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  Reply # 1470844 14-Jan-2016 13:57
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MikeB4: 
The Government is elected to govern. Don't like it then buy an island and live there.


Why can't I not like it and still live here? Is there some kind of law against that?


Just think about what you are saying, the chaos and carnage that would ensue if people decide I don't agree with stop signs, I don't agree with keeping left of driving on the left,  I don't believe murder should be illegal.


Mike, you've misunderstood. I don't want those things to be *legal*. There are circumstances where killing a person is acceptable (e.g. as my instructor told me, as a pilot I can use the fire axe on a passenger or crew member). Despite this, there hasn't been a rush of people becoming pilots to invite their ex-wives (or fellow forum participants) to go flying.

Daily, people do ignore stop signs, cross the centreline, and break the law in dozens of ways. Yet there's remarkably little carnage and chaos.

All I'm saying is that, whilst the law is black and white, reality has shades of grey.


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  Reply # 1471092 14-Jan-2016 16:56
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Geektastic:

I even have an audible 'bong' in my car that goes off at 95!


Hope you don't get pulled over by an officer of the law, and performs a "misuse of drugs" search of your car ...

"I'm here, over here, in the glove box ...." ...

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My thoughts are no longer my own and is probably representative of our media-controlled government


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1471227 14-Jan-2016 18:29
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Geektastic:

I even have an audible 'bong' in my car that goes off at 95!


Hope you don't get pulled over by an officer of the law, and performs a "misuse of drugs" search of your car ...

"I'm here, over here, in the glove box ...." ...

:-)


I had to think about that quite a bit to figure out what your meaning was. :)




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  Reply # 1472295 15-Jan-2016 23:10
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Geektastic:

I even have an audible 'bong' in my car that goes off at 95!


Hope you don't get pulled over by an officer of the law, and performs a "misuse of drugs" search of your car ...

"I'm here, over here, in the glove box ...." ...

:-)


Had to think about that one for a minute...!

Not THAT kind of bong...





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  Reply # 1472298 15-Jan-2016 23:11
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Geektastic:
MikeB4:
Geektastic:
gzt: What is in the "speed awareness course" option and how does that work in practice?


You can read about that here

In essence a 4 hour course that costs you the same as the penalty (around $225 NZ equivalent) and means you do not get the penalty points.

You still have to disclose the speeding offence to your insurer and it is still likely to increase your annual premium.


There is a very easy,  non intrusive way to avoid all this that actually saves money as well


No argument from me there, I assure you.

I even have an audible 'bong' in my car that goes off at 95!


you do realise that your 95 bong is more likely to be about 90kph actual speed


Who cares? What difference does 5kmh make to anything whatsoever? People walk at that speed, that is how little it is.





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  Reply # 1472299 15-Jan-2016 23:14
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Geektastic: 

I agree the law is sometimes an ass. However, it is not up to you or I to simply decide that we will select which ones we obey, is it? If we do not like it, we must resort to lobbying governments and MP's.

Sometimes we can take direct action - but doing so by ignoring speed limits places others at risk (mainly because they are not expecting traffic to be doing speeds in excess of the limit so their behaviour will be predicated on that) so you can't really take direct action that way in this case.


I don't think that anyone (certainly not me) is advocating *ignoring* speed limits. Speed limits are (usually) a good approximation to a safe speed, and as you say, people have expectations of other traffic.

But I think it is up to the Police to not behave like asses in enforcing unreasonable laws.

As I've previously pointed out, it is impossible (practically speaking) to drive a car without breaking the law -- the law says that you must ensure a car is up to WoF standards before you drive it. It's not reasonable to expect that you check that your tail lights and horn work every time before you drive, and everyone breaks this law. A (reasonable) cop won't give you a ticket for a single failed tail light. They have discretion. By removing the discretion for speeds between 105-109kph, Police management are behaving like asses.

