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  # 2244304 23-May-2019 23:19
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If only you could get a towbar on the eNiro



I imagine your probably can (as with the Niro Hybrid). But you would only be able to put a bike rack on it (not rated for towing).




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  # 2249661 1-Jun-2019 18:20
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Okay, i am still thinking about a leaf, main issue is all the good deals seem to be in Auckland so heres some dumb questions for you regarding the dealers and a few leaf questions

 

Note I am looking at $15000 absolutely maximum, 10,000 I am more comfortable with but I want a bit more range and the newer ones have more bars so greater distance

 

1) Trade-ins - will they take anything provided its roadworthy, what is the sort of industry standard as my cars about 20 years old

 

2) I currently download Podcasts etc on to a USB stick and plug it into my stereo, yet i can't see a USB post on the leaf

 

3) are the more premium versions of the leaf worth the extra premium? (I have looked at the guide on Sam Holfords site)and sometimes it seems to be n extra 5-600 for the better trims

 

4) Only about half the listings on trademe seem to say the bars or SOH, Are dealers who do that like GVI a bit dodgy?

 

 





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Morgenmuffel:

 

Okay, i am still thinking about a leaf, main issue is all the good deals seem to be in Auckland so heres some dumb questions for you regarding the dealers and a few leaf questions

 

Note I am looking at $15000 absolutely maximum, 10,000 I am more comfortable with but I want a bit more range and the newer ones have more bars so greater distance

 

1) Trade-ins - will they take anything provided its roadworthy, what is the sort of industry standard as my cars about 20 years old

 

2) I currently download Podcasts etc on to a USB stick and plug it into my stereo, yet i can't see a USB post on the leaf

 

3) are the more premium versions of the leaf worth the extra premium? (I have looked at the guide on Sam Holfords site)and sometimes it seems to be n extra 5-600 for the better trims

 

4) Only about half the listings on trademe seem to say the bars or SOH, Are dealers who do that like GVI a bit dodgy?

 

 

 

 

 

 

2) The USB port is away from the stereo, near the drink holders. I usually use Bluetooth though so not sure on compatibility.

 

3) Short answer - yes. Depending on the year you're going for, heat-pump and heated seats are nice.

 

4) GVI is a good dealership, and can usually get cars down to their Petone site from Auckland easily enough. Not sure where you're located, but Daniel from GVI Petone would be the one to talk to. My understanding is that sometimes dealers will wait to check SOH once they are in the country before quoting it. I can't imagine any dealer wouldn't provide you with an SOH if you asked for it. Don't just rely on bars, as '12 bar' could be anywhere down to around 86%.


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  # 2250355 3-Jun-2019 14:03
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@Morgenmuffel:

 

2) I currently download Podcasts etc on to a USB stick and plug it into my stereo, yet i can't see a USB post on the leaf

 

 

This manual works for my Leaf. Starting at page 4-35 (pg 260 of 410) are the instructions for the USB connection. Page 4-41 shows the location of the USB connection, in front of the cup holders, near the seat warmer controls. It is not obvious in all pictures. If the car has steering wheel controls for audio & cruise control, chances are good that the car has the USB connection.

 

 

 

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4) ..., but Daniel from GVI Petone would be the one to talk to. ...

Daniel is very knowledgeable, keen & genuinely helpful. He has provided me with excellent service.

 

iambobthefish: ... Don't just rely on bars, as '12 bar' could be anywhere down to around 86%.
Amen to that!





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  # 2252228 5-Jun-2019 17:12
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FYI: 2011-2012 ZE0 - Official Nissan SOH upgrade firmware. 2 June 19 my ppl overseas spotted and upgraded one Leaf. SOH went from 44.5% to 62.58% 

 

That upgrade is only applicable to LBC ## 293A0-3NA0B; 293A0-3NA0C and 293A0-3NA1B can do if you happen to have one. Considering age of those Leafs - they are most likely being upgraded in Japan. 

 

Also can erase/register keys for ZEO-AZEO in Auckland in case all of them are lost. 

 

  

 

 





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Walter at EVs Enhanced in Christchurch has developed a custom mod for the 30kWh LEAF that helps prevent the traction battery from overheating when charged repeatedly on 50kw DC fast chargers. This mod also includes the earlier Nissan-supplied update to the LBC (Lithium Battery Controller) firmware that corrected the error leading to premature loss of apparent battery capacity.

I drove from Auckland to Taupo in my 30kWh LEAF on Friday morning. On the way there I charged at Huntly (slower and cooler at 25kw and $0), then Cambridge (13 minutes at 50kw - $5.14) and then a top-up on Tokoroa because the weather was rotten (22 mins at 50kw - $9.20) and drove at normal speeds because it's usually not necessary anymore to creep along to make sure you get to where you're going. There are now a good number of chargers along SH1. I arrived in Taupo on about 44C battery temp......and that's pretty much what I expected.

Steve Greenwood at Drive EV in Taupo installed the custom firmware update. It takes about 45 minutes. During that time, the car cooled down a fair bit and I went and charged at the Taupo fire station. Taupo is Unison and they charge 40c / kWh regardless of time. That was a 30 minute charge for $5.47. From there I drove to Murupara (free $0), topped up.....and then drove direct to Opotiki. No issues. 

