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  Reply # 1442531 8-Dec-2015 10:32
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mdooher:
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The fine is $150. I've been moaning to the NZTA for many years about inappropriate use of fog lights at night and since the Rule change the lack of enforcement but I don't see that there is the same problem in daylight.


If the road is wet Fog lights reflect off the road badly.

The problem is those that drive with fog light on during the day don't turn them off as evening comes on.

And anyway it is an offence. If you drive with fog lights on or drive faster than 100km/h you have a propensity to break the law and therefore are not a fit and proper person to:
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I'll take the $150 fine. It's the lesser cost. And just to upset you further, I don't turn them off at night either.
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To be clear, these are the 'Fog' lights as factory standard on my particular model of car, highlighted in yellow

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  Reply # 1442562 8-Dec-2015 11:22
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Or you are aware that the privilege of driving costs a fortune and that optional charges like fines etc can easily be avoided. Which makes one maybe an aware, rational thinking person ...
 


A rational thinking person knows that the law is a blunt instrument which at best is approximately right. As such, Harry Day & Douglas Bader's wise words apply:

"Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men."


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1442572 8-Dec-2015 11:43
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MikeB4: 
Or you are aware that the privilege of driving costs a fortune and that optional charges like fines etc can easily be avoided. Which makes one maybe an aware, rational thinking person ...
 


A rational thinking person knows that the law is a blunt instrument which at best is approximately right. As such, Harry Day & Douglas Bader's wise words apply:

"Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men."



A person that incurs avoidable fines is not wise,  so that quote I incorrect. But you do what you feel you must and continue to contribute to the Consolidated Fund




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  Reply # 1442734 8-Dec-2015 14:13
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Sorry i have not read through the whole thread but here is my view.

Most days of the week i see whats i call a speed trap. That is when an officer is hidden getting peoples speeds intentionally to pull them over and ticket them.
Thats known as revenue gathering, It doesn't make the road safer, It only teaches one person a lesson even if you could say that.

I see more of this when the lower speed tolerances are in force.

What i would see is an effective way to bring the average road users speed down and below the limit would be "Constables On patrol"
If i knew between Auckland and Warkworth there would be 5 police travelling each way between 8AM-8PM i would definitely not take my chances.
They have a resource (Car) and they should be using it to its full potential 24/7.
Like if i knew between Milford and Devonport there was 2 cars cruising 24/7 i wouldn't play up in my cars at all. 
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  Reply # 1442737 8-Dec-2015 14:16
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TimA: Sorry i have not read through the whole thread but here is my view.

Most days of the week i see whats i call a speed trap. That is when an officer is hidden getting peoples speeds intentionally to pull them over and ticket them.
Thats known as revenue gathering, It doesn't make the road safer, It only teaches one person a lesson even if you could say that.

I see more of this when the lower speed tolerances are in force.

What i would see is an effective way to bring the average road users speed down and below the limit would be "Constables On patrol"
If i knew between Auckland and Warkworth there would be 5 police travelling each way between 8AM-8PM i would definitely not take my chances.
They have a resource (Car) and they should be using it to its full potential 24/7.
Like if i knew between Milford and Devonport there was 2 cars cruising 24/7 i wouldn't play up in my cars at all. 
"Safer Communities*"



*Only if we profit.


I like the idea of very visible road safety cameras and very visible Police patrols.




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  Reply # 1442738 8-Dec-2015 14:17
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MikeB4: 

I like the idea of very visible road safety cameras and very visible Police patrols.


I like the idea of road safety cameras too... regrettably, there are none in NZ.


Hmm, what to write...
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  Reply # 1442758 8-Dec-2015 14:21
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WyleECoyoteNZ:Click to see full size

https://cdn.geekzone.co.nz/imagessubs/a1d4a1594cac51576eb3bcc6f7f60721.jpg

To be clear, these are the 'Fog' lights as factory standard on my particular model of car, highlighted in yellow


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  Reply # 1442778 8-Dec-2015 14:25
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WyleECoyoteNZ:Click to see full size

https://cdn.geekzone.co.nz/imagessubs/a1d4a1594cac51576eb3bcc6f7f60721.jpg

To be clear, these are the 'Fog' lights as factory standard on my particular model of car, highlighted in yellow


Friends don't let friends drive Holdens. tongue-out


Friends dont let friends drive Holdens or put yellow cellophane on their lights.
Its not a Euro, Dont.

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  Reply # 1442801 8-Dec-2015 14:45
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WyleECoyoteNZ:Click to see full size

https://cdn.geekzone.co.nz/imagessubs/a1d4a1594cac51576eb3bcc6f7f60721.jpg

To be clear, these are the 'Fog' lights as factory standard on my particular model of car, highlighted in yellow


Friends don't let friends drive Holdens. tongue-out


Rather Drive a Holden than push a Ford... tongue-out

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  Reply # 1442805 8-Dec-2015 14:50
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TimA:
mdooher:
WyleECoyoteNZ:Click to see full size

https://cdn.geekzone.co.nz/imagessubs/a1d4a1594cac51576eb3bcc6f7f60721.jpg

To be clear, these are the 'Fog' lights as factory standard on my particular model of car, highlighted in yellow


Friends don't let friends drive Holdens. tongue-out


Friends dont let friends drive Holdens or put yellow cellophane on their lights.
Its not a Euro, Dont.


There isn't. I just highlighted the Fog\spot light in an editor
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  Reply # 1443010 8-Dec-2015 18:16
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I'll take the $150 fine. It's the lesser cost. And just to upset you further, I don't turn them off at night either.
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To be clear, these are the 'Fog' lights as factory standard on my particular model of car, highlighted in yellow


You are aware that it will be blinding people that meet you on the road? And that it will partly blind you too. I guess that doesn't matter to you?




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  Reply # 1443025 8-Dec-2015 18:51
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What blinds me is the f-wits who don't dim their high beams at night. I'll take the fog lights over that any time.





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  Reply # 1443034 8-Dec-2015 19:12
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WyleECoyoteNZ:

I'll take the $150 fine. It's the lesser cost. And just to upset you further, I don't turn them off at night either.
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To be clear, these are the 'Fog' lights as factory standard on my particular model of car, highlighted in yellow


You are aware that it will be blinding people that meet you on the road? And that it will partly blind you too. I guess that doesn't matter to you?


People need to be aware that there are "fog lights" and "driving lights".  This often depends on the bulb that is fitted.  

Either way I don't see an issue leaving these on.  I do it all the time and frequently see others doing the same, appreciating that the former is technically illegal in good conditions.  Never had an issue.




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  Reply # 1443084 8-Dec-2015 20:29
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MikeB4: 

I like the idea of very visible road safety cameras and very visible Police patrols.


I like the idea of road safety cameras too... regrettably, there are none in NZ.



That's strange I see them daily




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  Reply # 1443225 8-Dec-2015 23:56
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scuwp: People need to be aware that there are "fog lights" and "driving lights".  This often depends on the bulb that is fitted.  

Either way I don't see an issue leaving these on.  I do it all the time and frequently see others doing the same, appreciating that the former is technical,ly illegal in good conditions.  Never had an issue.


Forget the term "driving light" it has no status in the rules. Call them additional Main beams and it will help reinforce that they should be off if you are on dip beam. In most cases the low location of factory fog lamps is the wrong place for a main beam.

I don't see the point of lighting up the road immediately in front of the car. At speed anything in that zone is already too close and that light doesn't help your eyes focus on the zone further out.

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