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  Reply # 1799011 13-Jun-2017 00:20
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Let's hope globally means including NZ. Maybe when new NZ Leaf's are being sold we can get access or licenses for NZ maps for the current generation Leafs. That is the only negative thing I found out with buying an imported car. No NZ maps leaving you with a worthless inbuilt navigation system. Fiddling with my mobile to find my way, felt like going back in time, considered using my Treo 650 mobile to do it in style. 

 

 

I guess the question is: Are you ok with paying $60-70K for a Leaf? And are there enough other people willing to pay that?







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  Reply # 1799040 13-Jun-2017 08:07
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Let's hope globally means including NZ. Maybe when new NZ Leaf's are being sold we can get access or licenses for NZ maps for the current generation Leafs. That is the only negative thing I found out with buying an imported car. No NZ maps leaving you with a worthless inbuilt navigation system. Fiddling with my mobile to find my way, felt like going back in time, considered using my Treo 650 mobile to do it in style. 

 

 

I guess the question is: Are you ok with paying $60-70K for a Leaf? And are there enough other people willing to pay that?

 

 

There are a lot of people with reservations for the Tesla Model 3 in NZ. That's one of the reasons Tesla opened an office here. It will have a similar price. 

 

Government and corporate fleets buy vehicles in that price range, though for buying 20 or 50 of them they don't pay that price. They'd probably get a 20% discount.

 

In effect, the car vendor is giving government and corporates a 20% "subsidy" to buy their cars....and for EVs that is backward, eh... :-)  





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  Reply # 1799096 13-Jun-2017 09:13
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Cybnate:

 

 

 

Let's hope globally means including NZ. Maybe when new NZ Leaf's are being sold we can get access or licenses for NZ maps for the current generation Leafs. That is the only negative thing I found out with buying an imported car. No NZ maps leaving you with a worthless inbuilt navigation system. Fiddling with my mobile to find my way, felt like going back in time, considered using my Treo 650 mobile to do it in style. 

 

 

I guess the question is: Are you ok with paying $60-70K for a Leaf? And are there enough other people willing to pay that?

 

 

I guess you must be able to have the inbuilt navigation system of an imported Leaf reprogrammed to display NZ maps? How much do you think it would cost to have that done?

 

And why should a NZ new Leaf cost $60 - $70K, that's a ridiculous price for what you get! And so is paying $87,000 for a NZ new BMW i3! Even second-hand pure electric old model i3's are being advertised at around $40 - $45K, and that's also ridiculous to get a range of only about 100km - 120km (if you're lucky)!

 

 

 

 




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  Reply # 1799123 13-Jun-2017 09:42
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jarledb:

 

Cybnate:

 

 

 

Let's hope globally means including NZ. Maybe when new NZ Leaf's are being sold we can get access or licenses for NZ maps for the current generation Leafs. That is the only negative thing I found out with buying an imported car. No NZ maps leaving you with a worthless inbuilt navigation system. Fiddling with my mobile to find my way, felt like going back in time, considered using my Treo 650 mobile to do it in style. 

 

 

I guess the question is: Are you ok with paying $60-70K for a Leaf? And are there enough other people willing to pay that?

 

 

I guess you must be able to have the inbuilt navigation system of an imported Leaf reprogrammed to display NZ maps? How much do you think it would cost to have that done?

 

And why should a NZ new Leaf cost $60 - $70K, that's a ridiculous price for what you get! And so is paying $87,000 for a NZ new BMW i3! Even second-hand pure electric old model i3's are being advertised at around $40 - $45K, and that's also ridiculous to get a range of only about 100km - 120km (if you're lucky)!

 

 

The old i3 can, I think, get an upgrade to the new 33kWh battery....and the range is the best of all the current smaller EVs. The battery costs, but it would still be a lot cheaper than a new one. The number I heard for the upgrade was $10k. The range is then - even if just on battery alone - about 210km - 240km. 

