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#2214292 10-Apr-2019 11:03

lowlyworm:

Not buying a 40kWh car has saved us $20,000+. That's a lot of rental car if we ever needed it.

Agreed. Few Aucklanders have a longer commute than me, and I reckon my 30kWh Leaf will still get me to work and back without a charge during the day down to about 75% SOH at least.

In the long run though as cell and pack prices decrease along with increased volume, I guess 60kWh+ will become the norm which is good too, because even if you only needed 24kWh for your normal driving, that means the car is going to last longer before you need a replacement battery - e.g. a 60kWh battery at 50% SOH is only just reaching the capacity of my car straight from the factory, so I could run a 60kWh car maybe for 10 years before I would *need* to think about replacing the battery.

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#2214423 10-Apr-2019 15:05

frednz:

I suppose the NZ-new Nissan Leaf will also have a long wait time, but seriously, why buy 40kWh when NZ-new 64kWh is already here for probably much the same price as the new Leaf will be? I realise that 270km is a good range, but wouldn't it make sense to go for 455km range?

The NZ-new EV's will never be cost competitive with imports, and probably never are. You pay a premium for NZ-new in exchange for a better warranty etc. Their market is businesses who can get a tax benefit for buying new vehicles, not the average driver.

The 40kwh models do not have a long wait in other markets, Nissan is actually serious about making and selling EV's. They are the most serious EV maker in right hand drive markets. It's quite possible there will be no huge wait for the 60kwh Leaf, given its much higher price there may be far fewer takers.

The Kona and e-Golf are just placeholders, they are not going to be mass produced. VW claims that it will get serious about EV's in 2020 and by then the Tesla model 3 should be available in right-hand drive markets. Its anyones guess when the Kona will be mass produced but I suspect its just a marketing effort to tell shareholders 'please don't worry about Tesla, look at us!' similar to the e-golf.

So by the end of next year, there should be a few choices for NZ-new cars. Don't expect great pricing though, NZ-new cars are not great value if you don't get a tax benefit.

Realistically we will continue to buy used cars from Japan and some from the UK, so whatever sells there is what's going to be available here a few years later at a reasonable price.

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#2214438 10-Apr-2019 15:34

I worry that Nissan NZ is as damned with the 2018 as they were with the 2012.

Kiwi's are simply cheap skates and won't pay the 60 kw price (and probably not the 40kw price either). As a country, we seldom put our money where our mouths are.

While every current EV owner appreciates that 40 kw has a perfectly adequate range for 90% of motorists, my ICE driving friends are totally tunnel focused on 500km range, and the cost of that capability prohibits EV ownership in their minds. The mindset shift of not actively waiting for an EV to recharge on a forecourt somewhere is beyond their imaginations.

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#2214457 10-Apr-2019 15:56

tripper1000:

I worry that Nissan NZ is as damned with the 2018 as they were with the 2012.

Kiwi's are simply cheap skates and won't pay the 60 kw price (and probably not the 40kw price either). As a country, we seldom put our money where our mouths are.

While every current EV owner appreciates that 40 kw has a perfectly adequate range for 90% of motorists, my ICE driving friends are totally tunnel focused on 500km range, and the cost of that capability prohibits EV ownership in their minds. The mindset shift of not actively waiting for an EV to recharge on a forecourt somewhere is beyond their imaginations.

The NZ EV market in 2018 is hugely different to what it was in 2012.

in 2012 Leafs were a huge punt for an existing car manufacturer, they have now sold over 400,000 of them,

Nissan will know how many 2nd hand leafs are crossing the wharves, and what the age (and rough cost) they are....

If they have a good marketing team ( and good pricing) they should be able to score some reasonable fleet sales to help their numbers along...

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#2217606 15-Apr-2019 18:50

By any chance, does anyone know what equipment is required to install the 30 kwh firmware update ?

Is it pushed via OBD or Nissan Consult ?

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#2217620 15-Apr-2019 19:51

tripper1000:
I worry that Nissan NZ is as damned with the 2018 as they were with the 2012.

Kiwi's are simply cheap skates and won't pay the 60 kw price (and probably not the 40kw price either). As a country, we seldom put our money where our mouths are.

