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#1467592 11-Jan-2016 13:57

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In the UK the fine is issued in the first instance to the person to whom the vehicle is registered.

If that person was not the driver, there is a legal form on the fine notice which they sign and have to give the name of the driver if it was not them. The fine is then re-issued to that person. If they dispute it, then off to the Magistrate's Court you go and the fines go up automatically for the person found to have been speeding, as do the points. With an additional charge of suppling false information if you lied on the form....

That is similar to here in Queensland (and most of the rest of Australia). You get the fine, and you can either "redirect" the fine (by filling in a Statutory Declaration), pay the fine, or contest the fine in court. You can't contest by writing a letter though, it has to be in front of a judge, which I assume is because of the way the whole system works.

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#1468716 12-Jan-2016 20:47

Guy caught driving 141km/h and then admiting, on video "I don't even know what the speed limit is in New Zealand." and "I didn't even know we were going fast, I was just cruising, just chilling, just chatting away."

Police office saying "It's going to be an expensive dinner," before explaining that he's written the ticket for 139km/h so he can keep his licence.

Why did the office let this "person" keep his license? The driver already admitted he wasn't paying attention.

Unbelievable, from both sides.

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#1468720 12-Jan-2016 20:56

freitasm: Guy caught driving 141km/h and then admiting, on video "I don't even know what the speed limit is in New Zealand." and "I didn't even know we were going fast, I was just cruising, just chilling, just chatting away."

Police office saying "It's going to be an expensive dinner," before explaining that he's written the ticket for 139km/h so he can keep his licence.

Why did the office let this "person" keep his license? The driver already admitted he wasn't paying attention.

Unbelievable, from both sides.

Officer obviously used discretion and applied the 40 km/h tolerance rule for licence ;p

Anyone know what error is associated with speed cameras e.g. 1%? 5%?

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#1468735 12-Jan-2016 21:02

Awesome officer! applied the 4k tolerance rule!

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#1468752 12-Jan-2016 21:32

paulchinnz:
Anyone know what error is associated with speed cameras e.g. 1%? 5%?

next to nothing at all

"Accuracy better than 1 Kmh for all modes" for the Stalker DSR

https://www.fyi.org.nz/request/speed_measuring_equipment
down the bottom there are some links to manuals and publications

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#1468754 12-Jan-2016 21:37

still havent found what the police require but there was mention of +-3kph in one of those documents

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#1469086 13-Jan-2016 14:14

paulchinnz:
Anyone know what error is associated with speed cameras e.g. 1%? 5%?

Once I contested a ticket and I got a certification saying the equipment is accurate within +/- 1 km for both 50 KM and 100 KM (and some speed in between)

And I was contesting a 111 KM ticket...

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#1470124 13-Jan-2016 15:41

Jase2985: how do you issue points via a speed camera If you cant prove who was driving?

my son could be 10 points from being disqualified and I could say it was me driving, there is no proof of that

Easy. The points always go to the car owner unless they can prove someone else was driving.

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#1470126 13-Jan-2016 15:44

nzkiwiman: Request the photo and see who was driving
In my previous job, if any of the pool cars got a spending camera fine then a picture was requested so the fine could be passed onto the driver

I was the passenger in a car when this happened - the driver was one of the UK consultants we had over at the time

This is especially so if the cameras are Truvelo cameras as they face the oncoming car.

Mind you I've been gone over 10 years so I am sure the tech has improved. I know the motorways are now festooned with NPR cameras that will read your plate as you pass, query the database and alert police as to your location if you are wanted, the car is stolen or there is no insurance on the vehicle etc etc.

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#1470161 13-Jan-2016 16:46

I had a successful holiday period of zero tickets, I also managed to have zero crashes.
It's a wonder how I can keep to the posted speed limits and not crash without needing something like a radar detector, who would have thought a simple requirement of having your state issued drivers licence was so easy to adhere to.

This whole keeping an eye on your speedo seems pretty simple and the most cost effective way to keep money in your pocket.

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#1470162 13-Jan-2016 16:47

Geektastic:
Jase2985: how do you issue points via a speed camera If you cant prove who was driving?

my son could be 10 points from being disqualified and I could say it was me driving, there is no proof of that

Easy. The points always go to the car owner unless they can prove someone else was driving.

but how can you prove that? its something that can lead to someone loosing their liscence

guilty until proven innocent, not the way it is suppose to work

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#1470190 13-Jan-2016 17:14

BrentR: I had a successful holiday period of zero tickets, I also managed to have zero crashes.
It's a wonder how I can keep to the posted speed limits and not crash without needing something like a radar detector, who would have thought a simple requirement of having your state issued drivers licence was so easy to adhere to.

This whole keeping an eye on your speedo seems pretty simple and the most cost effective way to keep money in your pocket.

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#1470203 13-Jan-2016 17:59

Jase2985: but how can you prove that? its something that can lead to someone loosing their liscence

Losing their licence... :-)

Jase2985: guilty until proven innocent, not the way it is suppose to work

Speeding is a strict liability offence, it's therefore up to you to challenge the charge. If you challenge successfully (which may or may not involve an appearance in Court before two JP's) you are not guilty. If you don't challenge or your challenge is unsuccessful you are guilty. Simple.

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#1470205 13-Jan-2016 18:04

Dratsab:
Jase2985: but how can you prove that? its something that can lead to someone loosing their liscence

Losing their licence... :-)

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#1470239 13-Jan-2016 18:40

Jase2985:
Geektastic:
Jase2985: how do you issue points via a speed camera If you cant prove who was driving?

my son could be 10 points from being disqualified and I could say it was me driving, there is no proof of that

Easy. The points always go to the car owner unless they can prove someone else was driving.

but how can you prove that? its something that can lead to someone loosing their liscence

guilty until proven innocent, not the way it is suppose to work

It's really simple. Many countries manage to do it and I am sure NZ can do so too.

1) YOU the car owner are responsible for what happens to your car. This includes speeding.

2) The ticket arrives addressed to you. You can fill it is saying "Not me - My wife/son/daughter/neighbour" AND IF YOU LIE YOU COMMIT PERJURY

3) The person you said was driving gets the ticket. They can defend it if they choose and one defence could be "I wasn't driving - he was" in which case the court will decide which of you is a lying toe rag

4) Most modern cameras photograph the driver and passenger. This makes lying a lot harder!

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