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  #1485307 4-Feb-2016 16:13
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Budget?

 
 
 

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  #1485309 4-Feb-2016 16:14
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I can personally recommend BMW Wagons, Audi Wagons, and Subaru Wagons (I've owned 3, my wife has owned one and my inlaws have owned 2). 

 

In the cost effective range, I'd probably buy a Subuaru Outback, or Mazda 6. 

 

I love Audi's (My favourite car ever was an S4 Avant v8), but with your requirements I'd get an A4 not an S4 (Very thirsty, great performance and handling). 

 

2011 BMW Wagons, great problem is they have a STUPIDLY small Boot, the 2015 wagons are a massive improvement in this area.

 

When we replace my wifes Subaru, I will be seriously considering an Outback, and a Mazda 6. I will seriously be looking at diesel as well as my Twin Turbo 3L BMW Diesel is probably the most overall impressive car I've owned (Nothing beats the S4 for overall).

 

 

 

You don't make mention of a budget, which to be fair would be a fairly important factor in making a recommendation.


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  #1485310 4-Feb-2016 16:14
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The newer honda odyssey station wagons are very very nice cars. Or passat wagon?




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  #1485326 4-Feb-2016 16:33
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Budget wise, it's not fixed in stone, but I've generally been looking around the $15-$16K mark, working on the basis of a $3-$4k trade in on my current car (possibly wishful thinking), bringing the net cost to around $10k.  There may be scope to increase the budget, though.  The Legacy wagon that I liked was a 2010 model with 130,000kms for $14k, but the high kms made me nervous regarding upcoming service issues.

 

Fuel efficiency is an interesting one.  The Altezza gets reasonably decent fuel economy on the open road (around 11.8km/l) but it's not so great in the city (7km/l).  A few years back I used to do mostly open-road driving which meant the fuel economy is fine, but now I'm mostly doing city driving.  As far as fuel economy is concerned, provided any replacement doesn't do worse than 7km/l  for city driving I'd be happy.

 

 


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  #1485327 4-Feb-2016 16:36
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Lizard1977:

 

Budget wise, it's not fixed in stone, but I've generally been looking around the $15-$16K mark, working on the basis of a $3-$4k trade in on my current car (possibly wishful thinking), bringing the net cost to around $10k.  There may be scope to increase the budget, though.  The Legacy wagon that I liked was a 2010 model with 130,000kms for $14k, but the high kms made me nervous regarding upcoming service issues.

 

Fuel efficiency is an interesting one.  The Altezza gets reasonably decent fuel economy on the open road (around 11.8km/l) but it's not so great in the city (7km/l).  A few years back I used to do mostly open-road driving which meant the fuel economy is fine, but now I'm mostly doing city driving.  As far as fuel economy is concerned, provided any replacement doesn't do worse than 7km/l  for city driving I'd be happy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do NOT buy a Euro car with that budget. Not under ANY circumstances, unless those are free repairs for the next 3 years.

 

I'd be surprised if you can stay under budget and tick your boxes and get a reliable car with reasonable KM's. I'd suggest you'd need at LEAST another 4-6K


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  #1485328 4-Feb-2016 16:37
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Get a Legacy, they are the best in this space by far. I still have a 1992 that runs like a dream. Just remember to maintain them like you should any other vehicle.


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  #1485335 4-Feb-2016 16:45
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I religiously service my car every 6 months, and that wouldn't change with a new car.  If I did go for a Legacy, though, it sounds like servicing might be more expensive...

 

Probably would also look at mechanical warranty/insurance for 3 years to guard against big things failing.




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Lizard1977:

 

Budget wise, it's not fixed in stone, but I've generally been looking around the $15-$16K mark, working on the basis of a $3-$4k trade in on my current car (possibly wishful thinking), bringing the net cost to around $10k.  There may be scope to increase the budget, though.  The Legacy wagon that I liked was a 2010 model with 130,000kms for $14k, but the high kms made me nervous regarding upcoming service issues.

 

Fuel efficiency is an interesting one.  The Altezza gets reasonably decent fuel economy on the open road (around 11.8km/l) but it's not so great in the city (7km/l).  A few years back I used to do mostly open-road driving which meant the fuel economy is fine, but now I'm mostly doing city driving.  As far as fuel economy is concerned, provided any replacement doesn't do worse than 7km/l  for city driving I'd be happy.

