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  Reply # 2214292 10-Apr-2019 11:03
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lowlyworm:

 

Not buying a 40kWh car has saved us $20,000+.  That's a lot of rental car if we ever needed it.

 

 

Agreed. Few Aucklanders have a longer commute than me, and I reckon my 30kWh Leaf will still get me to work and back without a charge during the day down to about 75% SOH at least.

 

 

In the long run though as cell and pack prices decrease along with increased volume, I guess 60kWh+ will become the norm which is good too, because even if you only needed 24kWh for your normal driving, that means the car is going to last longer before you need a replacement battery - e.g. a 60kWh battery at 50% SOH is only just reaching the capacity of my car straight from the factory, so I could run a 60kWh car maybe for 10 years before I would *need* to think about replacing the battery.




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  Reply # 2214423 10-Apr-2019 15:05
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I suppose the NZ-new Nissan Leaf will also have a long wait time, but seriously, why buy 40kWh when NZ-new 64kWh is already here for probably much the same price as the new Leaf will be? I realise that 270km is a good range, but wouldn't it make sense to go for 455km range?

 

 

The NZ-new EV's will never be cost competitive with imports, and probably never are.  You pay a premium for NZ-new in exchange for a better warranty etc.  Their market is businesses who can get a tax benefit for buying new vehicles, not the average driver.  

 

The 40kwh models do not have a long wait in other markets, Nissan is actually serious about making and selling EV's.  They are the most serious EV maker in right hand drive markets.  It's quite possible there will be no huge wait for the 60kwh Leaf, given its much higher price there may be far fewer takers.  

 

The Kona and e-Golf are just placeholders, they are not going to be mass produced.  VW claims that it will get serious about EV's in 2020 and by then the Tesla model 3 should be available in right-hand drive markets.  Its anyones guess when the Kona will be mass produced but I suspect its just a marketing effort to tell shareholders 'please don't worry about Tesla, look at us!' similar to the e-golf.

 

So by the end of next year, there should be a few choices for NZ-new cars.  Don't expect great pricing though, NZ-new cars are not great value if you don't get a tax benefit.

 

Realistically we will continue to buy used cars from Japan and some from the UK, so whatever sells there is what's going to be available here a few years later at a reasonable price.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2214438 10-Apr-2019 15:34
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I worry that Nissan NZ is as damned with the 2018 as they were with the 2012.

 

Kiwi's are simply cheap skates and won't pay the 60 kw price (and probably not the 40kw price either). As a country, we seldom put our money where our mouths are.

 

While every current EV owner appreciates that 40 kw has a perfectly adequate range for 90% of motorists, my ICE driving friends are totally tunnel focused on 500km range, and the cost of that capability prohibits EV ownership in their minds. The mindset shift of not actively waiting for an EV to recharge on a forecourt somewhere is beyond their imaginations. 


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  Reply # 2214457 10-Apr-2019 15:56
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I worry that Nissan NZ is as damned with the 2018 as they were with the 2012.

 

Kiwi's are simply cheap skates and won't pay the 60 kw price (and probably not the 40kw price either). As a country, we seldom put our money where our mouths are.

 

While every current EV owner appreciates that 40 kw has a perfectly adequate range for 90% of motorists, my ICE driving friends are totally tunnel focused on 500km range, and the cost of that capability prohibits EV ownership in their minds. The mindset shift of not actively waiting for an EV to recharge on a forecourt somewhere is beyond their imaginations. 

 

 

The NZ EV market in 2018 is hugely different to what it was in 2012.

 

in 2012 Leafs were a huge punt for an existing car manufacturer, they have now sold over 400,000 of them,

 

Nissan will know how many 2nd hand leafs are crossing the wharves, and what the age (and rough cost) they are....

 

If they have a good marketing team ( and good pricing) they should be able to score some reasonable fleet sales to help their numbers along...


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By any chance, does anyone know what equipment is required to install the 30 kwh firmware update ?

 

Is it pushed via OBD or Nissan Consult ?


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  Reply # 2217620 15-Apr-2019 19:51
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tripper1000:

I worry that Nissan NZ is as damned with the 2018 as they were with the 2012.


Kiwi's are simply cheap skates and won't pay the 60 kw price (and probably not the 40kw price either). As a country, we seldom put our money where our mouths are.


While every current EV owner appreciates that 40 kw has a perfectly adequate range for 90% of motorists, my ICE driving friends are totally tunnel focused on 500km range, and the cost of that capability prohibits EV ownership in their minds. The mindset shift of not actively waiting for an EV to recharge on a forecourt somewhere is beyond their imaginations. 



Not always a case of putting your money where your mouth is though... forking out $4,000 for a cutting edge gaming PC is one thing, $60,000 on a car is something completely different!

I have never bought a new car, or smelt more than 15,000 on a second hand one...

Not everyone can afford a new car, and be able to weather the depreciation in those first few years, but I bought an 11 bar 2011 Leaf 2 years ago now, and will not only have saved the last 50,000kms ‘carbon’ damage, but an already over half way to having paid it off on the fuel saved alone.

Money saved AND clean driving made great sense to us, but I won’t get a 60KW Leaf till it too is around $15,000 on the second hand market, and will continue to happily do Akl to Rotorua and all to Whangerei trips every few months in our 1st Gen 73%SoH Leaf, as happily the charging network is now established to allow even my humble car to go the whole way happily (if somewhat slowly) for my holiday family visits.

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  Reply # 2218282 16-Apr-2019 15:56
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PhantomNVD:

 

Not always a case of putting your money where your mouth is though...

...Not everyone can afford a new car, and be able to weather the depreciation in those first few years, but I bought an 11 bar 2011 Leaf 2 years ago now....

 

But as far as you can afford, you have put your money where your mouth is, so in that regard you are different to most kiwi cheap-skates. But you have equated it back to cash savings probably because you are accustom to justifying the cost to your cheap-skate countrymen. Beside many people and businesses do buy new cars, but they aren't putting their money where their mouths are.

 

Collectively as a country we are only environmental if it is cheap and doesn't affect the view from our back yards. I acknowledge that most people reading this thread are intellectually a level above the average kiwi so don't fit this stereo-type.

 

Our prime minister epitomised this kiwi-ism went she made out we were vigorously advocating EV's at the world environmental summit a few months ago, when paradoxically our encouragement is a fraction of other countries who otherwise seem to be hell bent on wreaking the global environment, such as the USA.

 

Wellgary: The NZ EV market in 2018 is hugely different to what it was in 2012.

 

in 2012 Leafs were a huge punt for an existing car manufacturer...

 

Kiwi's didn't avoid Leafs/Leaves(?) in 2012 because they were a punt, they avoided them because they were expensive. Kiwi's haven't changed (much) and neither has the cost (much).


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  Reply # 2219317 16-Apr-2019 17:39
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We are not a green country because we really care about the environment but rather because we are a young relatively unpopulated country which hasn't been around long enough to fxxxk up the environment as long as other countries....

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