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  #1775245 3-May-2017 23:07
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Definitely SOH. The amp-hour reading backs it up at 54.3. Rated capacity should be 66 Ah IIRC, so that gives 82%...




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  #1775267 4-May-2017 05:20
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Definitely SOH. The amp-hour reading backs it up at 54.3. Rated capacity should be 66 Ah IIRC, so that gives 82%...



Then there's something impossible about that 12 bars. You can't be down 18% and still have 12 bars.




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  #1775346 4-May-2017 09:01
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Linuxluver:

 

I need to have more faith. 

 

Today I drove my 30kWh LEAF from Napier to Taupo for the 3rd time. I left Napier on 100% and hoped to get to Taupo without topping up. But I was also mindful it was 3C-7C (depending on exact location) in Napier and this time I had two people in the car and a boot full of luggage. 

 

I made it all the way to the Rangitaiki Taven just 39km from my destination...and the LEAF reckoned it has 41km left. 

 

That's a 2km margin. Not much.......but I *know* the run into Taupo from Rangitaiki is largely flat or downhill.....and you get very good efficiency.

 

My nerve failed and I stopped at the tavern for a coffee and a 30 minute charge at 16amp (Blue Commando) which added just 6% / 10km range. Insurance.

 

I needn't have bothered......again....as I arrived at the new Taupo fast charger (open just 2 days ago) with 16% and over 30km to spare. Without the 6% I would have arrived on 10%. Easy. 

I'll get it right the fourth time. :-) 

 

 

 

 

Good story and glad it worked out well for you! But for a person with less experience than yourself (such as me) range anxiety would have dominated the trip! Now, if you had a BMW i3 with a 9 litre petrol range extender of 130km and a total range of 300km, then a trip of this distance would be a little less stressful? Second hand i3s (old model with total range of 250km) can now be bought for as little as $40,000 so are they now a realistic alternative to the Nissan Leaf?


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  #1775800 4-May-2017 18:16
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frednz:

 

Linuxluver:

 

I need to have more faith. 

 

Today I drove my 30kWh LEAF from Napier to Taupo for the 3rd time. I left Napier on 100% and hoped to get to Taupo without topping up. But I was also mindful it was 3C-7C (depending on exact location) in Napier and this time I had two people in the car and a boot full of luggage. 

 

I made it all the way to the Rangitaiki Taven just 39km from my destination...and the LEAF reckoned it has 41km left. 

 

That's a 2km margin. Not much.......but I *know* the run into Taupo from Rangitaiki is largely flat or downhill.....and you get very good efficiency.

 

My nerve failed and I stopped at the tavern for a coffee and a 30 minute charge at 16amp (Blue Commando) which added just 6% / 10km range. Insurance.

 

I needn't have bothered......again....as I arrived at the new Taupo fast charger (open just 2 days ago) with 16% and over 30km to spare. Without the 6% I would have arrived on 10%. Easy. 

I'll get it right the fourth time. :-) 

 

 

 

 

Good story and glad it worked out well for you! But for a person with less experience than yourself (such as me) range anxiety would have dominated the trip! Now, if you had a BMW i3 with a 9 litre petrol range extender of 130km and a total range of 300km, then a trip of this distance would be a little less stressful? Second hand i3s (old model with total range of 250km) can now be bought for as little as $40,000 so are they now a realistic alternative to the Nissan Leaf?

 

 

For that price I'd skip right past the i3 and get a Renault Zoe ZE 40 which has pure ev range 300km range

 

There was a really good site probably posted by Linux a while ago where you could select your start point, destination, and car used, and it would tell you how much battery you would have remaining. Does anyone know what is was?

 

I'll be so happy when I can get an EV for around $30,000 that can comfortably get me from Dunedin to Wanaka with at most a quick stop in Alex or Cromwell 


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  #1775865 4-May-2017 19:57
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P1n3apqlExpr3ss:

 

frednz:

 

Linuxluver:

 

I need to have more faith. 

