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  Reply # 1442212 7-Dec-2015 17:23
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I have an Ozzie womans voice in the car that tells me when I creep 3km over the limit. It is enough to make you slow down. I think though we near as low as the road toll can go without improving the roads, and getting people to not travel so close to the car behind. Some NZ roads are dangerous, and it is fairly clear that sepdning more on some roads will save lives. Look at centennial highway which used to have a high rate of deaths, they installed one of those wire rope barriers down the middle quite a few years ago, and I don't believe there has been a life lost since then. That can solely be attributed to spending money opn making the road safer, and separating oncoming traffic .

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  Reply # 1442224 7-Dec-2015 17:36
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mattwnz: I have an Ozzie womans voice in the car that tells me when I creep 3km over the limit. It is enough to make you slow down. I think though we near as low as the road toll can go without improving the roads, and getting people to not travel so close to the car behind. Some NZ roads are dangerous, and it is fairly clear that sepdning more on some roads will save lives. Look at centennial highway which used to have a high rate of deaths, they installed one of those wire rope barriers down the middle quite a few years ago, and I don't believe there has been a life lost since then. That can solely be attributed to spending money opn making the road safer, and separating oncoming traffic .

Those barriers are life savers, certain sections of NZ roads should have them on the shoulder as well, 50+ meter drops are way too common...

My current car's nav would beep 3 times if I go 5 k above limit (also beeps approaching fixed pole camera with a lower tone), and it's using GPS speed so more reliable than speedo. I left the annoying setting on (it also dials down music volume while beeping), so I can watch out on the real road rather than worry about doing 54 in a 50 zone all the time.

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  Reply # 1442234 7-Dec-2015 18:17
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hangon:
Those barriers are life savers, certain sections of NZ roads should have them on the shoulder as well, 50+ meter drops are way too common...


Apparently they are like cheese graters to motor cyclists to may hit them. But that is probably a small price, and  motor cyclists should stay away from them, by not overtaking and speeding past on the right like I find many do.

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  Reply # 1442248 7-Dec-2015 18:30
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mattwnz:
hangon:
Those barriers are life savers, certain sections of NZ roads should have them on the shoulder as well, 50+ meter drops are way too common...


Apparently they are like cheese graters to motor cyclists to may hit them. But that is probably a small price, and  motor cyclists should stay away from them, by not overtaking and speeding past on the right like I find many do.


This isn't true. I was involved in a presentation from the NZTA and there's no evidence that the barriers have directly resulted in causing fatal injuries to motorcyclists.

They're not sure of the origin of this information, apparently just one of those concepts that spreads and people believe.




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  Reply # 1442305 7-Dec-2015 19:19
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MikeB4:

I would like to see proactive action regarding...
1. Intersection compliance.
2. keeping left unless passing.
3. inconsiderate slow drivers. (that does not mean all slow drivers)
4. use of indicators and driving with fog lights on during fine weather.



OK, I buy that there are plausible arguments with the others (and I agree with you on them), but what's the safety risk due to a person having their fog lights on on a fine day?

Yes, it's a bit silly, but a safety risk?

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  Reply # 1442310 7-Dec-2015 19:30
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JimmyH:
MikeB4:

I would like to see proactive action regarding...
1. Intersection compliance.
2. keeping left unless passing.
3. inconsiderate slow drivers. (that does not mean all slow drivers)
4. use of indicators and driving with fog lights on during fine weather.



OK, I buy that there are plausible arguments with the others (and I agree with you on them), but what's the safety risk due to a person having their fog lights on on a fine day?

Yes, it's a bit silly, but a safety risk?


They can dazzle oncoming drivers




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  Reply # 1442314 7-Dec-2015 19:43
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MikeB4:
JimmyH:
MikeB4:

I would like to see proactive action regarding...
1. Intersection compliance.
2. keeping left unless passing.
3. inconsiderate slow drivers. (that does not mean all slow drivers)
4. use of indicators and driving with fog lights on during fine weather.



OK, I buy that there are plausible arguments with the others (and I agree with you on them), but what's the safety risk due to a person having their fog lights on on a fine day?

Yes, it's a bit silly, but a safety risk?


They can dazzle oncoming drivers


Maybe, But I'll use my fog light on when on the open road. The car isn't fitted with DRL's, so as a perceived safety\being visible to oncoming traffic, I'll use them.

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  Reply # 1442317 7-Dec-2015 19:49
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WyleECoyoteNZ:
MikeB4:
JimmyH:
MikeB4:

I would like to see proactive action regarding...
1. Intersection compliance.
2. keeping left unless passing.
3. inconsiderate slow drivers. (that does not mean all slow drivers)
4. use of indicators and driving with fog lights on during fine weather.



OK, I buy that there are plausible arguments with the others (and I agree with you on them), but what's the safety risk due to a person having their fog lights on on a fine day?

Yes, it's a bit silly, but a safety risk?