I know an i3 (33kWh) on the Leading the Charge drive I did covered the 137km from Napier to Taupo at 100kph regular speeds with over 20% to spare on a terrible day with a strong headwind.......and that pair of 750m hill climbs out of Napier toward Taupo is a big power sucker - petrol or electric.  





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  Reply # 1799128 13-Jun-2017 09:52
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Cybnate:

 

 

 

Let's hope globally means including NZ. Maybe when new NZ Leaf's are being sold we can get access or licenses for NZ maps for the current generation Leafs. That is the only negative thing I found out with buying an imported car. No NZ maps leaving you with a worthless inbuilt navigation system. Fiddling with my mobile to find my way, felt like going back in time, considered using my Treo 650 mobile to do it in style. 

 

 

I guess the question is: Are you ok with paying $60-70K for a Leaf? And are there enough other people willing to pay that?

 

 

We always pay a premium for pretty much everything in this country - mainly I think because we are a very small market - so the overheads (freight, parts, after sales support ) make up a higher percentage of the price than in larger markets.

 

But then I think sometimes you get opportunist price gouging as well - What will the market pay - rather than what can we reasonably sell someting for.

 

The parallel import Leafs have also benefited from generous government subsidies in their original market. So Nissan NZ cant offer that on NZ new vehicles. 

 

I guess if you had a manufacturer selling very large amounts of an EV here then you might start seeing more attractive pricing.





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  Reply # 1799164 13-Jun-2017 10:24
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frednz:

 

jarledb:

 

Cybnate:

 

 

 

Let's hope globally means including NZ. Maybe when new NZ Leaf's are being sold we can get access or licenses for NZ maps for the current generation Leafs. That is the only negative thing I found out with buying an imported car. No NZ maps leaving you with a worthless inbuilt navigation system. Fiddling with my mobile to find my way, felt like going back in time, considered using my Treo 650 mobile to do it in style. 

 

 

I guess the question is: Are you ok with paying $60-70K for a Leaf? And are there enough other people willing to pay that?

 

 

I guess you must be able to have the inbuilt navigation system of an imported Leaf reprogrammed to display NZ maps? How much do you think it would cost to have that done?

 

And why should a NZ new Leaf cost $60 - $70K, that's a ridiculous price for what you get! And so is paying $87,000 for a NZ new BMW i3! Even second-hand pure electric old model i3's are being advertised at around $40 - $45K, and that's also ridiculous to get a range of only about 100km - 120km (if you're lucky)!

 

 

The old i3 can, I think, get an upgrade to the new 33kWh battery....and the range is the best of all the current smaller EVs. The battery costs, but it would still be a lot cheaper than a new one. The number I heard for the upgrade was $10k. The range is then - even if just on battery alone - about 210km - 240km. 

I know an i3 (33kWh) on the Leading the Charge drive I did covered the 137km from Napier to Taupo at 100kph regular speeds with over 20% to spare on a terrible day with a strong headwind.......and that pair of 750m hill climbs out of Napier toward Taupo is a big power sucker - petrol or electric.  

 

 

It's good to see that the 2017 i3 model made it OK from Napier to Taupo. But, would you have been game to take the old model (2014) pure electric i3 on the same journey? Yet, dealers want you to pay $45,000 for a 2014 pure electric i3 that I certainly wouldn't have the confidence to drive from Napier to Taupo!!!

 

As for the range of the 2017 pure electric i3, this review said that:

 

But where the original i3 had a theoretical range of 160km/h, or 300km with the range extender option, the 94Ah model in purely electric form claims up to 245km and up to 370km with the petrol range-extender option.

 

In the real world, of course, the 94Ah is more likely to cover a maximum of 200km on charge alone once you factor in air-conditioner use and other sources of energy consumption.

 

I think this is pretty much the conclusion of several other articles about the 2017 i3. In fact, I think the 28kWh Hyundai Ionic gets close to matching the range of the latest i3.

 

Yes, BMW do say that the batteries can be upgraded, but is this service available to NZ customers yet? I think a fitted price of US $10,000 may be nearer the mark?