I describe this because the custom firmware update doesn't really change anything in the normal course of driving. Where it kicks in when the car's traction battery gets into the mid-30s......and that's usually after you've driven a few hundred kms.....in the winter, anyway. It will start warmer and heat up faster in the Summer. 

The next day, I drove back to Auckland from Opotiki. I wanted to test out the firmware update, so intended to use all 50kw DC fast chargers along the way. Unfortunately, as I approached Tauranga, I could see in the ChargeNet app that someone had just started using the 50kw DC charger at Bayfiar, so I went to New World in Mt Maunganui and used the 25kw DC charger instead. From there I went to Matamata over the Kaimais and charged for 18 mins / 11.1kWh for $7.34. Then.....I would normally have gone to Countdown at Huntly, 25km out of my way, to slow charge (25kw) and then head home. Instead, I drover direct to Te Kauwhata (WEL - free $0) and fast charged to 85%. Bad weather and REALLY high winds had me charge a bit higher than usual (70%) to get home to Greenlane, over the Bombay Hill, from this point.  Below is a LeafSpy charging graph at that point. 

Black is the battery heat.
Green is the charging rate.
Red is the state of charge.

Vertical line are jumps caused by me having the car turned off while charging. The flatter steady charge in the middle is the 47 minutes at New World at the Mount. The key bit is the staggered, downward green line at the right....as the new firmware tapers the charge rate off once the battery temp gets into the mid-30s.....and it kept tapering off in order to keep the battery temp under 50C. It worked. I'm very happy about this as it means the car is now able to mamanage it's own battery temperature on any charger....whereas before the update I had to manually estimate and manage the accumulation of heat. Most Evs don't have this issue.....but the LEAF does and that's part of why they are much cheaper.

Yes, the firmware update does slow charging down.....but it's still faster than the alternative and I save time on being able to use the most direct route instead of detours to slower chargers......It's a win. If you have a 30kWh LEAF and regularly drive much more than 300km on any journey, then you want this update.








 

 





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  # 2255515 10-Jun-2019 18:34
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Another helpful section Thanks Just out of interest  what's the SOH of you battery I know you have done a lot of Kms My 30Kw is now showing around 87-88% just on three years old


 
 
 
 




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  # 2255647 11-Jun-2019 02:47
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Another helpful section Thanks Just out of interest  what's the SOH of you battery I know you have done a lot of Kms My 30Kw is now showing around 87-88% just on three years old



At 101,721km my latest SoH was 89.13%. My LEAF is now 3.5 years old.





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  # 2255885 11-Jun-2019 11:34
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https://thedriven.io/2019/06/03/new-zealand-battery-module-adds-45-range-to-nissan-leaf/

 

Neat. 

 

 

 

E: From Facebook:

 

https://www.facebook.com/bluecarsnz/

 

This is Blue Cars' official response to Bridie Schmidt's article in "The Driven" (3rd June 2019). In the hours following the release of this article we fielded dozens of phone calls and enquiries from around the world. The enquiries were mostly from customers, Leaf owners and other potential EV owners offering comments of support and/or asking for more information about our battery upgrade solutions. While the article was mostly quite accurate and we are grateful for the publicity, the enquiries we received suggest some people misunderstand what exactly it is we have achieved and what we can offer.

 

 

Key Facts:
1. Our first prototype module had 45% greater capacity compared to a new 24 kWh Nissan Leaf.
2. We tested our module in a Nissan Leaf to demonstrate that the vehicle systems are compatible with 3rd party modules.
3. This prototype was constructed to a "development testing" standard - not ready for mass production or commercial sale.
4. Since then we have developed further prototypes towards our goals of easier assembly and commercial viability. 
5. Our latest prototype design fits 38 kWh of new cells into an existing Leaf pack with much easier assembly.
6. We have applied for further LEV funding support to help us make the step up to volume production. 
7. Our last two applications were unsuccessful, but we are hopeful of success in Round 6.

 

Deposit Scheme
One of the feedback comments we received from EECA following our unsuccessful application in Round 5 was that we hadn't adequately demonstrated demand for the battery pack upgrades we want to offer. With that in mind we asked our network of customers and supporters if anybody would be interested in paying a deposit towards one of our first replacement packs, conditional on our funding application being successful. Within a few days we had 7 confirmed deposits received and a list of 50+ people potentially interested in buying an upgraded battery. We have not advertised this offer any further since submitting our application, but expect to see a significant spike in demand if our application is successful.

 

For more information about paying a deposit towards one of our first upgrade packs or if you would like to be added to our mailing list to receive advance updates on our progress please email pilot@bluecars.nz with your name and contact details.

 

Sponsorship & Donations
If anybody is interested in supporting what we are doing but not interested in buying an upgrade pack at this time then please consider making a financial contribution to the project - either in the form of sponsorship or a donation.

 

With thanks and best regards,
Carl Barlev
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  # 2256643 12-Jun-2019 12:34
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Thanks Linuxluver for your great feedback on our enhanced firmware for the 30kWh Leaf lithium battery controller. We're glad you like it.


