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  Reply # 1533401 15-Apr-2016 08:58
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I've been looking with interest at the VW eGolf which apparently is the #1 selling electric car in parts of Europe.

VW NZ make no mention of it on their website.  Does anyone know if any of these have been imported to NZ, and would they be compatible with the charging stations being rolled out around the North Island?






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grant_k:

 

I've been looking with interest at the VW eGolf which apparently is the #1 selling electric car in parts of Europe.

VW NZ make no mention of it on their website.  Does anyone know if any of these have been imported to NZ, and would they be compatible with the charging stations being rolled out around the North Island?

 

 

 

 

NZ EV fleet stats don't show any VW EVs registered in NZ

 

http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Research/Documents/EV-report/EV-and-hybrid-data-March-2016.xls


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  Reply # 1533413 15-Apr-2016 09:20
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Scott3:

 

gzt: Some people do not buy Japanese for fashion reasons, so this could suit them.

In that segment 20K less than i3 and longer range, smaller car.

 

Renault Zoe: $65,208 plus GST = 75k

 

BMW i3 Rex (Range extended) = 83k

 

The BMW i3 is much better car in my opinion. Carbon fiber construction, much faster, With petrol range extender (only version offend new in NZ), RWD.

 

i3 is a touch smaller than the Zoe:

 

Although the i3 has great headroom in the back... and drives like a rocket sled on rails around corners...

 

What is also interesting is that Air NZ's EV annoucnements saw them buy i3s over a vehicle such as the Zoe (despite going for the Kangoo Van for Air field ops )

 

I suspect they liked haveing the ReX to assure staff they they wouldn't end up being stranded if they outdrove the Battery...... 


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  Reply # 1533421 15-Apr-2016 09:31
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Although the i3 has great headroom in the back... and drives like a rocket sled on rails around corners...

 

What is also interesting is that Air NZ's EV annoucnements saw them buy i3s over a vehicle such as the Zoe (despite going for the Kangoo Van for Air field ops )

 

I suspect they liked haveing the ReX to assure staff they they wouldn't end up being stranded if they outdrove the Battery...... 

 


The very poor headroom in the i3 is the main reason I like the eGolf better.  Basically it's an electric version of what I have now, with the 'rocket sled on rails around corners' comment definitely applicable to any higher performance Golf.

It's early days yet for EVs and with my Golf having just gone over 50,000km and just on 5 years old, I have a bit of time until I'll be looking for a replacement.






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  Reply # 1533446 15-Apr-2016 10:31
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Had a chance to drive Leaf imported from UK on Monday. Very impresive. Quad Camera (bird's view) was cool. Acceleration almost immediate. Nice car.

 

Have Leaf 2013 set up in the Lab with almost all important computers and all harness and ODO and USA AV unit connected (except of battery. Battery and Inverter and Motor is in the other place with the wreck owner).

 

For those who are working on creating alternative to CarWings (Nissan Connect) - You are welcome if you need to use set up to test your creative work..


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  Reply # 1533734 15-Apr-2016 21:03
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grant_k:

 

I've been looking with interest at the VW eGolf which apparently is the #1 selling electric car in parts of Europe.

VW NZ make no mention of it on their website.  Does anyone know if any of these have been imported to NZ, and would they be compatible with the charging stations being rolled out around the North Island?

 

They are coming later this year:

 

http://www.carandsuv.co.nz/news/e-golfs-nz-sales-q4


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  Reply # 1533740 15-Apr-2016 21:14
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RUKI:

 

Had a chance to drive Leaf imported from UK on Monday. Very impresive. Quad Camera (bird's view) was cool. Acceleration almost immediate. Nice car.

 

Have Leaf 2013 set up in the Lab with almost all important computers and all harness and ODO and USA AV unit connected (except of battery. Battery and Inverter and Motor is in the other place with the wreck owner).

 

For those who are working on creating alternative to CarWings (Nissan Connect) - You are welcome if you need to use set up to test your creative work..

 

 

 

 

I'd love to know if anyone can make progress on the English conversion of the headunits... I have a Skyline crossover with a similar headunit and it's all Japanese. There is one guy in Auckland charging $1600 for a dodgy software upgrade to convert it to English, but he's literally the only guy in the country that can do it and is charging way too much for a SW upgrade that's not authorised in any case.

