How do you prefer to hill start (in a manual)?

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Reply # 1423280 8-Nov-2015 19:51

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Can I ask why you want to use a manual car?

Modern automatic transmissions are far better and efficient than manuals, unless you are going to do serious off roading or truck driving.

Hahahaha. You almost made be fall off my chair. You don't really believe that do you?

Automatic transmissions are so good they mostly use them for racing. No wait. They use manual transmissions. They use manual transmissions because they are not as good. No wait. They use manual transmissions because they want to win the race and they are better in just about every regard.

Sure, if you are a crap driver or can't be bothered getting any proper skills you might be better off with an automatic. It's easy right? You don't even have to think or plan your gear changes. If you have even a moderate skill level you can get both better performance and better fuel economy than an automatic transmission.

Don't see a lot of F1 cars or V8 Supercars on the public roads. Do see a lot of little boys trying hard to play out fantasies of being a F1 or V8SC driver and failing.

I have a Nissan Altima AUTOMATIC which is a bigger car just averaged 6.4L/100km between Wellington to Taupe to Napier to Wellington. You need to catch up with the capabilities of modern vehicles.

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Reply # 1423292 8-Nov-2015 20:39

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Don't see a lot of F1 cars or V8 Supercars on the public roads. Do see a lot of little boys trying hard to play out fantasies of being a F1 or V8SC driver and failing.

I have a Nissan Altima AUTOMATIC which is a bigger car just averaged 6.4L/100km between Wellington to Taupe to Napier to Wellington. You need to catch up with the capabilities of modern vehicles.

Seriously, do you really believe your original statement, that an automatic transmission delivers better fuel economy than a skilled driver using a manual?

People use automatics because they are easier, not because they are better.

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Reply # 1423299 8-Nov-2015 20:46

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Don't see a lot of F1 cars or V8 Supercars on the public roads. Do see a lot of little boys trying hard to play out fantasies of being a F1 or V8SC driver and failing.

I have a Nissan Altima AUTOMATIC which is a bigger car just averaged 6.4L/100km between Wellington to Taupe to Napier to Wellington. You need to catch up with the capabilities of modern vehicles.

Seriously, do you really believe your original statement, that an automatic transmission delivers better fuel economy than a skilled driver using a manual?

People use automatics because they are easier, not because they are better.

Please point me to my post where I wrote what you say I wrote above.......

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Reply # 1423307 8-Nov-2015 20:57

I thikn we clearly have to agree to disagree on why we still have manual cars.
I prefer an automatic when I'm tired (which is 50-99% of the time).
When I want to drive, I hate automatics.
Which one will I buy (if given a choice)?
A good manual over a good auto in Dunedin.
A good auto over a good manual in Melbourne.
But nowadays you don't get much choice anymore.

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Reply # 1423436 9-Nov-2015 08:17

I was taught the handbrake technique when I learned to drive 35+ years ago and it's what I would recommend. That heel-toe technique just looks downright dodgy to me - I can imagine a woman coming to all sorts of grief trying to do that in high-heeled shoes.

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Reply # 1423444 9-Nov-2015 08:42

1. The physical location of the brake and accelerator pedal must be designed spot on. Most cars that are not designed for racing do not have the pedals placed to allow precision in heel toe. Doesn't stop one from doing it, so in theory with practice you could heel toe any car off a slope of any gradient.

2. If you are asking, then this is not the right option.

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Reply # 1423447 9-Nov-2015 08:48

I've been driving for around 30 years and have alsways used the handbrake method.

it's how I was taught by a professional driving instructor and also how the Traffic cop taking me for my test (as they did back then) advised I should do it...

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Reply # 1423455 9-Nov-2015 09:20

andrew027: I can imagine a woman coming to all sorts of grief trying to do that in high-heeled shoes.

I don't think you can drive in high-heeled shoes at all, the normal solution is to remove them before attempting to drive.

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Reply # 1423506 9-Nov-2015 09:46

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andrew027: I can imagine a woman coming to all sorts of grief trying to do that in high-heeled shoes.

I don't think you can drive in high-heeled shoes at all, the normal solution is to remove them before attempting to drive.

no thats the recommended method.

heaps of women drive in high heals

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Reply # 1423509 9-Nov-2015 09:47

In 27 years of driving, the handbrake method for hill starts wins every time. As to the whole Auto and Manual debate, I prefer not to go quietly into the night and will always buy manual. I've found a great way to buy car model you want with a manual gearbox. Import it from either England or Australia. I had a Ford salesman once tell me they don't make the top spec mondeo I wanted in manual. Boy did he have a red face when I brought up the ford UK website on my phone and showed him otherwise.

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Reply # 1423534 9-Nov-2015 10:30

Handbrake never clutch brake shuffle, if thats fails 7000rpm and drop the clutch haha.

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Reply # 1423543 9-Nov-2015 10:49

I shuffle, or handbrake for very steep hills (or when there's no margin for error). Having said that it's been years since I've driven a manual since I gave in due to the daily Auckland traffic battle...

In an auto I use my left foot on the brake pedal once I'm stopped and depress the throttle gently until the weight is off before releasing it (if facing uphill), enabling a smooth take off.

Have never had success with heel-toe, the pedals in most of the cars I've had were not close enough together that i could comfortably use one foot to control both pedals. The MR2 was probably an exception but that was enough of a handful without trying out new techniques.

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Reply # 1423550 9-Nov-2015 11:19

I remember 27 years ago my driving instructor said to me "I teach you how to do a hill start using the handbrake, but that's not how you'll end up actually doing it" and he was right.

Don't ask me how I remembered that when I sometimes don't remember to turn the cooktop element off.

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Reply # 1423552 9-Nov-2015 11:21

BTR: Handbrake never clutch brake shuffle, if thats fails 7000rpm and drop the clutch haha.

That's quite dangerous. You should go to 8000rpm to be sure.

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Reply # 1423566 9-Nov-2015 11:25

Jase2985:
roobarb:
andrew027: I can imagine a woman coming to all sorts of grief trying to do that in high-heeled shoes.

I don't think you can drive in high-heeled shoes at all, the normal solution is to remove them before attempting to drive.

no thats the recommended method.

heaps of women drive in high heals

Yep - it may not be a good idea, but it happens all the time.

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