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  Reply # 1437030 28-Nov-2015 21:30
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joker97: It's only the original Jazz/Fit. The second generation did not have the CVT issue.


The second gen Jazz (ie NZ new) doesn't have any CVT issues at all as it came with a standard auto. The current (3rd gen) returned to a CVT though.

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  Reply # 1437033 28-Nov-2015 21:34
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One hopes they will have fixed that issue.

I read somewhere Honda fixed (free of charge) 8-10 year old NZ New Jazzes' CVTs that developed that problem.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1437034 28-Nov-2015 21:37
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joker97: It's only the original Jazz/Fit. The second generation did not have the CVT issue.


The second gen Jazz (ie NZ new) doesn't have any CVT issues at all as it came with a standard auto. The current (3rd gen) returned to a CVT though.


I believe imports may have CVTs because the world forums said it's fixed in the second gen ones. I am no Honda model history expert though. Heck i didn't even know of Ford's latest urban crawler.

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  Reply # 1437036 28-Nov-2015 21:42
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My 2003 Corolla is approaching 200KKm, works fine and in the almost ten years I've had it I've spent about $400 on repairs - plus regular maintenance. It's still solid and tidy, ex lease, well maintained. It'll go for years - I'll probably buy another car before long but I'll keep this one and drive it into the ground, until maintenance costs creep up.




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  Reply # 1437037 28-Nov-2015 21:43
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joker97: I read somewhere Honda fixed (free of charge) 8-10 year old NZ New Jazzes' CVTs that developed that problem.


nope, may have done that in the first few years but they def dont do that now



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  Reply # 1437093 29-Nov-2015 08:00
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nitrotech:

Just wondering what your issue is with chain driven rather than belt - personally I wouldn't get a car that had a cam belt as they always need replacing and cost a fortune to do so - chain driven the chain generally outlasts the engine.
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just that,  i agree, i think you read my post wrong :-)



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  Reply # 1437094 29-Nov-2015 08:02
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so it comes down to civic (belt drive), corolla (chain drive)

does it matter which corolla? they all have really stupid names i cant figure out which is meant to be better.

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  Reply # 1437095 29-Nov-2015 08:04
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Don't buy a Civic previously ever owned by a younger-than-40yo NZ fella (boy or girl doesn't matter) .... likely to be trashed and about to fall apart

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  Reply # 1437098 29-Nov-2015 08:11
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Just don't get a red Civic. I can attest mine is a great reliable car. Spend zero on maintenance (other than normal) and done 160,000 km. The floor layout of the hatch and space with seats down is great as well for transporting big things. Great to chuck kids and dog in as no centre bump. As to the red my paint on a 2005 civic has faded in a number of panels. Looks very patchy. But again it's cheap and practical and my Motorcycle makes up for any negative feelings I have towards a small car. (I'm 190cm so plenty big enough as well)

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  Reply # 1437126 29-Nov-2015 09:30
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tehgerbil: Avoid anything with a CVT transmission, especially Honda fits/jazz, they're notorious for having worn clutch plates which cost $700 to replace, and need to be done every 20,000 k's.




wow that's cheap. the dealer I rang said they recommended a new transmission! are you sure it's that cheap?


That's what they charged me for replacing the clutch plates on my old 2004 Honda Jazz. Google it, there are a lot of complaints about them, even after a New clutch plate was installed, it still "shuddered" heavily upon anything other gentle acceleration.

Happens in the in-laws Honda Jazz Rs when you put your foot down, shuddering through the car as the clutch engages. 

Just personally hate the feeling, and the upkeep is just too expensive. 

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  Reply # 1437130 29-Nov-2015 09:50
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joker97: Don't buy a Civic previously ever owned by a younger-than-40yo NZ fella (boy or girl doesn't matter) .... likely to be trashed and about to fall apart


dont generalise

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  Reply # 1437137 29-Nov-2015 10:15
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TeaLeaf: We currently have a 3.0l wagon and are wanting to downsize as we rarely use our car.

We would like something reliable.

Would need to be large enough for a 6ft1 guy but rarely long drives. Usually 20mins max.

Not sure what is a good hatchback for a small budget?

I realise it will need servicing like any used car and wont be reliable as brand new.

Any ideas?


I often wonder about the economics of this type of change.

Yes, a smaller car will cost less to run, but when you consider how many K's you do how much will you really save over the course of the year.

How much is it costing to change cars? This on its own may outweigh any savings in operating costs.

Is the current car unreliable?

Is it likely to become unreliable in the near to medium term?

Presumably the current car meets your needs. You just don't need it's full capabilities. Is it likely you will use any of the current cars capabilities on the odd occasion. Giving friends a ride to the shops, movies etc. Towing a trailer to the tip? Picking up bulky items from the shops?

No doubt you are used to the way your current car drives and rides.  In my experience a larger car rides and drives better than a smaller car. Smaller cars tend to be shorter and don't ride hollows and bumps as well due to a shorter wheelbase. Will you be happy with the way a small car rides and drives?

Will you be disappointed with a small car when you do those rare long drives?

What I'm saying is while your idea to downsize may have a lot of merit does it make sense when you take all the factors into account?




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  Reply # 1437171 29-Nov-2015 11:32
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TeaLeaf: so it comes down to civic (belt drive), corolla (chain drive)

does it matter which corolla? they all have really stupid names i cant figure out which is meant to be better.


Considered a VW Golf (or even a smaller VW Polo)? The newer ones are chain driven. When we had to replace our Chrysler (which was totaled after being rear ended and pushed into another car in front of us - and that's how fast the idiot was driving behind us) we drove Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Holden... The first three felt just like "toys" - handling, doors that would just barely click in place. The Holden felt overpriced. The VW on the other hand was solid on corners, good construction and the 1.6 we got performs well.






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  Reply # 1437174 29-Nov-2015 11:40
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2cheapcars have a vw golf on black Friday special

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  Reply # 1437176 29-Nov-2015 11:43
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We bought ours from 2CheapCars AKL. Arranged to hold it for a $200 fee so AA could inspect. This came out of the final price when we confirmed. Also we managed to get a GrabOne $500 voucher for $100 just in case so that paid for the transport AKL - WLG. And paid with credit card so we had cashback and some guarantee if anything went wrong we could always stop the payment. Car was delivered on time and ready to go...

The entire transaction was over the Internet - only time we talked was to pass credit card number over the phone.






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