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#3092315 19-Jun-2023 22:20

everettpsycho: Out of interest has anyone used the anz green home loan top up to purchase a vehicle? ...

The co-worker of my son did this earlier this year, so it's possible.

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#3101108 7-Jul-2023 22:42

This Youtube presentation on Open Source Leaf battery replacements sounds interesting

https://youtu.be/UiM0JQC4C0c

Dala's EV repair Youtube channel here.

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#3101710 9-Jul-2023 16:35

HarmLessSolutions: Dala's EV repair Youtube channel here.

& the actual announcement: https://youtu.be/zRk_W0O-WUU

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#3101740 9-Jul-2023 20:06

Just got served an ad for a new leaf, looks like they've slashed the prices like the others with a bran new 39kWh model being $49,990 before the rebate. Brings it down in line with the likes of the mg zs and byd dolphin but still slightly above the mg4 and ora good cat that had a couple of thousand shaved if it's price this week. Both of those offer 50kWh so it's still a tough sell for the little old leaf but not as bad as it was.

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#3101745 9-Jul-2023 20:58

everettpsycho: Just got served an ad for a new leaf, looks like they've slashed the prices like the others with a bran new 39kWh model being $49,990 before the rebate. Brings it down in line with the likes of the mg zs and byd dolphin but still slightly above the mg4 and ora good cat that had a couple of thousand shaved if it's price this week. Both of those offer 50kWh so it's still a tough sell for the little old leaf but not as bad as it was.

Buying a new leaf in NZ hasn't been a rational purchase for a private buyer for many years. Can get a lightly used import from Japan much cheaper. Looked up an example and you can get a 2021 e+ (62kWh) with under 5,000km on it and 96% SOH for $40,500+ORC, which is cheaper than a new 39kWh, even with the recent price cut.

Yet Nissan still seems to be able to move a handful of them. 16 last month alone, which easily beat the as an example the 9 sales of the Lexus UX 300e, which is quite an attractive offer since it's battery upgrade.

Must be some people or businesses with a strong aversion to buying used and really want a leaf...

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#3101747 9-Jul-2023 21:16

Scott3:

everettpsycho: Just got served an ad for a new leaf, looks like they've slashed the prices like the others with a bran new 39kWh model being $49,990 before the rebate. Brings it down in line with the likes of the mg zs and byd dolphin but still slightly above the mg4 and ora good cat that had a couple of thousand shaved if it's price this week. Both of those offer 50kWh so it's still a tough sell for the little old leaf but not as bad as it was.

Buying a new leaf in NZ hasn't been a rational purchase for a private buyer for many years. Can get a lightly used import from Japan much cheaper. Looked up an example and you can get a 2021 e+ (62kWh) with under 5,000km on it and 96% SOH for $40,500+ORC, which is cheaper than a new 39kWh, even with the recent price cut.

Yet Nissan still seems to be able to move a handful of them. 16 last month alone, which easily beat the as an example the 9 sales of the Lexus UX 300e, which is quite an attractive offer since it's battery upgrade.

Must be some people or businesses with a strong aversion to buying used and really want a leaf...

This sort of usage might be responsible for a few of them

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#3119639 24-Aug-2023 08:11

We'll be looking to sell my wife's Leaf in a couple of months, and as part of that I want to have some idea of the battery's SOH. Given I got so depressed watching the basic SOH reading in LeafSpy fall (relatively) precipitously in the months after buying the car, I've not bothered looking at it since then (so about 5.5 years ago), though of course have watched the range and 'bars' drop over that time.

So last night I charged it to 100% to see what a claimed full range was, and this morning I've grabbed some screenshots - and it's about as healthy as I expected! I'd really appreciate some assistance interpreting these. For example, why does the app report a SOC of 93.3% when the car says the battery's 100%?

Thanks in advance.

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#3119663 24-Aug-2023 09:39

I believe SOC is never really 100% as the Leaf prevents you from overcharging the battery.

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#3119940 24-Aug-2023 21:46

I took my 2014 Leaf (24 ) in for its first warrant today after having it for a year -- a new import -- and it failed because all of the 17" Michelin tyres had cracks in their walls -- though lots of tread left. Can anyone explain to me what would cause this? They will be the original Japanese tyres.

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#3119948 24-Aug-2023 22:38

mdav056:

I took my 2014 Leaf (24 ) in for its first warrant today after having it for a year -- a new import -- and it failed because all of the 17" Michelin tyres had cracks in their walls -- though lots of tread left. Can anyone explain to me what would cause this? They will be the original Japanese tyres.

