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  Reply # 1814260 7-Jul-2017 09:48
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PhantomNVD:

Thanks for the detailed reply... unfortunately we're in the lower price range, hoping to squeeze <$12,000 out our budget to go electric. SWMBO has a 35km each way daily commute with rural driving (no freeway, low hills) so a 100km limit should still work out ok from an 80% (recommended?) charge each night?

We'll still have my trusty Corolla ICE to do longer trips in, and a converted bus for the family holidays (still trying to work out how to use a Leaf for the 'toad') so range anxiety is not an issue yet... hopefully by my turn for a 'new-for-you' car in about 5 years I can get a good 'old' Leaf Gen 3 for around $10/15K 😆


Then it's Gen 1 for the win. :-) (Sorry - misread your price range as $10k to $20k.....not $12k.) 

They are very nice cars and typically well loved. The range should still easily do what you need it to do. If you topped it up to about 80% each night that would be perfect. More if you need it. Ideally, there would be a charger not far from where your wife works for those unexpected detours that come up from time to time. Maybe a couple of hours charging at work might be possible. Just needs an extension to the nearest power point, plus the EVSE that comes with the car - hopefully compatible with a 3112 household power outlet. Sometimes they give you blue commando (50% faster), but those outlets tend to be car ports and campgrounds. Shouldn't really matter if you have a fast charger not too far away. They are great for adding range in 10-15 minutes if you need it.  



Thanks again.

Any idea what a 'ball park' cost might be for the blue commando point to be added to our garage? I have a new build house on a "Lifestyle Block" so picked 3 phase supply to the mains box on the internal garage wall. I'm looking at Electric Kiwi's 'hour of power' and wondering if it's cost effective over the next 5 years or so to basically have 'free' power to run the car on?

Currently on Powershop my /kWh cost (low user) is averaging 32c/kWh but not sure how to factor in the charge costs/mileage of the car yet?

Any helpful formula or (non FB) link available?

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  Reply # 1814263 7-Jul-2017 09:58
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Interesting fact: Jan 1 to June 30 this year saw 717 LEAFs registered for the first time in NZ. Every last one is a used import. 

 

 

717 new to NZ roads in that six month period?

 

Wow - pretty impressive.

 

I could easily live with a leaf - the only thing I have in mind is the overall life span of the car - As I have commented before a regular car might be expected to be pretty much functional for say 20 years. The battery pack on a leaf (being the bit that will wear out) will last ??? So what are the logistics of battery pack replacement. Nissan wont care (as wouldnt any other manufacturer) so it makes me wonder if there will be a point where there might be third party suppliers that can provide a "re-power" at some point. Potentially the battery range could even be improved from new specs with advancing battery technology.

 

Out of interest - Has anyone heard anything about (third party) battery pack replacement?





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  Reply # 1815606 7-Jul-2017 17:46
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Out of interest - Has anyone heard anything about (third party) battery pack replacement?

 

 

I am sure @RUKI have some plans...





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  Reply # 1819558 11-Jul-2017 13:33
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I just had a call from Daniel at GVI about a Leaf I enquired about.

 

They can reprogram some of the dash to English and are working on a solution for the centre display.  Expects to have this resolved within two months, total cost around $1200 to convert a Japanese car to English.  HE said to watch their Facebook page for updates.

 

 

GVI are now listing several Leafs Gen I and II with "** Full English Dash / Instrument Panel Conversion! **"





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  Reply # 1821572 12-Jul-2017 23:42
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robjg63:


 


Out of interest - Has anyone heard anything about (third party) battery pack replacement?



I am sure @RUKI have some plans...



I've heard Nissan run a replacement battery deal for $100/month (US$?)

Anyone know if that works in NZ too?

E.g. I buy the Gen1 we can currently afford, register with Nissan NZ (still in the 8year period required from DofMan) and get a fully new (new tech?) 24KWh battery set and pay it off at US$100/m for the five years they offer in USA?

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  Reply # 1822177 13-Jul-2017 22:43
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kotuku4:

 

I just had a call from Daniel at GVI about a Leaf I enquired about.

 

They can reprogram some of the dash to English and are working on a solution for the centre display.  Expects to have this resolved within two months, total cost around $1200 to convert a Japanese car to English.  HE said to watch their Facebook page for updates.

 

 

GVI are now listing several Leafs Gen I and II with "** Full English Dash / Instrument Panel Conversion! **"

 

 

Instrument Cluster (called MWI in service manual, also called Meter/M&A in Consult) can be converted into English. I am working on it as well.





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jarledb:

 

robjg63:

 

Out of interest - Has anyone heard anything about (third party) battery pack replacement?

