloves on and I can't feel the gear lever at all due to the boots. What sort of speed should I be doing when I switch up to 2nd? also how many RPM? Bike goes to ~12k I think. Peak power output is ~7000-8000 RPM and I have been switching up at ~4000.


I try not to go below 4000, that's when I start having issues. 

https://youtu.be/5g6hVNqmCEY?t=120 you be able to see the gear changes at around 6000






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  Reply # 1420736 4-Nov-2015 13:27
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pbgben:
lokhor:
gzt:
Last night when I rode the bike after the shop dropped it off I put all my gear on and I had a lot of difficulty with changing gears/stalling, particularly when going from 1st to 2nd gear.

I will guess you might be changing just a little too soon, or just the speed dropping while you change. If you drop the throttle slightly it is possible to change without the clutch, or very little. With a brand new bike I will guess everything is a bit stiff either way.


Maybe I'm not throttling enough as I release the clutch? It's weird as when I test rode I didn't have any issues. I was wearing much thinner gear for that as it was borrowed from the shop. I can't really feel the clutch very well with the gloves on and I can't feel the gear lever at all due to the boots. What sort of speed should I be doing when I switch up to 2nd? also how many RPM? Bike goes to ~12k I think. Peak power output is ~7000-8000 RPM and I have been switching up at ~4000.


I try not to go below 4000, that's when I start having issues. 

https://youtu.be/5g6hVNqmCEY?t=120 you be able to see the gear changes at around 6000


Oh hey that's you! I was messaging you on Youtube haha




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  Reply # 1420794 4-Nov-2015 13:53
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Try jumping on http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/ and see if you can find a mentor in your area.  Telling you how to do something is very hard compared to someone showing you, letting you have a go, observing you and then giving you some tips.




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  Reply # 1420799 4-Nov-2015 13:58
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lokhor:
pbgben:
lokhor:
gzt:
Last night when I rode the bike after the shop dropped it off I put all my gear on and I had a lot of difficulty with changing gears/stalling, particularly when going from 1st to 2nd gear.

I will guess you might be changing just a little too soon, or just the speed dropping while you change. If you drop the throttle slightly it is possible to change without the clutch, or very little. With a brand new bike I will guess everything is a bit stiff either way.


Maybe I'm not throttling enough as I release the clutch? It's weird as when I test rode I didn't have any issues. I was wearing much thinner gear for that as it was borrowed from the shop. I can't really feel the clutch very well with the gloves on and I can't feel the gear lever at all due to the boots. What sort of speed should I be doing when I switch up to 2nd? also how many RPM? Bike goes to ~12k I think. Peak power output is ~7000-8000 RPM and I have been switching up at ~4000.


I try not to go below 4000, that's when I start having issues. 

https://youtu.be/5g6hVNqmCEY?t=120 you be able to see the gear changes at around 6000


Oh hey that's you! I was messaging you on Youtube haha


haha, it shows just how small NZ really is :) A lower population than london!

I agree with finding a mentor, but the best you can do is ride. Find a low traffic route and keep riding it, make sure there is a decent ammount of stops, hills etc, and ride a few times until your content, then sleep on it and do the same the next day (I was told this by some dude on a forum somewhere on the web, its to do with "muscle memory")

Also, its a bike, so make sure your having fun :)




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