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Circumspice
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#2157290 9-Jan-2019 23:05

Fair enough @markh67

However, with any of these new EVs, all we can do is extrapolate from previous EVs with similar thermal management tech. Liquid cooling has a robust and long (in EV terms!) history of minimal degradation (Tesla, Chevrolet) that makes it very attractive, especially while new EVs still cost northwards of NZ$60k - quite a gamble, albeit mitigated by manufacturer's warranty.

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#2157345 10-Jan-2019 09:54

OK, so we've now got some pricing on the e+ in japan and EU

Let’s start with Japan. The base Nissan LEAF e+ will start from ¥4,162,320 (around $38,370).

In the case of Europe, Nissan announced two Limited Edition versions for “old” and new version:

LEAF 3.ZERO (40 kWh) – from €39,900 (orders now, deliveries from May)
LEAF 3.ZERO e+ (62 kWh) – from €45,500 (orders now, deliveries from Summer)

https://insideevs.com/nissan-announces-leaf-e-price-europe-japan/

So it looks like there is a ~5,500 Euro price difference, so that's ~10K NZD,

If they can price the 40Kw leaf in just under 60K we could see the 60KWh version for around 70K, - which would lot in pretty reasonably with the long range Kona sitting at ~75K

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#2163974 20-Jan-2019 09:07

Does anyone have any recommendations for roof racks and roof boxes for a 2016?

RUKI

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#2166987 24-Jan-2019 15:06

FYI

I am observing new arrivals of 30kWH Leafs from Japan which fall under firmware upgrade campaign according to their frame number and which are arriving being already upgraded in Japan.

FYI

But what you may not have been aware of - SOH "issue" was also known with 24kWh batteries:

ZEO Leafs 24kWh with LBC 293A0-3NA0B - had firmware upgrade to fix Battery Map (and SOH) been issued ages ago.

Those have also been upgraded in Japan to version 3NA0D.

Let me know if you come acros 3NA0B in Auckland - we can apply official firmware from Nissan - to see if SOH will jump up.

I am just curious if that is what was originally planned - to "hide" some capacity and then being able to "fix it".

If that assumption is true - then expect similar "tricks" to be played with other makes and models (not only Nissan) to avoid premature warranty battery replacements.

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#2173821 6-Feb-2019 09:45

I'm trying again to get my UK-import 2018 Leaf to connect to You+Nissan (UK) so I can use the bevy of smartphone apps to check charge state etc.

Has anyone else with a UK import gotten any of this telemetry stuff to work in NZ?

Cybnate

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#2173859 6-Feb-2019 11:47

I looked and queried around on this topic 2 years ago. I understand it requires cooperation from Nissan locally. Given that almost all Leafs pre 2018 are imported the chances are slim this will ever happen.

For the real nerds there is this though: https://www.openvehicles.com/ Not recommend for most car owners yet.

Basically adding your own integration module to the car and using non-Nissan communication access points.

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#2174111 6-Feb-2019 18:53

kelly42:
I'm trying again to get my UK-import 2018 Leaf to connect to You+Nissan (UK) so I can use the bevy of smartphone apps to check charge state etc.

Has anyone else with a UK import gotten any of this telemetry stuff to work in NZ?

I use openvehicles hardware in my car. It plugs into the odb2 port just like a LeafSpy dongle and let’s you use an app to see the charge state and start the climate control remotely. If you are geeky you can also use the api to do the same from your own apps and scripts.

I wrote a script to terminate charging at 70% for example on my 30kwh 2016 X.

kingdragonfly

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#2174144 6-Feb-2019 20:16

Nissan Fixes Rapidgate Charging Issue With Software Update: What To Expect
Transport Evolved

For 2018 / 2019 Leafs, by Nissan dealers.

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#2174309 7-Feb-2019 11:03

RUKI:

FYI

I am observing new arrivals of 30kWH Leafs from Japan which fall under firmware upgrade campaign according to their frame number and which are arriving being already upgraded in Japan.

FYI

But what you may not have been aware of - SOH "issue" was also known with 24kWh batteries:

ZEO Leafs 24kWh with LBC 293A0-3NA0B - had firmware upgrade to fix Battery Map (and SOH) been issued ages ago.

Those have also been upgraded in Japan to version 3NA0D.