 

Today I drove my 30kWh LEAF from Napier to Taupo for the 3rd time. I left Napier on 100% and hoped to get to Taupo without topping up. But I was also mindful it was 3C-7C (depending on exact location) in Napier and this time I had two people in the car and a boot full of luggage. 

 

I made it all the way to the Rangitaiki Taven just 39km from my destination...and the LEAF reckoned it has 41km left. 

 

That's a 2km margin. Not much.......but I *know* the run into Taupo from Rangitaiki is largely flat or downhill.....and you get very good efficiency.

 

My nerve failed and I stopped at the tavern for a coffee and a 30 minute charge at 16amp (Blue Commando) which added just 6% / 10km range. Insurance.

 

I needn't have bothered......again....as I arrived at the new Taupo fast charger (open just 2 days ago) with 16% and over 30km to spare. Without the 6% I would have arrived on 10%. Easy. 

I'll get it right the fourth time. :-) 

 

 

 

 

Good story and glad it worked out well for you! But for a person with less experience than yourself (such as me) range anxiety would have dominated the trip! Now, if you had a BMW i3 with a 9 litre petrol range extender of 130km and a total range of 300km, then a trip of this distance would be a little less stressful? Second hand i3s (old model with total range of 250km) can now be bought for as little as $40,000 so are they now a realistic alternative to the Nissan Leaf?

 

 

For that price I'd skip right past the i3 and get a Renault Zoe ZE 40 which has pure ev range 300km range

 

 

Yes, the Zoe is a very nice vehicle and would be a good investment. However, the new model BMW i3 has a pure ev range of about 180km - 200km with a further 130km provided by the range extender. When compared with the Zoe, the advantage of the i3 is that you can keep filling up the 9 litre petrol tank and the car will run using its electric motor for as long as you keep doing this!

 

I like this aspect of the i3 because it means that you don't need to charge the battery on a long trip at all if you don't want to. The only limitation of this is that you need to refill the 9 litre tank every 120kms or so if you don't recharge the battery. But with the Zoe, you would need to charge the battery every now and then on a long trip and are much more likely to experience range anxiety than you would with the i3!

 

 

 

 


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  #1776099 5-May-2017 10:06
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http://www.jurassictest.ch/GR/

Gives ev range



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  #1777490 8-May-2017 08:06
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frednz:

 

Linuxluver:

 

I need to have more faith. 

 

Today I drove my 30kWh LEAF from Napier to Taupo for the 3rd time. I left Napier on 100% and hoped to get to Taupo without topping up. But I was also mindful it was 3C-7C (depending on exact location) in Napier and this time I had two people in the car and a boot full of luggage. 

 

I made it all the way to the Rangitaiki Taven just 39km from my destination...and the LEAF reckoned it has 41km left. 

 

That's a 2km margin. Not much.......but I *know* the run into Taupo from Rangitaiki is largely flat or downhill.....and you get very good efficiency.

 

My nerve failed and I stopped at the tavern for a coffee and a 30 minute charge at 16amp (Blue Commando) which added just 6% / 10km range. Insurance.

 

I needn't have bothered......again....as I arrived at the new Taupo fast charger (open just 2 days ago) with 16% and over 30km to spare. Without the 6% I would have arrived on 10%. Easy. 

I'll get it right the fourth time. :-) 

 

 

 

 

Good story and glad it worked out well for you! But for a person with less experience than yourself (such as me) range anxiety would have dominated the trip! Now, if you had a BMW i3 with a 9 litre petrol range extender of 130km and a total range of 300km, then a trip of this distance would be a little less stressful? Second hand i3s (old model with total range of 250km) can now be bought for as little as $40,000 so are they now a realistic alternative to the Nissan Leaf?

 

 

As it happened, two BMW i3 cars made exactly the same trip on the same day. I topped one off to 100% myself the night before. Nice car. :-)  

They both arrived in Taupo on about 20%-21% - no range extended necessary....and that's the uphill run. I know my LEAF can do the downhill run to Napier and arrive on 25%. I done it several times now.....but the uphill run requires about 15% more power to climb from seal level up to Taupo level on the plateau.