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  # 2256748 12-Jun-2019 14:04
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I am interested in such a service, but there are too many unanswerable questions at the moment to decide. When the battery in my current Leaf gets too degraded to be convenient - which will be when it can no longer get me to work and back without charging on the way - that is when I would have to decide. But the decision depends on several factors. The car has 69,000km on it right now (at around 42,000km annual rate) so by that stage I would be looking at 160,000km+. What would a trade-in be for a newer EV which would have fewer km and greater range than a 30kWh Leaf with a new (possibly a bit larger) battery pack? What will the price be for a new battery pack?

 

I really want a battery upgrade service to succeed as this is an option we need in the long run to make the cars sustainable, which is the whole point of going electric. But it needs to be at a price which makes it worthwhile to keep the old short-range ones on the road instead of trading them in on longer range ones. Do you have any feel for what the eventual prices would be, @EVsEnhanced?

 

 





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  # 2256978 12-Jun-2019 19:28
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SaltyNZ:

 

I am interested in such a service, but there are too many unanswerable questions at the moment to decide. When the battery in my current Leaf gets too degraded to be convenient - which will be when it can no longer get me to work and back without charging on the way - that is when I would have to decide. But the decision depends on several factors. The car has 69,000km on it right now (at around 42,000km annual rate) so by that stage I would be looking at 160,000km+. What would a trade-in be for a newer EV which would have fewer km and greater range than a 30kWh Leaf with a new (possibly a bit larger) battery pack? What will the price be for a new battery pack?

 

I really want a battery upgrade service to succeed as this is an option we need in the long run to make the cars sustainable, which is the whole point of going electric. But it needs to be at a price which makes it worthwhile to keep the old short-range ones on the road instead of trading them in on longer range ones. Do you have any feel for what the eventual prices would be, @EVsEnhanced?

 

 

 

 

I suppose it really depends on how you use the car. If it is mainly for <60k return commuting it is perhaps less attractive then for those who travel >150km/day on a more regular bases besides commuting. An $10k upgrade from a 24Kw or 30kWh battery to a 38kWh battery sounds attractive right now over upgrading to a newer $50k+ 40kWH car.




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  # 2257750 13-Jun-2019 23:43
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SaltyNZ:

 

I am interested in such a service, but there are too many unanswerable questions at the moment to decide. When the battery in my current Leaf gets too degraded to be convenient - which will be when it can no longer get me to work and back without charging on the way - that is when I would have to decide. But the decision depends on several factors. The car has 69,000km on it right now (at around 42,000km annual rate) so by that stage I would be looking at 160,000km+. What would a trade-in be for a newer EV which would have fewer km and greater range than a 30kWh Leaf with a new (possibly a bit larger) battery pack? What will the price be for a new battery pack?

 

I really want a battery upgrade service to succeed as this is an option we need in the long run to make the cars sustainable, which is the whole point of going electric. But it needs to be at a price which makes it worthwhile to keep the old short-range ones on the road instead of trading them in on longer range ones. Do you have any feel for what the eventual prices would be, @EVsEnhanced?

 

 

The new battery may be costly, but almost certainly cheaper than a new / used EV with the same capacity......

Several people are now able to mix / match batteries from one leaf to another - including different capacities - and we know that the whole pack can be filled with different batteries entirely.

I'd definitely look at a 38.5kWh battery replacement for a 2010-11 LEAF. You can buy one for as little as $8,500 now...and even if the new battery was $20,000, you'd be getting a 300km EV for under $30k. That's a very good deal as things stand.





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  # 2257872 14-Jun-2019 07:13
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I'd definitely look at a 38.5kWh battery replacement for a 2010-11 LEAF. You can buy one for as little as $8,500 now...and even if the new battery was $20,000, you'd be getting a 300km EV for under $30k. That's a very good deal as things stand.

 

 

 

 

Yep, all true - as I said, I'm definitely interested. I just don't know if I'm interested enough to put down a deposit right now, because I don't know where either the market or I will be when the time comes to do something with my current Leaf.





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Linuxluver:.....

..... You can buy one for as little as $8,500 now... That's a very good deal ....

 

 

I would be very careful about having just price and the word "good deal" in one sentence without disclosure of significant details, i.e. what range and within what period battery performance (SOH, Delta V, others) is guaranteed for those money? 

 

Another consideration - if you need a ride - those money can buy you many other second hand Japanese imported cars with another 100.000kms or more life in it. 

 

At the time battery (EV or Hybrid) degrades and you get most of your car - people generally are not prepared to pay THAT much.   

 

One particular dealer who sold a lot of Leafs in NZ had "imprinted" into people's mind 3 ideas:

 

1) that $5000 magic figure for the new battery replacement,

 

2) those "inspiring" words, quote: "batteries are getting cheaper every year" and, 

 

3) "you will sell your old Leaf to those who do not need that range" 

 

Those expectations were set up for dozens of first adopters who are now experiencing reduced range after 2-3 years of ownership.

 

Would be interesting to hear from early adopters of what they think about practical realization of those "ideas" as above and whether they have reset their expectations to something more realistic?





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