 

 

 

I wish the technology would make a break outside the very tightly controlled group of Russians that know how to do this in .eu, Aussie and NZ

 

 

 

Cheers - N

 

 


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alasta:

 

grant_k:

 

I've been looking with interest at the VW eGolf which apparently is the #1 selling electric car in parts of Europe.

VW NZ make no mention of it on their website.  Does anyone know if any of these have been imported to NZ, and would they be compatible with the charging stations being rolled out around the North Island?

 

They are coming later this year:

 

http://www.carandsuv.co.nz/news/e-golfs-nz-sales-q4

 


Awesome, thanks for that.  $60 - $70k is pretty much what I thought it might be.  Basically it has the performance of a GTI so long as you don't need to drive more than 190km at a stretch.  This might not suit everybody, but it will be fine for us.






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grant_k:

 

alasta:

 

grant_k:

 

I've been looking with interest at the VW eGolf which apparently is the #1 selling electric car in parts of Europe.

VW NZ make no mention of it on their website.  Does anyone know if any of these have been imported to NZ, and would they be compatible with the charging stations being rolled out around the North Island?

 

They are coming later this year:

 

http://www.carandsuv.co.nz/news/e-golfs-nz-sales-q4

 


Awesome, thanks for that.  $60 - $70k is pretty much what I thought it might be.  Basically it has the performance of a GTI so long as you don't need to drive more than 190km at a stretch.  This might not suit everybody, but it will be fine for us.

 

 

I'm a big fan of the e-Golf (can't get behind the Leaf), but that pricing seems a little steep. That's Golf R money. I'm a huge EV fan but at that price I'm taking the R.

 

Hopefully the Tesla 3 comes in at something reasonable over here





 


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  Reply # 1533760 15-Apr-2016 21:51
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Is charging standardised (voltage, plug format etc) between EVs?





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  Reply # 1533789 15-Apr-2016 22:20
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MikeAqua:

 

Is charging standardised (voltage, plug format etc) between EVs?

 

 

No it's not.  The Tesla has a different connector and electrical standard than the Leaf and so all the charging stations I've seen in Northland have two different connectors.  Like a petrol pump with 3 different hoses, but you can only use one at a time.

I fear that the BMW i3 and eGolf have yet another standard, but no doubt someone will come up with an electronic converter or adaptor cable.

Does anyone know more details about the electrical and connector standards used for European EVs, and how they differ from Tesla and the Leaf?






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Say you park a 30 kWh vehicle up for the night with 10% battery remaining, is the recharging cost calculation 27 * [energy provider's kWh rate] = cost to charge overnight? Methinks off peak power periods will end up disappearing as more EVs are brought to market.


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Talkiet:

 

I'd love to know if anyone can make progress on the English conversion of the headunits...

 

Autolink (one of main used Nissan leaf importers)has this add on some of their trademe pages:

 

HEAD UNIT CONVERSION TO ENGLISH SERVICE - ASK US

 

I haven't inquired further, but sounds like good news...

 

It's a pity that Nissan Japan doesn't just enable English in the menu. They already have to do the work for it for offshore markets, and we know the interface can handle multiple selective languages as the USA cars have both English and Spanish options... Would help the residual values of their cars in japan, and improve the reputation of their brand in NZ.

 

 

 

grant_k:
The very poor headroom in the i3 is the main reason I like the eGolf better.  

 

 

Credit to Kalus on http://www.myvwegolf.com/forum for the image.

 

i3 is has slightly more headroom in the front, But e-golf better in back, we are only talking about 20-30mm anyway

 

The i3 is a much faster car. e-golf is similar speed to the Nissan leaf which is plenty fast (especially at lower speeds), but not golf GTI fast if that what you are used to. (I got to take a golf GTI for a drive last year, and it was a lot of fun)

 

e-golf 0-100 is 10.4 sec

 

BMW i3 7.2 sec

 

BMW i3 REX 7.9sec (more weight from petrol fired generator under boot floor)

 

Can't comment on handling sorry.