 

 

I am sure @RUKI have some plans...

 

 

Not looking into 3-rd party offerings. But working on SOP / SOW to be able to swap battery in ~30-60 min instead of 2 days. Relevant to any Leaf battery pack.





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  Reply # 1822499 14-Jul-2017 14:33
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Linuxluver:

 

PhantomNVD:

Thanks for the detailed reply... unfortunately we're in the lower price range, hoping to squeeze <$12,000 out our budget to go electric. SWMBO has a 35km each way daily commute with rural driving (no freeway, low hills) so a 100km limit should still work out ok from an 80% (recommended?) charge each night?

We'll still have my trusty Corolla ICE to do longer trips in, and a converted bus for the family holidays (still trying to work out how to use a Leaf for the 'toad') so range anxiety is not an issue yet... hopefully by my turn for a 'new-for-you' car in about 5 years I can get a good 'old' Leaf Gen 3 for around $10/15K 😆

 

 

 

Then it's Gen 1 for the win. :-) (Sorry - misread your price range as $10k to $20k.....not $12k.) 

They are very nice cars and typically well loved. The range should still easily do what you need it to do. If you topped it up to about 80% each night that would be perfect. More if you need it. Ideally, there would be a charger not far from where your wife works for those unexpected detours that come up from time to time. Maybe a couple of hours charging at work might be possible. Just needs an extension to the nearest power point, plus the EVSE that comes with the car - hopefully compatible with a 3112 household power outlet. Sometimes they give you blue commando (50% faster), but those outlets tend to be car ports and campgrounds. Shouldn't really matter if you have a fast charger not too far away. They are great for adding range in 10-15 minutes if you need it.  

 



Thanks again.

Any idea what a 'ball park' cost might be for the blue commando point to be added to our garage? I have a new build house on a "Lifestyle Block" so picked 3 phase supply to the mains box on the internal garage wall. I'm looking at Electric Kiwi's 'hour of power' and wondering if it's cost effective over the next 5 years or so to basically have 'free' power to run the car on?

Currently on Powershop my /kWh cost (low user) is averaging 32c/kWh but not sure how to factor in the charge costs/mileage of the car yet?

Any helpful formula or (non FB) link available?

 

If you buy a LEAF with a 3.3kw internal AC charger, then a blue commando plug is a good choice. I will deliver 3.3kw at 16amp. For me, that draw meant I needed a separate circuit to the carport. I couldn't add 16amp to any exiting circuits without causing then to trip when other appliances were used....like oil column heaters in the winter. That pushed my cost up. But if you already have serious power to your garage, then adding an isolator switch and BC socket to the wall next to the existing power interface should be pretty cheap. 

If you have a LEAF with a 6.7kw internal AC charger (very common on UK imports, hen's teeth on Japanese imports) then you can get a wall-mounted 32amp charger like the 32amp version of the ROLEC Wallpod. I have one of these installed. It can charge a 6.7kw charge-able LEAF fro low to almost full (14% t 90%) in about 3.5 hours. Whereas blue commando would take twice that time.

The power cost is just kWh consumed times the price. The free huor of power sounds good. In an hour at 16amp you'd get about 12% (30kWh LEAF) or at 32amp you'd get about 25% charge.

I'm on Powershop (high user) and pay about 21c / kWh. 





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  Reply # 1822503 14-Jul-2017 14:37
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PhantomNVD:
jarledb:

 

robjg63:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Out of interest - Has anyone heard anything about (third party) battery pack replacement?

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am sure @RUKI have some plans...

 



I've heard Nissan run a replacement battery deal for $100/month (US$?)

Anyone know if that works in NZ too?

E.g. I buy the Gen1 we can currently afford, register with Nissan NZ (still in the 8year period required from DofMan) and get a fully new (new tech?) 24KWh battery set and pay it off at US$100/m for the five years they offer in USA?

 

Nissan in NZ hasn't, so far, shown much interest in the LEAF beyond providing servicing. It's an off-shoot of Nissan AU, apparently, and AU is quite backward on EVs. 





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  Reply # 1825580 20-Jul-2017 00:38
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So I spent the day trawling the second hand Auckland market for Nissan Leafs in my price range and came across two comparative ‘gems’... 1 gen2 (model S) with 66,000 and 10 bars, and one gen 1 model X with 11 bars and 23,000 for roughly the same price.
Is a Gen1 11bar better than a gen2 (lowest spec) 10 bar for distance and efficiency?

Did the battery technology improve enough that the Gen 2 with 6.7% less will go further than a Gen 1 at 11 bars (85%)?

