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  Reply # 1799164 13-Jun-2017 10:24
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Linuxluver:

 

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Let's hope globally means including NZ. Maybe when new NZ Leaf's are being sold we can get access or licenses for NZ maps for the current generation Leafs. That is the only negative thing I found out with buying an imported car. No NZ maps leaving you with a worthless inbuilt navigation system. Fiddling with my mobile to find my way, felt like going back in time, considered using my Treo 650 mobile to do it in style. 

 

 

I guess the question is: Are you ok with paying $60-70K for a Leaf? And are there enough other people willing to pay that?

 

 

I guess you must be able to have the inbuilt navigation system of an imported Leaf reprogrammed to display NZ maps? How much do you think it would cost to have that done?

 

And why should a NZ new Leaf cost $60 - $70K, that's a ridiculous price for what you get! And so is paying $87,000 for a NZ new BMW i3! Even second-hand pure electric old model i3's are being advertised at around $40 - $45K, and that's also ridiculous to get a range of only about 100km - 120km (if you're lucky)!

 

 

The old i3 can, I think, get an upgrade to the new 33kWh battery....and the range is the best of all the current smaller EVs. The battery costs, but it would still be a lot cheaper than a new one. The number I heard for the upgrade was $10k. The range is then - even if just on battery alone - about 210km - 240km. 

I know an i3 (33kWh) on the Leading the Charge drive I did covered the 137km from Napier to Taupo at 100kph regular speeds with over 20% to spare on a terrible day with a strong headwind.......and that pair of 750m hill climbs out of Napier toward Taupo is a big power sucker - petrol or electric.  

 

 

It's good to see that the 2017 i3 model made it OK from Napier to Taupo. But, would you have been game to take the old model (2014) pure electric i3 on the same journey? Yet, dealers want you to pay $45,000 for a 2014 pure electric i3 that I certainly wouldn't have the confidence to drive from Napier to Taupo!!!

 

As for the range of the 2017 pure electric i3, this review said that:

 

But where the original i3 had a theoretical range of 160km/h, or 300km with the range extender option, the 94Ah model in purely electric form claims up to 245km and up to 370km with the petrol range-extender option.

 

In the real world, of course, the 94Ah is more likely to cover a maximum of 200km on charge alone once you factor in air-conditioner use and other sources of energy consumption.

 

I think this is pretty much the conclusion of several other articles about the 2017 i3. In fact, I think the 28kWh Hyundai Ionic gets close to matching the range of the latest i3.

 

Yes, BMW do say that the batteries can be upgraded, but is this service available to NZ customers yet? I think a fitted price of US $10,000 may be nearer the mark?


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  Reply # 1799192 13-Jun-2017 10:56
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Linuxluver:

 

 

 

There are a lot of people with reservations for the Tesla Model 3 in NZ. That's one of the reasons Tesla opened an office here. It will have a similar price. 

 

 

If they don´t price gauge the Model 3, it should be around $60K, thats true.

 

In my mind thats going to be better value for money than the Leaf.

 

I could be wrong, and the build quality of the Model S and Model X are pretty bad for the amount of money you pay for the car. I am following a forum for Norwegian Model X owners, and there are plenty of things that Tesla can improve on the X.

 

Still haven´t stopped me from dreaming about the Model X since I test drove it in Norway this year.

 

Will be interesting to see their build quality for the Model 3 when it gets on the market. I might end up happy I didn´t sign up for the Model 3 when it was launched.





 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1802941 18-Jun-2017 12:50
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Anyone have any approximations of how much additional battery usage (or kWh) per 100m of elevation?

I have a 30kWh model.

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  Reply # 1802996 18-Jun-2017 15:29
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I havent got hard data but if you know where you are driving to this site might help estimate battery use.

 

http://www.jurassictest.ch/GR/


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  Reply # 1803010 18-Jun-2017 16:52
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frednz:

 

I guess you must be able to have the inbuilt navigation system of an imported Leaf reprogrammed to display NZ maps? How much do you think it would cost to have that done?

 

 

 

 

I would love to know that. Or should I invest in a small tablet which I can somehow stick over the current console when I need navigation?

 

 


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  Reply # 1803013 18-Jun-2017 17:07
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How about using a phone with plugshare to list the charging points which are navigated to using google navigate then stick it onto the screen somewhere with a phone holder?


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  Reply # 1803185 19-Jun-2017 08:43
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I drove a Leaf yesterday and was suitably impressed. My wife also drove and was also very happy, three children in the back said they were happy but looked at bit squished in.

 

Don't like the Japanese display though, this limits options.  Car dealer advised they have battery checks from Japan, but don't do a warranty as such.  Then started talking about protector doing warranty, this would be a $$$ add on.

 

Not sure that higher cost over similar petrol car would ever pay back, but it sure felt good. 