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  Reply # 1799192 13-Jun-2017 10:56
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There are a lot of people with reservations for the Tesla Model 3 in NZ. That's one of the reasons Tesla opened an office here. It will have a similar price. 

 

 

If they don´t price gauge the Model 3, it should be around $60K, thats true.

 

In my mind thats going to be better value for money than the Leaf.

 

I could be wrong, and the build quality of the Model S and Model X are pretty bad for the amount of money you pay for the car. I am following a forum for Norwegian Model X owners, and there are plenty of things that Tesla can improve on the X.

 

Still haven´t stopped me from dreaming about the Model X since I test drove it in Norway this year.

 

Will be interesting to see their build quality for the Model 3 when it gets on the market. I might end up happy I didn´t sign up for the Model 3 when it was launched.





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Anyone have any approximations of how much additional battery usage (or kWh) per 100m of elevation?

I have a 30kWh model.

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  Reply # 1802996 18-Jun-2017 15:29
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I havent got hard data but if you know where you are driving to this site might help estimate battery use.

 

http://www.jurassictest.ch/GR/


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  Reply # 1803010 18-Jun-2017 16:52
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I guess you must be able to have the inbuilt navigation system of an imported Leaf reprogrammed to display NZ maps? How much do you think it would cost to have that done?

 

 

 

 

I would love to know that. Or should I invest in a small tablet which I can somehow stick over the current console when I need navigation?

 

 


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  Reply # 1803013 18-Jun-2017 17:07
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How about using a phone with plugshare to list the charging points which are navigated to using google navigate then stick it onto the screen somewhere with a phone holder?


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  Reply # 1803185 19-Jun-2017 08:43
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I drove a Leaf yesterday and was suitably impressed. My wife also drove and was also very happy, three children in the back said they were happy but looked at bit squished in.

 

Don't like the Japanese display though, this limits options.  Car dealer advised they have battery checks from Japan, but don't do a warranty as such.  Then started talking about protector doing warranty, this would be a $$$ add on.

 

Not sure that higher cost over similar petrol car would ever pay back, but it sure felt good. 

 

Has anyone driven more expensive Kia Soul EV or Hyundai Ioniq EV? 


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  Reply # 1803702 19-Jun-2017 22:06
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frednz:

 

I guess you must be able to have the inbuilt navigation system of an imported Leaf reprogrammed to display NZ maps? How much do you think it would cost to have that done?

 

 

I would love to know that. Or should I invest in a small tablet which I can somehow stick over the current console when I need navigation?

 

 

GPS for NZ for AV unit is not supported. JDM AV unit can not be fully and cheaply reprogrammed into English with all functionality in place. Changing to USA or EU unit to have English is doable but again without GPS support. The latest analysis (done by EE in USA) also suggests that EU unit has some Audio Amplifier differences with USA unit. But no info how EU unit will perform in JDM. US in JDM is OK but with radio issues for Auckland (doable).





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  Reply # 1803722 19-Jun-2017 23:26
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How about using a phone with plugshare to list the charging points which are navigated to using google navigate then stick it onto the screen somewhere with a phone holder?


Or just add a separate GPS unit like this 7" Garmin for $200...

http://www.nzmotorhome.co.nz/NZMotorhomeForum/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=15251

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  Reply # 1803849 20-Jun-2017 09:46
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afe66:

How about using a phone with plugshare to list the charging points which are navigated to using google navigate then stick it onto the screen somewhere with a phone holder?


Or just add a separate GPS unit like this 7" Garmin for $200...

http://www.nzmotorhome.co.nz/NZMotorhomeForum/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=15251


The advantage of the phone route would be the integration with plug share listing charging station locations and their occupancy status.

Also I suppose most of us already have suitable phones. I had a 5 inch Tom Tom for a few years but then put my phone on holder in front of me and I found myself not using it any more. Phone has voice activation, so it if you, self updating maps etc.

Does that have plugshare integration with updates of charging ? Can you link to your phone? I tried to look but site kept timing out.

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