 

 

 

 

1. You need to go Jap [not aware of Korean cars in that range, maybe the gutless i40]

 

2. All Jap wagons in that price has bland interior with few exceptions.

 

3. Options:

 

- Subaru Legacy - I drove a near new rental and the CVT is jerky. So I'd say get one that hasn't been abused, eg a one owner middle aged man/woman. The old subarus are very hard to work on because you have to dismantle the car to get to anything. Luckily all new cars are like that now, so it's evened out. I believe the current series Legacy (FB engine) has a chain driven engine and had its engine bay redesigned to be more accessible. I have one of these and they are so planted on the road. Reason for Subaru - random South Island frosty conditions [I didn't say icy - if it's icy nothing will work]. I do baby the transmission though ...

 

- Subaru Outback

 

- Mazda 6 - love the new model, don't like the look of the old one but might be the one in your budget range

 

- Nissan Primera

 

- Toyota Avensis/Mark X

 

- Honda Accord


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Cheap parts? Wait until you get your first serious Subaru bill when the AWD starts to hop the axles :o)

 

The most reliable I've had was a Nissan Stagea. Great sized boot, plenty of grunt, simple rear wheel drive setup and really comfy. I'd suggest taking one for a drive.

 

Mine is now going to the wreckers but it lasted me just on 20 years with only oil changes, brakes/rotors and cambelts/water pump and tie-rod boot replacements. Even the rear axle CV boots lasted the length of the car.

 

 

 

I now have a Subaru Outback 5 speed dual range. It's okay. The VCU in the centre diff becomes a few grand to fix when it packs up over 150,000K's and can take the gearbox with it. The automatic versions start to have multiplate clutch problems but I believe on the newer models you insert a 20A fuse under the bonnet to force 2WD mode until that can be fixed.

 

I'm looking at doing my flywheel and clutch... from Subaru... $1,200 for the flywheel, $500 for the clutch kit and about $600 labour to pull either the engine or gearbox. Doesn't matter they both take about as long.

 

The one I bought has ground wires between the engine heads and the chassis to help stop the typical early deterioration of the head gaskets in the boxer.

 

I have to say though, the seats in the Subaru Outback are really hard compared to the super comfort level of the Stagea. After an hour my rear starts to get uncomfortable and numb in the Outback. In the Stagea I could do a trip from Invercargill to Christchurch and not have to stretch my legs along the way.

 

So why didn't I stick with Stagea? The price was right on the Subaru and I bought it knowing it will soon need the gearbox pulled. Also the dual range is a fun car to drive if you like towing. You can tow up to highway speeds in lo range as it's not a proper lo range and doesn't lock the centre diff like most 4x4's do. Still economical enough though around town in the 5 speed for me. Uses about 30% less juice than my Stagea which was also a 2.5 used. But it was an auto and 6 cylinder.


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  #1485380 4-Feb-2016 17:42
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Another vote for Toyota Avensis.

 

I have had a 2007 auto for 5 years as a work car, without any problems.


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  #1485382 4-Feb-2016 17:44
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I love my Avensis, have had them both here and in Norway. They are very reliable, inexpensive to service and quite roomy.

 

Looks like you can get the next-to-latest generation somewhat inside of your budget:

 

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/toyota/auction-1027009365.htm

 

 





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If reliable and cheap are your main criteria above all else, go with an Avensis. They're great at it. Personally, I'd go Legacy. Actually, I think I'll go Levorg...


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kiwirock:

 

Cheap parts? Wait until you get your first serious Subaru bill when the AWD starts to hop the axles :o)

 

 

 

 

Yikes, how old [which series/gen] was that subaru?


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No one has mentioned a Commodore or Falcon wagon. Plenty of space, reliable, easy to maintain. Rear wheel drive, no CV joint issues etc. Parts are plentiful and cheap.

 

Mine's done 330,000 km and is still very reliable, I'd certainly be looking at these as an option.

 

I'd expect 10.5 km/l on the open road and 7.5 km/l around town. My 2003 VY Commodore 3.8l sedan does those numbers easily, I often see 12 km/l on the open road and rarely see less than 8.5 km/l around town. YMMV

 

The newer 3.6l engines are even better.

 

 





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networkn: 

 

Do NOT buy a Euro car with that budget. Not under ANY circumstances, unless those are free repairs for the next 3 years.

 

 

Oh, do me a favour ! This as as ridiculous a statement as anything I have read from that muppet who writes the D&L guide. I think I'm on my 13th BMW now over 20 years and I own three currently.

 

There is only one car I would consider and it's an e39 BMW 530i touring. Simply all the car you will ever need, you'll pick up a great one for well under $15k. Less than $10k if you know where to look and it leaves plenty of cash to take care of any minor niggles.

 

I just picked up an 03 X5, 3.0i petrol with 180k on the clock. It has a full service history and it is MINT. $9000. Wish I'd bought one years ago.

 

 


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