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  Reply # 1443250 9-Dec-2015 06:47
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joker97: They help me see better.

Do they blind oncoming cars - i don't think so. Because it's lighting up the road closer than the dipped lights are.


In clear conditions you don't need them, driving with them on is arrogant, selfish, illegal and dangerous turn them off. Guess what, the world is not all about you..




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  Reply # 1443251 9-Dec-2015 06:49
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MikeB4:
joker97: They help me see better.

Do they blind oncoming cars - i don't think so. Because it's lighting up the road closer than the dipped lights are.


In clear conditions you don't need them, driving with them on is arrogant, selfish, illegal and dangerous turn them off. Guess what, the world is not all about you..


Guess what, i don't use them. Do you hear yourself making up stuff?

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  Reply # 1443252 9-Dec-2015 07:04
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jarledb:
scuwp: 
Either way I don't see an issue leaving these on.  I do it all the time and frequently see others doing the same, appreciating that the former is technically illegal in good conditions.  Never had an issue.


Whats the point of leaving them on? Do they actually help you see? Or is it because they "look cool"?


https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/get-your-lights-right/get-your-lights-right/

Daytime running lamps Daytime running lamps are optional lamps fitted to the front of a vehicle to make it easier to see in daylight. They have a low light output and are not bright enough to illuminate the road ahead of the vehicle. Fitting requirements

 

  • You can fit up to two daytime running lamps to your vehicle. If your vehicle already has two daytime running lamps as original equipment, you can’t fit a second pair. On some vehicles, daytime running lamps operate as a function of the main beam headlamp.
  • Daytime running lamps should be wired so that they automatically switch off when either the dipped or main beam headlamps are turned on.
  • Daytime running lamps must be white or amber in colour. When purchasing daytime running lamps, it is your responsibility to ensure they meet approved standards and are designed for that specific purpose. If in doubt, consult a vehicle lighting retailer.
On the road Daytime running lamps are normally designed so that they turn on automatically with the engine ignition, and turn off when the dipped or main beam headlamps are switched on.

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joker97:
MikeB4:
joker97: They help me see better.

Do they blind oncoming cars - i don't think so. Because it's lighting up the road closer than the dipped lights are.


In clear conditions you don't need them, driving with them on is arrogant, selfish, illegal and dangerous turn them off. Guess what, the world is not all about you..


Guess what, i don't use them. Do you hear yourself making up stuff?


Then why say "they help me see better"?

Edit; don't bother I am not interested in playing, I'm out




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  Reply # 1443254 9-Dec-2015 07:06
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MikeB4:
joker97:
MikeB4:
joker97: They help me see better.

Do they blind oncoming cars - i don't think so. Because it's lighting up the road closer than the dipped lights are.


In clear conditions you don't need them, driving with them on is arrogant, selfish, illegal and dangerous turn them off. Guess what, the world is not all about you..


Guess what, i don't use them. Do you hear yourself making up stuff?


Then why say "they help me see better"?


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jarledb:
scuwp: 
Either way I don't see an issue leaving these on.  I do it all the time and frequently see others doing the same, appreciating that the former is technically illegal in good conditions.  Never had an issue.


Whats the point of leaving them on? Do they actually help you see? Or is it because they "look cool"?

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jarledb:
scuwp: 
Either way I don't see an issue leaving these on.  I do it all the time and frequently see others doing the same, appreciating that the former is technically illegal in good conditions.  Never had an issue.


Whats the point of leaving them on? Do they actually help you see? Or is it because they "look cool"?


It's not about me seeing better, it's about me being more visible to others. Safety experts have promoted headlights on during the day for years. I would be happy with driving lights if I had some. Maybe next car.




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  Reply # 1443295 9-Dec-2015 08:21
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TimA: Sorry i have not read through the whole thread but here is my view.

Most days of the week i see whats i call a speed trap. That is when an officer is hidden getting peoples speeds intentionally to pull them over and ticket them.
Thats known as revenue gathering, It doesn't make the road safer, It only teaches one person a lesson even if you could say that.
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The cop can't be hidden if you can see them!

Getting peoples speeds intentionally? Isn't that their job, if that's what thy're doing?

Just because you see a police car parked on the side of the road it does not automatically mean they are doing speed enforcement. There could be a number of reasons why they're parked there.



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  Reply # 1444484 9-Dec-2015 13:47
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scuwp: 
It's not about me seeing better, it's about me being more visible to others. Safety experts have promoted headlights on during the day for years. I would be happy with driving lights if I had some. Maybe next car.


Then why not do what is done in Europe: Drive with the low beams on all around the clock. That works, and does not blind anyone at night.




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  Reply # 1444485 9-Dec-2015 13:51
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Why do cars come with "driving lights" with switches separate from the dipped/high beams when it's illegal? Obviously it's not illegal if they come with a $20,000-$250,000 car? And what more when they're called "driving lights" as opposed to "illegal when driving lights"

Anyway, i bet "dRiving lights" is nowhere near as bad as SUVs' normal dipped HID lights. I can't see a thing when one of those things come at me at night.