While every current EV owner appreciates that 40 kw has a perfectly adequate range for 90% of motorists, my ICE driving friends are totally tunnel focused on 500km range, and the cost of that capability prohibits EV ownership in their minds. The mindset shift of not actively waiting for an EV to recharge on a forecourt somewhere is beyond their imaginations.

Not always a case of putting your money where your mouth is though... forking out $4,000 for a cutting edge gaming PC is one thing, $60,000 on a car is something completely different!

I have never bought a new car, or smelt more than 15,000 on a second hand one...

Not everyone can afford a new car, and be able to weather the depreciation in those first few years, but I bought an 11 bar 2011 Leaf 2 years ago now, and will not only have saved the last 50,000kms ‘carbon’ damage, but an already over half way to having paid it off on the fuel saved alone.

Money saved AND clean driving made great sense to us, but I won’t get a 60KW Leaf till it too is around $15,000 on the second hand market, and will continue to happily do Akl to Rotorua and all to Whangerei trips every few months in our 1st Gen 73%SoH Leaf, as happily the charging network is now established to allow even my humble car to go the whole way happily (if somewhat slowly) for my holiday family visits.

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#2218282 16-Apr-2019 15:56

PhantomNVD:

Not always a case of putting your money where your mouth is though...

...Not everyone can afford a new car, and be able to weather the depreciation in those first few years, but I bought an 11 bar 2011 Leaf 2 years ago now....

But as far as you can afford, you have put your money where your mouth is, so in that regard you are different to most kiwi cheap-skates. But you have equated it back to cash savings probably because you are accustom to justifying the cost to your cheap-skate countrymen. Beside many people and businesses do buy new cars, but they aren't putting their money where their mouths are.

Collectively as a country we are only environmental if it is cheap and doesn't affect the view from our back yards. I acknowledge that most people reading this thread are intellectually a level above the average kiwi so don't fit this stereo-type.

Our prime minister epitomised this kiwi-ism went she made out we were vigorously advocating EV's at the world environmental summit a few months ago, when paradoxically our encouragement is a fraction of other countries who otherwise seem to be hell bent on wreaking the global environment, such as the USA.

Wellgary: The NZ EV market in 2018 is hugely different to what it was in 2012.

in 2012 Leafs were a huge punt for an existing car manufacturer...

Kiwi's didn't avoid Leafs/Leaves(?) in 2012 because they were a punt, they avoided them because they were expensive. Kiwi's haven't changed (much) and neither has the cost (much).

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#2219317 16-Apr-2019 17:39

We are not a green country because we really care about the environment but rather because we are a young relatively unpopulated country which hasn't been around long enough to fxxxk up the environment as long as other countries....

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#2223044 24-Apr-2019 08:57

NZ Leaf 2.0 Pricing is out, and surprise surprise its $59.9 K,

It comes with plenty of Bells and Whistles, including the ability to do Vehicle to Grid,

possibly likely to hurt IONIQ sales, as for 59K you only get the base model

Available for Order from May and the first shipments are due in August...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/112214253/nissan-reveals-kiwi-price-for-allnew-leaf-ev

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#2223048 24-Apr-2019 09:08

The Ioniq is widely tipped to be getting an update later this year although I haven't seen anything official about when or what it might be.

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#2225567 26-Apr-2019 14:37

Kia ora everyone!

Some context.. (you can ignore this if in a hurry)

So my parents are looking into getting a new car, mainly for mum.

Hybrid Nz new was our main option at first (Kia Niro HEV), but thats 35k+ which is, alot. Toyota is lovely and cheaper but the CVT stuff doesn't sound very nice to drive with :/

but i've been looking at the leafs for AGES and why not go full electric now?

It's not NZ New, but realistically mum doesn't need maps in our local area and nothing will really beat phone based maps.

Her use case is not very demanding. In a typical week it would be work (4km) and shopping/outings (4-10km). As you can see, well under 100k's in a week.

the new leaf coming is going to be $60k which is waaaaayyy out of our budget.

Our budget is max 30k

My Actual Questions...

1. When looking for a leaf, what should I look for? and what should I be wary of?

So far I know of looking for 12 bars, ensuring SD cards aren't missing, hopefully side/frontal airbags, firmware upgrading support, after market head units are no go's since you lose quite a bit of functionality.