 

Has anyone driven more expensive Kia Soul EV or Hyundai Ioniq EV? 


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  Reply # 1803702 19-Jun-2017 22:06
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Cybnate:

 

frednz:

 

I guess you must be able to have the inbuilt navigation system of an imported Leaf reprogrammed to display NZ maps? How much do you think it would cost to have that done?

 

 

I would love to know that. Or should I invest in a small tablet which I can somehow stick over the current console when I need navigation?

 

 

GPS for NZ for AV unit is not supported. JDM AV unit can not be fully and cheaply reprogrammed into English with all functionality in place. Changing to USA or EU unit to have English is doable but again without GPS support. The latest analysis (done by EE in USA) also suggests that EU unit has some Audio Amplifier differences with USA unit. But no info how EU unit will perform in JDM. US in JDM is OK but with radio issues for Auckland (doable).





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  Reply # 1803722 19-Jun-2017 23:26
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How about using a phone with plugshare to list the charging points which are navigated to using google navigate then stick it onto the screen somewhere with a phone holder?


Or just add a separate GPS unit like this 7" Garmin for $200...

http://www.nzmotorhome.co.nz/NZMotorhomeForum/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=15251

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  Reply # 1803849 20-Jun-2017 09:46
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afe66:

How about using a phone with plugshare to list the charging points which are navigated to using google navigate then stick it onto the screen somewhere with a phone holder?


Or just add a separate GPS unit like this 7" Garmin for $200...

http://www.nzmotorhome.co.nz/NZMotorhomeForum/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=15251


The advantage of the phone route would be the integration with plug share listing charging station locations and their occupancy status.

Also I suppose most of us already have suitable phones. I had a 5 inch Tom Tom for a few years but then put my phone on holder in front of me and I found myself not using it any more. Phone has voice activation, so it if you, self updating maps etc.

Does that have plugshare integration with updates of charging ? Can you link to your phone? I tried to look but site kept timing out.

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  Reply # 1804836 21-Jun-2017 20:14
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afe66:

The advantage of the phone route would be the integration with plug share listing charging station locations and their occupancy status.

 

I believe you won't have the plugshare integration on the Garmin. Maybe you can import the fastchargers as POIs, but you will have to update them manually. Also haven't seen an importable fast charge POI list yet, Anyone tried that route already?

 

Will probably settle for the phone or a small cheap tablet, probably more practical.


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  Reply # 1806158 24-Jun-2017 18:37
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Leaf 2018 will get ProPilot. It is a single lane follow system:

NYDailyNews: When Nissan releases the latest generation of its all-electric Leaf hatchback later this year, it will feature a suit of semi-autonomous features that include braking, acceleration and steering assistance. Known as ProPilot, the system will even be able to function in stop-and-go highway traffic, thus making the most tedious driving conditions at least slightly less taxing. Using a network of cameras and radar sensors, the ProPilot system will track lane lines as well as the vehicles directly ahead of and behind the new Leaf and adjust its speed to keep it perfectly centered.




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  Reply # 1806450 25-Jun-2017 16:13
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afe66:

 

How about using a phone with plugshare to list the charging points which are navigated to using google navigate then stick it onto the screen somewhere with a phone holder?

 

 

This is my preferred option. Google Maps on my phone is pretty much as up to date as it's possible to be.....and integrates nicely with Plugshare. 

 

The in-car nav would just not be as good. 





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  Reply # 1806786 26-Jun-2017 10:10
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Hi so looking at a Leaf after a little research, pretty much eliminated the Hyundai Ioniq ev and Kia Soul ev.

 

Not not really sure on the difference between the models S, X, G?

 

And the question of buying a cheaper 2013 ish car,

 

or probably a 2014/2015 Japanese import 24kw battery approx $20,000,

 

or 2014/2015/2016 UK import 30kw and possibly 6.6kw fast charger nearer $30,000.

 

I think it better to invest more on a newer car/battery. Likely most charging overnight at home, and only have single pole 40 amp max power supply. The garage is separate from the house with 10 amp sockets, could possibly upgrade one to 16 amp charger in future. 

 

Would prefer the centre display in English. Any thoughts or advice please?


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  Reply # 1806859 26-Jun-2017 11:44
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I bought UK leaf which has the 6.6kW option and do all charging via 16A caravan sicker on its own circuit.

I decided that as it was going to be my first ever electric car, I wanted the dash to be in English out of fear that one day an icon or text would pop up and I would get stressed about what it meant if in Japanese.

Also I liked that UK and Nz power systems very similar.

If I was buying a UK car I'd get the 30kW option.

To see what the various model options are google the UK Nissan website. The g,s,x models are Japanese terms. UK has three names rather than letters.

Linux lover I think has a UK leaf with 30kW battery.

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