FWIW, back in the 1970s the speed limit was lowered to 80kph to save petrol. Despite ongoing lobbying by the AA and others, the Govt only increased the limit to 100kph when the average open road speed had crept up to 103kph (at which point the average dropped to 102kph). It was only because the law was widely ignored that the limit was increased.

Similarly, consider the whole gay rights thing... for decades homosexuality was illegal, but now it is not only legal, but something that the Govt (via marriage) sanctions. When did homosexuality suddenly become "right"? Was it ever "wrong"? Until the law was repealed, are you saying that gays should have behaved as if they were heterosexuals? And what caused the law to change? Was it lobbying the government and MPs? Or was it that the law was being ignored, and exposed as the donkey that it was?

So I think it *is* up to us to decide what laws we will obey. The Govt is not some mystical divinely-appointed all-knowing body... it's a way for people to collectively decide how to live together. Whilst the Govt and laws that we have are the best we can come up with (and a great deal better than many), they won't always be right (although usually about right).



Sorry but the police are obligated to enforce the law, not decide which ones they like any more than we can.

Can't help you with homosexuality: that one is as much a mystery to me as it is to you.





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  Reply # 1472301 15-Jan-2016 23:20
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MikeB4:
Geektastic:
MikeB4:
Geektastic:
gzt: What is in the "speed awareness course" option and how does that work in practice?


You can read about that here

In essence a 4 hour course that costs you the same as the penalty (around $225 NZ equivalent) and means you do not get the penalty points.

You still have to disclose the speeding offence to your insurer and it is still likely to increase your annual premium.


There is a very easy,  non intrusive way to avoid all this that actually saves money as well


No argument from me there, I assure you.

I even have an audible 'bong' in my car that goes off at 95!


It is going to be interesting to see how many drivers follow the rules for the new smart highway system for the Wellington urban motorway


That's exactly what they have had on sections of the M25 round London for at least 15 years if not longer. It works very well IF people obey the rules.

Are they doing it the same way and putting speed cameras on the gantries? SPECS cameras would work well for that and make them plenty of money from the eejits who can't obey speed limits....





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  Reply # 1472313 15-Jan-2016 23:49
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Geektastic:

I even have an audible 'bong' in my car that goes off at 95!


Hope you don't get pulled over by an officer of the law, and performs a "misuse of drugs" search of your car ...

"I'm here, over here, in the glove box ...." ...

:-)

Ha ha - got it straight away. The Misuse of Drugs Act searches you're referring to went out the window in 2012. It's Search and Surveillance Act now :-)

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  Reply # 1472357 16-Jan-2016 06:46
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Geektastic:Who cares? What difference does 5kmh make to anything whatsoever? People walk at that speed, that is how little it is.


its the difference between you being one of those prick slow drivers and not, and its the difference between travelling the speed limit and then speeding

so yes 5kph makes a big difference

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  Reply # 1472382 16-Jan-2016 08:36
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Geektastic:Who cares? What difference does 5kmh make to anything whatsoever? People walk at that speed, that is how little it is.


its the difference between you being one of those prick slow drivers and not, and its the difference between travelling the speed limit and then speeding

so yes 5kph makes a big difference


Just to be clear. Driving at 95km/h makes someone a prick?

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  Reply # 1472385 16-Jan-2016 08:38
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Geektastic:Who cares? What difference does 5kmh make to anything whatsoever? People walk at that speed, that is how little it is.


its the difference between you being one of those prick slow drivers and not, and its the difference between travelling the speed limit and then speeding

so yes 5kph makes a big difference


On a trip it makes little difference a few minutes. Intercity nearly noticeable. I have seen drivers rage over the car in front making them "think" they are only doing 95kmh, ridiculous, chill out enjoy the ride and scenery and as a bonus save some money.