The BMW i3 is a very capable EV even without the range extender. Certainly, anywhere within 200km of a fast charger is reachable without worry...with a handful of exceptions (Porter Pass and the few other very high, steep routes mainly on the South Island).   





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  #1777491 8-May-2017 08:09
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frednz:

 

P1n3apqlExpr3ss:

 

frednz:

 

Linuxluver:

 

I need to have more faith. 

 

Today I drove my 30kWh LEAF from Napier to Taupo for the 3rd time. I left Napier on 100% and hoped to get to Taupo without topping up. But I was also mindful it was 3C-7C (depending on exact location) in Napier and this time I had two people in the car and a boot full of luggage. 

 

I made it all the way to the Rangitaiki Taven just 39km from my destination...and the LEAF reckoned it has 41km left. 

 

That's a 2km margin. Not much.......but I *know* the run into Taupo from Rangitaiki is largely flat or downhill.....and you get very good efficiency.

 

My nerve failed and I stopped at the tavern for a coffee and a 30 minute charge at 16amp (Blue Commando) which added just 6% / 10km range. Insurance.

 

I needn't have bothered......again....as I arrived at the new Taupo fast charger (open just 2 days ago) with 16% and over 30km to spare. Without the 6% I would have arrived on 10%. Easy. 

I'll get it right the fourth time. :-) 

 

 

 

 

Good story and glad it worked out well for you! But for a person with less experience than yourself (such as me) range anxiety would have dominated the trip! Now, if you had a BMW i3 with a 9 litre petrol range extender of 130km and a total range of 300km, then a trip of this distance would be a little less stressful? Second hand i3s (old model with total range of 250km) can now be bought for as little as $40,000 so are they now a realistic alternative to the Nissan Leaf?

 

 

For that price I'd skip right past the i3 and get a Renault Zoe ZE 40 which has pure ev range 300km range

 

 

Yes, the Zoe is a very nice vehicle and would be a good investment. However, the new model BMW i3 has a pure ev range of about 180km - 200km with a further 130km provided by the range extender. When compared with the Zoe, the advantage of the i3 is that you can keep filling up the 9 litre petrol tank and the car will run using its electric motor for as long as you keep doing this!

 

I like this aspect of the i3 because it means that you don't need to charge the battery on a long trip at all if you don't want to. The only limitation of this is that you need to refill the 9 litre tank every 120kms or so if you don't recharge the battery. But with the Zoe, you would need to charge the battery every now and then on a long trip and are much more likely to experience range anxiety than you would with the i3! 

 

 

Careful there. The REX is for topping up the battery not using instead of. That wee generator won't let you do 100kph on the highway if your battery is flat. You might get to 80kph on the flat with no headwind and maybe 50kph on a hill. It can't generate the level of power required for "normal" speeds. It's for topping up the battery. 





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  #1781652 13-May-2017 14:33
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graemeh:

 

 

 

I didn't realise the RUC exemption was for the life of the vehicle.

 

Petrol cars pay the equivalent of RUC charges as an extra tax on fuel, that one of the reasons petrol is so much more expensive than diesel.

 

 

It's not for the life of the vehicle. As it stands right now, it's until 2020.....so just under 3 more years (assuming July 1st 2020)

....unless the policy changes. This government wants 64,000 EVs on the road by 2022. To get there they will need a lot more than RUC exemptions. There are currently just over 3,300.....up from 1051 in January last year. Growing rapidly and exponentially.....but is it sustainable without more support? I don't know. 

A new government after September 23rd might take even bigger steps......





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  #1781681 13-May-2017 15:41
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I think this was extended to 31st December 2021.


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  #1781683 13-May-2017 15:45
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I would advocate for pushing the RUC for EVs onto petrol and diesel users. Simple and effective: ICE cars get (marginally) more expensive while EVs remain cheap. The incentive to buy an EV will increase over time.

RUC will kill EVs... It costs about 1.5c/km to run my Leaf, but RUCs are 6.2c/km?... that would more than quadruple the cost! People will do their numbers and find its not worth it to buy an EV.

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  #1781721 13-May-2017 18:15
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why don't we have tax credits like every other market does? isn't that the reason nissan don't sell the leaf here new?