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  Reply # 1825620 20-Jul-2017 08:25
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PhantomNVD: So I spent the day trawling the second hand Auckland market for Nissan Leafs in my price range and came across two comparative ‘gems’... 1 gen2 (model S) with 66,000 and 10 bars, and one gen 1 model X with 11 bars and 23,000 for roughly the same price.
Is a Gen1 11bar better than a gen2 (lowest spec) 10 bar for distance and efficiency?

Did the battery technology improve enough that the Gen 2 with 6.7% less will go further than a Gen 1 at 11 bars (85%)?

 

Gen2 has a more efficient heater, and a bit more efficient in general.  X trim has the entertainment system (S does not).  Hard to say if these would have the same range or not, but probably close.


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  Reply # 1825896 20-Jul-2017 14:05
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When shopping for Nissan Leaf - do not get much excited about ODO or number of "bars".

 

The reason for this warning is:

 

- Leaf's ODO is changeable without trace in less than a minute (expect that to be done in Japan)

 

- Number of "bars" - i.e. record of battery degradation is erasable without trace in few minutes (expect that to be done in Japan).

 

- Erasing number of charges - is done without trace in few minutes independently from two records above. As of today no information that somebody is changing # charges, however - no obstacles for those who managed the above to do the other bit.

 

We do not know yet how long (number of cycles) will it take for the computers to pick up the real "degradation" but would be interesting to conduct that kind of test on "8-9 Bar" Leaf.

 

 





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RUKI:

 

When shopping for Nissan Leaf - do not get much excited about ODO or number of "bars".

 

The reason for this warning is:

 

- Leaf's ODO is changeable without trace in less than a minute (expect that to be done in Japan)

 

- Number of "bars" - i.e. record of battery degradation is erasable without trace in few minutes (expect that to be done in Japan).

 

- Erasing number of charges - is done without trace in few minutes independently from two records above. As of today no information that somebody is changing # charges, however - no obstacles for those who managed the above to do the other bit.

 

We do not know yet how long (number of cycles) will it take for the computers to pick up the real "degradation" but would be interesting to conduct that kind of test on "8-9 Bar" Leaf.

 

 

Seems like it doesn't take much to update.  Maybe one or two battery charge / discharge cycles.  General wisdom is that a range test is the best way to know the true battery SOH.


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  Reply # 1826125 20-Jul-2017 19:33
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ubergeeknz:

RUKI:


When shopping for Nissan Leaf - do not get much excited about ODO or number of "bars".


The reason for this warning is:


- Leaf's ODO is changeable without trace in less than a minute (expect that to be done in Japan)


- Number of "bars" - i.e. record of battery degradation is erasable without trace in few minutes (expect that to be done in Japan).


- Erasing number of charges - is done without trace in few minutes independently from two records above. As of today no information that somebody is changing # charges, however - no obstacles for those who managed the above to do the other bit.


We do not know yet how long (number of cycles) will it take for the computers to pick up the real "degradation" but would be interesting to conduct that kind of test on "8-9 Bar" Leaf.



Seems like it doesn't take much to update.  Maybe one or two battery charge / discharge cycles.  General wisdom is that a range test is the best way to know the true battery SOH.



But how many second hand car sales will allow a prospective buyer a full 100km+ test drive to see if the battery holds out?



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  Reply # 1826246 20-Jul-2017 22:07
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PhantomNVD: So I spent the day trawling the second hand Auckland market for Nissan Leafs in my price range and came across two comparative ‘gems’... 1 gen2 (model S) with 66,000 and 10 bars, and one gen 1 model X with 11 bars and 23,000 for roughly the same price.
Is a Gen1 11bar better than a gen2 (lowest spec) 10 bar for distance and efficiency?

Did the battery technology improve enough that the Gen 2 with 6.7% less will go further than a Gen 1 at 11 bars (85%)?

 

The Gen 2 battery is generally more robust and would have had about 17% greater range than the Gen 1 when new. 

There also seem to be two versions if Gen 2 (from about April 2013) battery changes were - allegedly - slip streamed in from late 2014 / early 2015. A 24kWh 2015 LEAF is probably out of your price range, though. They appear to start around $19k now.

You'd generally want to go for the newer battery......and a 10 bar Gen 2 probably has much the same range as an 11-bar Gen 1....though the Gen 2 battery, overall, should last longer and better.

Definitely buy from a major, *reputable* EV vendor (GVI, EV Central, Autolink, Volt Vehicles, PlugnDrive Man). The cowboys out there are sometimes up to no good as far as fiddling the bars and other visible measures.  





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