 

 

 

I am really glad that VW are bringing the egolf to NZ, will be great to have more variety of plug in cars. I hope they bring the Passat GTE Wagon (plug-in hybrid) to NZ too, it would make a great competitor to the Out-lander PHEV , particularly for the green minded company car market.

 

MikeAqua:

 

Is charging standardised (voltage, plug format etc) between EVs?

 

 

As larknz said, No.

 

Basically there are two typed of EV charging:

 

  • Normal (Alternating current, fed to on-board charger)
  • Fast (Direct Current, fed direct to the battery)

All EV's have normal AC charging, many also additionally fast charging capability.

 

There are 2 vehicle side socket's:

 

Type 1 (single phase): 

 

 

Type 2 (single / There phase): 

 

 

Both these sockets are based on the same standard and use the same communication protocol etc.

 

Both these standards require a wall/pillar mounted box (or inline brick on charge cable). Inside this is some electronics that tell the car the maximum power draw that particular outlet can handle, and a relay that makes sure that the power terminals are dead untill the plug is fully mated and the earth is properly connected. (makes it safe to use outside and plug in in the rain).

 

This equipment is called "EVSE" or electric vehicle supply equipment. Most people call it a charger for convenience although the actual charger is mounted on the vehicle.

 

 

 

In regards to home charging, you simply get an fixed or portable EVSE with a tethered cord to suit the plug on your car.

 

Portable EVSE's that plug into a 10A domestic plug or a 16A campground socket are readily available, and most EV's come with one.

 

 

 

 

 

In regards to public charging, there are two approaches:

 

 

 

European (type 2 mounted socket): Bring your own cord.

 

 

Both type 1, and type 2 car's can plug in as they simply bring an appropriate cord to plug their own car in.

 

 

 

USA (type 1 tethered cord):

 

 

Only type 1 car's can plug in (technically it is possible to use an adapter cable to plug in type 2 car's but it breaches the standard)

 

 

 

 

 

In regards to fast charging, there are again two competing standards.

 

The charge.net stations have 2 cords, one for each standard.

 

 

 

Tesla has their own proprietary fast charge standard (supercharging), but they can use other fast charge stations with an adapter.

 

I think all the Tesla Model S's in NZ come form Australia or Europe so have the type 2 socket on the car. (unlike in the USA where they use another propriety connector (included 3" adaptor turns this into a type 1 port)


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UHD:

 

Say you park a 30 kWh vehicle up for the night with 10% battery remaining, is the recharging cost calculation 27 * [energy provider's kWh rate] = cost to charge overnight? Methinks off peak power periods will end up disappearing as more EVs are brought to market.

 

 

 

 

Sounds like you are on a low user tariff to be paying 27c per kW/hr. Move to a standard user rate and you will probably be paying around 20c per kW/hr (maybe less). And I have moved to a peak/offpeak plan with Flick electric. Averaging around 10.5c +GST offpeak and around 21c +GST peak. Lines charges same as standard user In Auckland. Peak hours are 7 to 11am and 5 to 9pm. Other times are offpeak. Bonus is that weekends are offpeak all day.

 

 

 

Also with battery charging. You can very quickly charge a battery from 0% to approx 50% and charging from 50% to 100% takes much longer. This means that most electricity use for EV charging is likely to add to existing peak usage. As when people arrive to work and start recharging, they will add to the morning peak. And when they get home, their recharging will add to the evening peak. This means that when EVs become mainstream, the power companies will be forced to put everyone onto some combination of peak / offpeak or demand based pricing. As Im benefiting from cheaper power prices as my demand profile suits peak/offpeak. That profile also means that before i was with Flick, my power company was making a larger than average profit from me. As I was using less of the expensive peak power and more of the cheap offpeak power. As more people switch to peak/offpeak plans. Those left on the flat rate plans will be the lower margin customers. So power companies will have to charge them more, as they won't be able to use people like me to help subsidise those customers.

 

And lowest demand is around 3am to 5am. EVs that are being charged overnight, will be either fully charged or close to it by then. Offpeak price plans are definitely not going away. If anything they will make a comeback. 10c per kW/hr overnight will also make it alot easier for low income people to keep warm over winter.






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