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  #1781742 13-May-2017 19:13
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pogo: I would advocate for pushing the RUC for EVs onto petrol and diesel users. Simple and effective: ICE cars get (marginally) more expensive while EVs remain cheap. The incentive to buy an EV will increase over time.

RUC will kill EVs... It costs about 1.5c/km to run my Leaf, but RUCs are 6.2c/km?... that would more than quadruple the cost! People will do their numbers and find its not worth it to buy an EV.

 

I think everyone should pay RUC, but there should be a carbon tax on the burning of fossil fuels.

 

As it stands, there is no "cost" to burning fossil fuels vs using forms of energy that don't result in 2.3kg of CO2 per litre burned of petrol (average-sized petrol car).  

If we are talking about vehicles paying their fair share....then why is it petrol and diesel vehicles can emit CO2 and other pollutants / poisons for "free"? 

 

 





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  #1781743 13-May-2017 19:16
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darrenw:

 

I'm looking to buy a used LEAF and I checked out a Jap import Gen 1 at a dealer recently with 12 bars remaining, but Leaf Spy reports 82% SOH. I thought first bar disappears at 85%? Any reason why it wouldn't?

 

As an aside, it's had 1100 charge cycles (very few QCs) at an average of only 15 km/charge, which I guess is plausible. I'm just fishing for whether I should be wary of what Leaf Spy tells me, or wary of the vehicle itself! Any thoughts?

 

 

Dealership scanner (Nissan Consult3+) allows to erase/reset/reprog some metrics in Leaf. That is true not only for Leaf but for many modern cars. Some sellers know that. I am not surprised. By the way try to avoid buying Gen1 for many other reasons.

 

Once I saw Toyota Mark X at one big dealership.It had wear & tear which was not possible with claimed 69000 kms. My scanner revealed nearly 400000 kms (stored in non-erasable memory of the engine computer :-(

 

in another Mark X scanner revealed that some sensors related to automatic transmission were missed. Car had manual. How come? Under pressure owner admitted they changed gear.

 

LeafSpy has to be used by the buyer with clear understanding what they are looking at. Simple as: at the lowest possible level of charge (cells around 3V) look for voltage difference in mV. Hundreds - too bad. At high charge that could be very low - below 20mV. And that what sellers are usually show you.




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  #1781746 13-May-2017 19:28
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RUKI:

 

darrenw:

 

I'm looking to buy a used LEAF and I checked out a Jap import Gen 1 at a dealer recently with 12 bars remaining, but Leaf Spy reports 82% SOH. I thought first bar disappears at 85%? Any reason why it wouldn't?

 

As an aside, it's had 1100 charge cycles (very few QCs) at an average of only 15 km/charge, which I guess is plausible. I'm just fishing for whether I should be wary of what Leaf Spy tells me, or wary of the vehicle itself! Any thoughts?

 

 

Dealership scanner (Nissan Consult3+) allows to erase/reset/reprog some metrics in Leaf. That is true not only for Leaf but for many modern cars. Some sellers know that. I am not surprised. By the way try to avoid buying Gen1 for many other reasons.

 

Once I saw Toyota Mark X at one big dealership.It had wear & tear which was not possible with claimed 69000 kms. My scanner revealed nearly 400000 kms (stored in non-erasable memory of the engine computer :-(

 

in another Mark X scanner revealed that some sensors related to automatic transmission were missed. Car had manual. How come? Under pressure owner admitted they changed gear.

 

LeafSpy has to be used by the buyer with clear understanding what they are looking at. Simple as: at the lowest possible level of charge (cells around 3V) look for voltage difference in mV. Hundreds - too bad. At high charge that could be very low - below 20mV. And that what sellers are usually show you.

 

 

Good advice. 

I use LEAF Spy Pro.....which also shows the VIN of the vehicle examined. The free version does not, so you can't be sure what vehicle was actually examined. 

Best thing to do is deal with a reputable dealer. I have bought two LEAFs from AutoLink in Grey Lynn (Auckland) and been very happy with them both. 





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