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  Reply # 1472525 16-Jan-2016 11:49
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Jase2985:
Geektastic:Who cares? What difference does 5kmh make to anything whatsoever? People walk at that speed, that is how little it is.


its the difference between you being one of those prick slow drivers and not, and its the difference between travelling the speed limit and then speeding

so yes 5kph makes a big difference


Just to be clear. Driving at 95km/h makes someone a prick?


I never mentioned a speed but IMO if you are driving at less than 90kph in a 100kph zone then yes you are a prick.

When you are taught to drive in NZ you get marked down on your licence tests for driving over the speed limit, and for also driving too far below the speed limit, generally in the range of 5kph.

I dont know why people choose to drive below 90kph on the open road give the speed limit is 100kph, and given the government and its associated departments have deemed those roads to be safe to travel at those speed, but people seem to think they know better than those trained experts and they need to drive solower for what ever reason.

I generally work on a 10% tolerance for speed, if you are going more than 10% below the posted speed limit you need to pull over and get out of others way because you are in some cases as dangerous as those going 10% over the speed limit.



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  Reply # 1472526 16-Jan-2016 11:53
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Jase2985:
Geektastic:Who cares? What difference does 5kmh make to anything whatsoever? People walk at that speed, that is how little it is.


its the difference between you being one of those prick slow drivers and not, and its the difference between travelling the speed limit and then speeding

so yes 5kph makes a big difference


On a trip it makes little difference a few minutes. Intercity nearly noticeable. I have seen drivers rage over the car in front making them "think" they are only doing 95kmh, ridiculous, chill out enjoy the ride and scenery and as a bonus save some money.


some people are not driving to enjoy the scenery though and when one is driving they should be concentrating on the road and their mirrors not the scenery. they are off to a meeting, off to catch a ferry or what ever and the extra 10 mins can/does have an impact. and before you say leave earlier, that is also not always possible either.

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  Reply # 1472539 16-Jan-2016 12:07
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MikeB4:
Jase2985:
Geektastic:Who cares? What difference does 5kmh make to anything whatsoever? People walk at that speed, that is how little it is.


its the difference between you being one of those prick slow drivers and not, and its the difference between travelling the speed limit and then speeding

so yes 5kph makes a big difference


On a trip it makes little difference a few minutes. Intercity nearly noticeable. I have seen drivers rage over the car in front making them "think" they are only doing 95kmh, ridiculous, chill out enjoy the ride and scenery and as a bonus save some money.


some people are not driving to enjoy the scenery though and when one is driving they should be concentrating on the road and their mirrors not the scenery. they are off to a meeting, off to catch a ferry or what ever and the extra 10 mins can/does have an impact. and before you say leave earlier, that is also not always possible either.


One of the things they stressed in Defensive Driving was, plan your trip and allow plenty of time, rushing is never good. I am not trying to be a ***** but I believe every driver should drive to the rules and to the conditions, remembering 100kmh is the maximum not the minimum. And I did a lot of driving for my work.




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  Reply # 1472547 16-Jan-2016 12:14
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Jase2985:
Geektastic:Who cares? What difference does 5kmh make to anything whatsoever? People walk at that speed, that is how little it is.


its the difference between you being one of those prick slow drivers and not, and its the difference between travelling the speed limit and then speeding

so yes 5kph makes a big difference


Just to be clear. Driving at 95km/h makes someone a prick?


I never mentioned a speed but IMO if you are driving at less than 90kph in a 100kph zone then yes you are a prick.

When you are taught to drive in NZ you get marked down on your licence tests for driving over the speed limit, and for also driving too far below the speed limit, generally in the range of 5kph.

I dont know why people choose to drive below 90kph on the open road give the speed limit is 100kph, and given the government and its associated departments have deemed those roads to be safe to travel at those speed, but people seem to think they know better than those trained experts and they need to drive solower for what ever reason.

I generally work on a 10% tolerance for speed, if you are going more than 10% below the posted speed limit you need to pull over and get out of others way because you are in some cases as dangerous as those going 10% over the speed limit.




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