They can dazzle oncoming drivers


Maybe, But I'll use my fog light on when on the open road. The car isn't fitted with DRL's, so as a perceived safety\being visible to oncoming traffic, I'll use them.


Use your headlamps on dip. From memory it's a $500 fine for wrongful use of fog lamps. Possible it would cost less than the fine to get daytime driving lamps




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  Reply # 1442324 7-Dec-2015 20:12
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Any recommendations for an Android app for monitoring speed and sound alerts?

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  Reply # 1442334 7-Dec-2015 20:46
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MikeB4:
WyleECoyoteNZ:
MikeB4:
JimmyH:
MikeB4:

I would like to see proactive action regarding...
1. Intersection compliance.
2. keeping left unless passing.
3. inconsiderate slow drivers. (that does not mean all slow drivers)
4. use of indicators and driving with fog lights on during fine weather.



OK, I buy that there are plausible arguments with the others (and I agree with you on them), but what's the safety risk due to a person having their fog lights on on a fine day?

Yes, it's a bit silly, but a safety risk?


They can dazzle oncoming drivers


Maybe, But I'll use my fog light on when on the open road. The car isn't fitted with DRL's, so as a perceived safety\being visible to oncoming traffic, I'll use them.


Use your headlamps on dip. From memory it's a $500 fine for wrongful use of fog lamps. Possible it would cost less than the fine to get daytime driving lamps


The fine is $150. I've been moaning to the NZTA for many years about inappropriate use of fog lights at night and since the Rule change the lack of enforcement but I don't see that there is the same problem in daylight.

Hmm, what to write...
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  Reply # 1442483 8-Dec-2015 08:41
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Bung:
The fine is $150. I've been moaning to the NZTA for many years about inappropriate use of fog lights at night and since the Rule change the lack of enforcement but I don't see that there is the same problem in daylight.


If the road is wet Fog lights reflect off the road badly.

The problem is those that drive with fog light on during the day don't turn them off as evening comes on.

And anyway it is an offence. If you drive with fog lights on or drive faster than 100km/h you have a propensity to break the law and therefore are not a fit and proper person to:
Drive
Fly a plane
Be an Electrician
Own a firearm
Have children
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  Reply # 1442521 8-Dec-2015 10:14
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mdooher: 

And anyway it is an offence. If you drive with fog lights on or drive faster than 100km/h you have a propensity to break the law and therefore are not a fit and proper person to:
Drive
Fly a plane
Be an Electrician
Own a firearm
Have children
Vote




If you would never dream of breaking any law under any circumstances, you may have a propensity to be an unquestioning drone who mindlessly votes for a totalitarian leader who will wreak havoc and destruction upon the world and all its peoples. You are therefore not a fit and proper person to:
Participate in elections
Make decisions about anything
Own a firearm
Have children
Exist





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  Reply # 1442524 8-Dec-2015 10:23
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Rikkitic:
mdooher: 

And anyway it is an offence. If you drive with fog lights on or drive faster than 100km/h you have a propensity to break the law and therefore are not a fit and proper person to:
Drive
Fly a plane
Be an Electrician
Own a firearm
Have children
Vote




If you would never dream of breaking any law under any circumstances, you may have a propensity to be an unquestioning drone who mindlessly votes for a totalitarian leader who will wreak havoc and destruction upon the world and all its peoples. You are therefore not a fit and proper person to:
Participate in elections
Make decisions about anything
Own a firearm
Have children
Exist



Or you are aware that the privilege of driving costs a fortune and that optional charges like fines etc can easily be avoided. Which makes one maybe an aware, rational thinking person qualified ...

"Participate in elections
Make decisions about anything
Own a firearm
Have children
Exist" 




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  Reply # 1442531 8-Dec-2015 10:32
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mdooher:
Bung:
The fine is $150. I've been moaning to the NZTA for many years about inappropriate use of fog lights at night and since the Rule change the lack of enforcement but I don't see that there is the same problem in daylight.


If the road is wet Fog lights reflect off the road badly.

The problem is those that drive with fog light on during the day don't turn them off as evening comes on.

And anyway it is an offence. If you drive with fog lights on or drive faster than 100km/h you have a propensity to break the law and therefore are not a fit and proper person to:
Drive
Fly a plane
Be an Electrician
Own a firearm
Have children
Vote








I'll take the $150 fine. It's the lesser cost. And just to upset you further, I don't turn them off at night either.
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https://cdn.geekzone.co.nz/imagessubs/a1d4a1594cac51576eb3bcc6f7f60721.jpg

To be clear, these are the 'Fog' lights as factory standard on my particular model of car, highlighted in yellow

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  Reply # 1442562 8-Dec-2015 11:22
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MikeB4: 
Or you are aware that the privilege of driving costs a fortune and that optional charges like fines etc can easily be avoided. Which makes one maybe an aware, rational thinking person ...
 


A rational thinking person knows that the law is a blunt instrument which at best is approximately right. As such, Harry Day & Douglas Bader's wise words apply:

"Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men."


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