2. I've been focusing on 2014-2016 models G spec, but is it realistic to have 12 bars for 2014/15 models?

examples of what I've found - 2015 (24kwh) Gen 2 G for $23,995 @ 19k, 2016 (20kwh) Gen 2 G Aero for $27,990 @ 33k (in Christchurch though :( shipping it over to AKL will release so many emissions).

3. Any recommended dealers for within the Auckland Region? :) I've found Autolink EV, GVI Electric, AC EV but am not fully sure about reliability, servicing and warranties.

4. ooo last one, i read on here that someone with a 2016 leaf couldn't make useable handsfree calls with bluetooth since the mic in the car doesn't pickup, other side hears nothing. is this true? wow. that sucks, but not a total dealbreaker.

Thanks heaps!

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#2225577 26-Apr-2019 14:59

If your budget max is 30k, you should be able to get a 2016 Leaf with a 30 kWh battery for that. I imported such a model from Japan last year for about $27k inc all costs. I suspect a bit of dealer margin would push that up to around 30k.

My model is an “X” which means it has reversing camera and a few other goodies. The Bluetooth is fine with no problems too FYI. You want to make sure you know the battery health - and probably is more detail than just the number of bars. There’s a figure called the Statement of Health (SOH is the common acronym). Mine is around about 92% and this refers to the usable capacity when compared to a new one.

We’ve loved driving around in the Leaf. It’s brilliant as a city car as it’s not massive. But it has plenty of boot space. We charge ours at home every 3rd day so it’s really no hassle.

Our story seems to be pretty common. Once you’ve got an electric, you tend to fall in love with them.

Thumbs up from me

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#2226038 27-Apr-2019 09:41

nigelramsay: If your budget max is 30k, you should be able to get a 2016 Leaf with a 30 kWh battery for that. I imported such a model from Japan last year for about $27k inc all costs. I suspect a bit of dealer margin would push that up to around 30k.

My model is an “X” which means it has reversing camera and a few other goodies. The Bluetooth is fine with no problems too FYI. You want to make sure you know the battery health - and probably is more detail than just the number of bars. There’s a figure called the Statement of Health (SOH is the common acronym). Mine is around about 92% and this refers to the usable capacity when compared to a new one.

We’ve loved driving around in the Leaf. It’s brilliant as a city car as it’s not massive. But it has plenty of boot space. We charge ours at home every 3rd day so it’s really no hassle.

Our story seems to be pretty common. Once you’ve got an electric, you tend to fall in love with them.

Thumbs up from me

Thank you! I didn't understand the SOH well, but get it now, will look for higher numbers when looking for a leaf :)

Looks like we don't want to go over $23,000 since the main reason we left the Niro was it's crazy price (looks like I can't edit my post now). Most likely will have to look at 2013-2015 models instead^^

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#2226042 27-Apr-2019 09:51

For $23k you should have no issues getting a 2013+ higher-spec Leaf with a decent SOH.

One of the benefits of going with the mid or top spec model is they come with a heat pump heater. Top spec often comes with alloys and a better stereo.

One of the biggest problems can be finding one with the full suite of airbags, as (is common with Japanese imports) most come with only two, even the top spec range. We paid a decent premium for one because of this, but not negotiable with my wife as it's the car the kids are in most of the time.

Now sure is you've found this page, but it provides a good concise summary of the differences between models, UK vs Japan sourced models:

https://samholford.github.io/leafguide/

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#2226272 27-Apr-2019 12:38

jonathan18: For $23k you should have no issues getting a 2013+ higher-spec Leaf with a decent SOH.

One of the benefits of going with the mid or top spec model is they come with a heat pump heater. Top spec often comes with alloys and a better stereo.

One of the biggest problems can be finding one with the full suite of airbags, as (is common with Japanese imports) most come with only two, even the top spec range. We paid a decent premium for one because of this, but not negotiable with my wife as it's the car the kids are in most of the time.

Now sure is you've found this page, but it provides a good concise summary of the differences between models, UK vs Japan sourced models:

https://samholford.github.io/leafguide/

Ahh okay thank you! It is definitely very hard to find a good spec leaf with the side airbags/10 airbags. Cant believe Japan can suffice with 2 airbags yikes.

Would >85% SOH be a decent SOH level?

I've found a 2014 G Autech with basically everything including airbags. It has a 80% SOH / 11 bars and done 40k. Price - $20k

Dunno how bad 80% could be but it looks like quite a bit of degradation so maybe that's a pass.

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