We have recently picked up a 2013 24kWh Leaf from AutoLinkCars in Auckland. The battery health is not great but sufficient for us however I'd like to be sure we are getting the most from the car. The Battery ECU version (under LeafSpy) is listed as 3NK0B 0208 HV BATTERY. Would you consider this version a "out-of-date"? and have you managed to find any test candidates?!

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#2174345 7-Feb-2019 11:08

happyfunball:
kelly42:

I'm trying again to get my UK-import 2018 Leaf to connect to You+Nissan (UK) so I can use the bevy of smartphone apps to check charge state etc.

Has anyone else with a UK import gotten any of this telemetry stuff to work in NZ?

I use openvehicles hardware in my car. It plugs into the odb2 port just like a LeafSpy dongle and let’s you use an app to see the charge state and start the climate control remotely. If you are geeky you can also use the api to do the same from your own apps and scripts.

I wrote a script to terminate charging at 70% for example on my 30kwh 2016 X.

Hi, is it a technical job to install and use the openvehicles hardware? The ability to terminate charging at 70-75% would be wonderful! I currently do it by altering the charge timer and/or charge amperage - which is a bit of a pain.

Thanks.

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#2174425 7-Feb-2019 13:54

I also have a ZEO 24kwh Leaf, id be keen to know if there was/is a SW update.

Since we imported it in Nov last year (3months) its lost just over 4% (75% -> 70.8%), although it was fast charged before i took the initial reading its only been slow charged ever since. I understand this boosts the SOH temporarily.

Maybe I need more data to draw any real conclusion. Last month was a loss of about 1.1%

kelly42

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#2174427 7-Feb-2019 14:02

Cybnate: I looked and queried around on this topic 2 years ago. I understand it requires cooperation from Nissan locally. Given that almost all Leafs pre 2018 are imported the chances are slim this will ever happen.

Thanks, all, for the guidance here. Openvehicles looks pretty cool!

In the end I persisted with Nissan UK's website and many app versions. After some frustrations I was able to complete the ownership check and the car is now accessible to me using the You+Nissan system. For me this means the "Carwings" (now You+Nissan), My Leaf, and Leaf Manager apps, all of which have their pluses and minuses. At least there is some logging and I can turn on the A/C before I leave work at the end of the day :)

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#2174936 8-Feb-2019 11:20

kelly42:

I'm trying again to get my UK-import 2018 Leaf to connect to You+Nissan (UK) so I can use the bevy of smartphone apps to check charge state etc.

Has anyone else with a UK import gotten any of this telemetry stuff to work in NZ?

I tried intensively a year ago to get this set up. It was looking good until it appears my car reports the GPS position of the vehicle to Nissan and it sees it as out of territory.......so I gave up.

There is a mod possible for the head unit so you can use a different, open, method.....but I wasn't up for pulling things apart and adding wires. I was too busy at that point, being in OZ 4 days a week for most of 6 months.

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happyfunball

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#2175420 9-Feb-2019 12:24

kelly42:

Thanks, all, for the guidance here. Openvehicles looks pretty cool!

In the end I persisted with Nissan UK's website and many app versions. After some frustrations I was able to complete the ownership check and the car is now accessible to me using the You+Nissan system. For me this means the "Carwings" (now You+Nissan), My Leaf, and Leaf Manager apps, all of which have their pluses and minuses. At least there is some logging and I can turn on the A/C before I leave work at the end of the day :)

Thats great, I didn't realize it was possible to get the TCU working in NZ. Certainly the Japanese one won't work because of the different cellular network.

OpenVehicles works great but is a bit of a chore to setup for climate control. I had to manually unplug the TCU which is up against the wall on the drivers side. Its not easy to get your hands up there, and now handsfree calling is disabled. Thats ok by me though, I'd rather have the climate control :)

happyfunball

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#2175422 9-Feb-2019 12:31

Elliemay:

Hi, is it a technical job to install and use the openvehicles hardware? The ability to terminate charging at 70-75% would be wonderful! I currently do it by altering the charge timer and/or charge amperage - which is a bit of a pain.

Thanks.

The hardware just reports the charge level and lets you start climate control remotely. I have a home automation system (Home Assistant) which runs on an old mac mini in my closet, it reads the charge and shuts off the power outlet when it reaches 70%. So you have to be able to control the outlet and read the charge. Alternately I think there are some wallpod chargers that can do this, but it will cost a lot more. My setup is about $200 for the parts.

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