Usually a combination of age & UV exposure.

If the cracking is localized to the middle of the sidewalls, under-inflation (or overloading) may have contributed.

You could check the date stamp on the tyres to see when they were manufactured.

From Michelin (most tire brands are the same):

https://www.michelinman.com/auto/auto-tips-and-advice/tire-buying-guide/when-do-i-need-new-tires

"Ten years is a maximum

If the tires haven't been replaced 10 years after their date of manufacture, as a precaution, Michelin recommends replacing them with new tires. Even if they appear to be in usable condition and have not worn down to the tread wear indicator. This applies to spare tires as well."

I wouldn't be too worried about needing to replace the tyres at 9 years, you are close to the 10 year replacement recommendation.

Personally, I have found Michelin's to hold up fairly well. Below image is an about 4 year old Ecopia EP850 that I took off my SUV (due to tread wear, but the cracking was starting to worry me). Tyres on other axles were 2 year old Ecopia EP850's and were already showing some light cracking (nothing like what is in the photo)

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#3120007 25-Aug-2023 09:43

Thanks, @Scott3, that's good to know. Can't make out when the tyres were manufactured, will ask the guys when they get replaced. I suspect they may be original 2014 (but don't look like they have done 73K)

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#3120010 25-Aug-2023 09:54

jonathan18:

Can anyone offer some interpretation of the above graphs?

I get that the overall SOH is 66.56% and, looking at the basic Flip the Fleet data, that's not too far off the norm (which I'm a bit surprised by; it would be interesting to see this data broken down by odometer as I imagine ours is low relative to the odo reading).

What I'm not sure about is what the graphs themselves indicate re battery health/voltage difference across cells etc. Any help appreciated!

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#3120038 25-Aug-2023 11:17

From what I've seen the odometer reading isn't as much of an influence as the number of DC (fast) charges. In your data 537 vs. 3,918 AC charges.

In addition the circumstances of when those DC charging events occurred is also highly relevant. During a recent browse through a dealer's selection one 2016 Leaf had low DC chargings but only 24,000km recorded with its 74% SoH being similar to another 2016 with more than double the distance travelled but about 8x the DC events. Both were 30kWh cars. My theory was that the low mileage (an Aero kitted one) had done a fair number of longer road trips with DC charging done when the battery was hot whereas the higher mileage one had had daily charging at a DC facility at their home or work (i.e. small top-ups on a cold battery). Worth noting that the DC charges recorded are just individual events and not the extent or duration of those charges. We purchased the lower mileage Leaf.

Also of relevance is a 2012 Leaf we've got (listed on TM) that has >90,000km on it with the battery still at 62%. It has had 156 DC charges and 2,712 AC charges. We purchased it in 2014 with ~9,000km on it but all but a handful of those DC charges already done in Japan. I don't have a SoH recorded when we first got it but had 11 bars and close to 120km range. We home charge using a L2 charger typically to 100% with the battery usually depleted to <20% before charging. For us DC charging is very rare (<10 since we've had it.)

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#3120323 25-Aug-2023 22:07

Scott3:

mdav056:

I took my 2014 Leaf (24 ) in for its first warrant today after having it for a year -- a new import -- and it failed because all of the 17" Michelin tyres had cracks in their walls -- though lots of tread left. Can anyone explain to me what would cause this? They will be the original Japanese tyres.

Usually a combination of age & UV exposure.

If the cracking is localized to the middle of the sidewalls, under-inflation (or overloading) may have contributed.

You could check the date stamp on the tyres to see when they were manufactured.

From Michelin (most tire brands are the same):

https://www.michelinman.com/auto/auto-tips-and-advice/tire-buying-guide/when-do-i-need-new-tires

"Ten years is a maximum

If the tires haven't been replaced 10 years after their date of manufacture, as a precaution, Michelin recommends replacing them with new tires. Even if they appear to be in usable condition and have not worn down to the tread wear indicator. This applies to spare tires as well."

I wouldn't be too worried about needing to replace the tyres at 9 years, you are close to the 10 year replacement recommendation.

They were manufactured in 2016, which means (if they are the same wheels&tyres) the first ones were replaced after 2 years..?

7 years, therefore, a bit short.

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#3126376 12-Sep-2023 08:32

ANglEAUT:

everettpsycho: Out of interest has anyone used the anz green home loan top up to purchase a vehicle? ...

The co-worker of my son did this earlier this year, so it's possible.

We got it for double glazing (replaced the whole window frame) and a new ebike for the Mrs. An EV was definitely "on offer", but we already have a leaf :)

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