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  Reply # 1444492 9-Dec-2015 14:03
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joker97: Why do cars come with "driving lights" with switches separate from the dipped/high beams when it's illegal? Obviously it's not illegal if they come with a $20,000-$250,000 car? And what more when they're called "driving lights" as opposed to "illegal when driving lights"

Anyway, i bet "dRiving lights" is nowhere near as bad as SUVs' normal dipped HID lights. I can't see a thing when one of those things come at me at night.


I don't think anyone here has suggested driving lights are illegal. But some people seem to think that their fog lights are driving lights. They are NOT, and do not distribute the light in the same way.




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  Reply # 1444495 9-Dec-2015 14:10
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jarledb:
joker97: Why do cars come with "driving lights" with switches separate from the dipped/high beams when it's illegal? Obviously it's not illegal if they come with a $20,000-$250,000 car? And what more when they're called "driving lights" as opposed to "illegal when driving lights"

Anyway, i bet "dRiving lights" is nowhere near as bad as SUVs' normal dipped HID lights. I can't see a thing when one of those things come at me at night.


I don't think anyone here has suggested driving lights are illegal. But some people seem to think that their fog lights are driving lights. They are NOT, and do not distribute the light in the same way.


The two types of lights in question are "Daylight Running lights" (must turn off when headlights are turned on) legal and non dazzling.
and "Fog lights" (lights that continue to operate when headlights are on) Illegal to use unless it is foggy.
"Driving lights" usually means an auxiliary set of high beams.(must not be able to be turned on when headlights are on dip)




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food for thoughts (mind this is about the states)

What’s the Difference Between Driving Lights and Fog Lights?
http://www.ebay.com/gds/What-s-the-Difference-Between-Driving-Lights-and-Fog-Lights-/10000000177633614/g.html

"Regular headlights can reflect off the fog, snow, or dust particles in the air, causing glare and confusing the eyes of drivers so that they cannot see the road adequately. Fog lights, as their name suggests, were developed for use in dangerously thick fog. They can also be used for other conditions in which visibility is severely limited. Fog lights are completely separate units from standard headlights.

Fog lights are so strong that most regions outlaw their use except in cases of thick fog or other severe weather. If they are used under normal conditions, other drivers can be blinded by their brightness or distracted by their light pattern. If this happens, the result could be a minor fender-bender or a serious accident. As soon as the fog clears or the mist dissipates, drivers should turn off their fog lights so as not to disturb or distract other drivers. Drivers who use their fog lights when visibility is normal or only slightly reduced could be pulled over by an officer. They may even face a fine if the officer deems the use of the fog lights inappropriate given the weather conditions.

Driving lights are even stronger than fog lights are. They have a narrow, straight beam, and they are installed on the front of the car, pickup truck, or SUV. Driving lights are always white, since white lights are more powerful in the dark than yellow or red are.

Driving lights should be wired to engage only when the high beams are in use. Since they are so powerful, they should never be employed around other drivers. The bright lights can be a distraction for them, taking their attention away from the road. Even a momentary distraction can cause an accident, ranging from a minor incident to a severe wreck involving injury to drivers and to passengers. Some areas enforce penalties for the inappropriate use of driving lights."

and there is the DRL, the alternative of low beam headlight, for better visibility "to be seen". 

 

 

 

 

 

Daytime Running Lights

 

 

 

Daytime running lights are strong white lights that are installed in the front of the car. This term is often used to refer to standard headlights. However, daytime running lights refers more specifically to lights that come on automatically when the car is turned on. Not all cars illuminate their headlights automatically. Some cars have headlights that must be manually turned on by the driver when they are needed. Daytime running lights need to be adjusted so that they do not aim directly at the eyes of oncoming drivers.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1444507 9-Dec-2015 14:31
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10.2 Fitting and performance requirements for fog lamps
10.2(1) The light emitted from a front fog lamp must be substantially white or amber.
10.2(2) The light emitted from a rear fog lamp must be diffuse and substantially red in colour.
10.2(3) A front fog lamp fitted to a motor vehicle must not be positioned higher than a dipped-beam headlamp fitted to the vehicle.

10.3 Fitting and performance requirements for daytime running lamps
10.3(1) When operated, a daytime running lamp must emit light that is substantially white or amber.
10.3(2) A daytime running lamp must not operate when a front fog lamp or headlamp is in use.

Also

8.4Use of optional lights

 

     

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    (1) A driver may use a fog lamp only in conditions of severely reduced visibility, including fog or snow, but not under clear atmospheric conditions even during the hours of darkness.


    Pretty simple really

     

     





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  Reply # 1444552 9-Dec-2015 14:47
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Now this is very interesting. UK insures  getting upset at people who won't turn off their fog lights

 

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/01/31/uk-insurer-says-reckless-fog-light-drivers-cause-300-000-accid/






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  Reply # 1444568 9-Dec-2015 15:09
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It doesn't happen much here, but the unnecessary use of rear fog lights (note, they're "fog" lights, not drizzle, light mist or "dark" lights) is a constant irritation in the UK.  You're following someone at a safe, constant distance with 100m+ visibility and all you can see are these really bright red lights and their reflections of every wet surface.

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