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  Reply # 1843152 10-Aug-2017 07:18
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 Looking at the rumoured details of the 2018 Leaf and I like almost everything apart from the likely price.  If I had been able to get a 2nd hand Leaf with 40kWh for under $30k then I would have made a real effort to increase my budget to step up to that car.  The more powerful motor and the 40kWh battery are very much features that provide important improvements, I wonder what a 2nd hand (maybe 2 year old) car in 5 years (i.e. a 2020 car in 2022) will cost?

 

I have been thinking about the logistics of driving my 24kWh Leaf and how that would compare to driving a 40kWh Leaf and I can see a very marked improvement.  To drive from home to some friends 135km away I would make a 10 minute stop halfway to fast charge and again on the return journey.  This would allow me to drive at normal speeds and very comfortably make the trip with no range anxiety at all.  With a 40kWh battery the same trip would be super easy with no stops for charging required.  With longer trips that I would now do with multiple stops - a 40kWh Leaf would be fine on just one stop for charging and lunch.  With the 41kWh Zoe and the 40kWh Leaf we may be seeing a trend developing - EVs coming with ~40kWh batteries when they once came with ~24kWh batteries.

 

I guess I'll just save money now and see how things develop.

 

 

I can say even the 30kWh battery is a huge improvement over the 24kWh battery. I had a 24kWh battery (100% SoH, too) LEAF for 4 months before my 30kWh LEAF arrived from the UK. There weren't so many fast chargers around a year ago, so I was a bit more constrained about where I could go without having to stop for long 16amp / 3.3kw top-ups. That said, I was able to drive north to Kawakawa easily and south to Hamilton....and I made it to Tauranga on one occasion, from Hamilton, over the Kaimais. And back. But that was pretty much it. This was one of the reasons I upgraded to the 30kWh LEAF.....so bridge those gaps and / or just let me drive "like normal" across a wider area.

The 30kWh battery has meant I can drive from Taupo to Napier non-stop. Longer legs to bridge gaps in the charger network make the whole travelling thing easier.....and the 30kWh also gives you more room when the weather is bad, the hills are steep or the wind is high on head on. 

In the meantime, around the top of the North Island, many new fast chargers opened up and made it much easier to go most places. The fast charger in Taupo made a HUGE difference to getting around in the eastern and central North Island.....and so on.

The 24kWh LEAF is More than enough if you have the chargers there to bridge the gaps.  with a charger every 60-80km (like between Taupo and Mangaweka) you find you either skip one or you stop and charge for 5-8 mins to get back to 80% and then carry. On my trip to Wellington last week, the stops become so short I barely have time to go to the loo....and just had a brief walk  to stretch. I actually like that. Itmakes the drive a lot easier physically and mentally.

It may well be in that in couple of years there will be enough chargers around you'll save your money and be happy with a car with a smaller battery for those occasional longer trips. I could see myself going that way. Depending on the finances. However....I do have a reservation for a Tesla Model 3 and I fully intend to make that an order when the time comes. The price will be equivalent to the Hyundai Ioniq or Renault Zoe in NZ today...and less than the current price of a BMW i3.
 





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  Reply # 1843499 10-Aug-2017 12:36
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Been looking at getting an electric car for the last few months. (Actually started by looking for a new set of batteries for my electric bicycle) and in that time I have seen the 30KW price drop by about $5K to about $25K 2016 with 13K still about $10K more than what I would have have a maximum budget for, less a trade in for a 1994 2L V6 cefiro. So possibly when Nissan release the new model in Sept the prices may even fall further so by early next year they may be in my price range. I work in a petrol station where we can park our cars outside the shop if we wish after 6PM so was thinking a great way to promote a new technology with some sign writting on car or window shades advertising cost per KM to operate so that could potentially have up to 20 hours a week advertising. Would also love to have a model 3 but that may not be until mid 2020's.


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1843695 10-Aug-2017 17:46
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Longer legs to bridge gaps in the charger network make the whole travelling thing easier.....and the 30kWh also gives you more room when the weather is bad, the hills are steep or the wind is high on head on.

 

 

I think this is the sort of thing where more is better.  We will get to the point (fairly soon) where there are easily enough chargers so you can easily get by with 24kWh.  But the higher capacity batteries will allow the driver to choose which places to stop at.  For a 4 hour journey you might pick one of the fast chargers along the way that is close to the 2hr mark and decide that will be where you stop for a lunch break.  Many people would be MUCH happier with making one stop on a 4 hour journey than making 3 stops.  With higher capacity you just wont bother stopping at EVERY fast charger along the way.

 

With the Tesla cars you could often make a decent journey without stopping and just charge overnight at your destination.  Over time battery capacity will increase and it will get to the point (on the dearer cars at least) where stops are needed by the human before the car needs them. 

 

I could see that once there are several choices of 40kWh cars that are reasonably priced, lots of drivers will find that quite reasonable.  You could do a 300km drive with one stop for a top up charge, stretch your legs and get something to eat, you could then carry on to your destination and still have a comfortable margin left on your battery power.  Over time there will be more capacity for the same size & weight and at a lessor price, it will become 60kWh on the cheapest entry level models and then 80kWh while costing less than a fossil fuel burner would have cost if you could still buy them.

 

Apparently Toyota will be making solid state batteries in 2022, it will be interesting to see the specs on these once they are available for car to use.


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  Reply # 1845314 11-Aug-2017 17:55
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I sorted out insurance for the car I'm picking up tomorrow.  It went well at the insurance company, I think I've convinced the insurance agent that his next car should be an EV.  I really should get a job selling these things.




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  Reply # 1845423 11-Aug-2017 22:13
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I sorted out insurance for the car I'm picking up tomorrow.  It went well at the insurance company, I think I've convinced the insurance agent that his next car should be an EV.  I really should get a job selling these things.

 

 

Great! Let us know how you get on. :-)  

I finally got my wife to drive an EV this evening. 

She kept saying....."This is soooo niiiiice....." 

Then she asked how we would charge two EVs. I said we'd get a Type 2 / 32amp / 7kw charger instead of the 16amp (3.3kw) blue commando we currently have (at the house in Auckland).  

I love questions like that. 





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  Reply # 1845449 11-Aug-2017 23:37
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....She kept saying....."This is soooo niiiiice....." Then she asked how we would charge two EVs. ....

 

 

reminds me old story about gentlemen who came to the store to buy a hook for fishing, ended up with fishing rod, launch, trailer for the boat and 4WD to drive all that stuff...

 

upgraded charger may be just a beginning...

 

when lady gets something - way too many things would need to fit that purchase ... be prepared to budget for new shoes (to match the color of new EV) , purse, and who knows what else :-)





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  Reply # 1845477 12-Aug-2017 08:54
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Linuxluver:

 

 

 

Great! Let us know how you get on. :-)  

I finally got my wife to drive an EV this evening. 

She kept saying....."This is soooo niiiiice....." 

Then she asked how we would charge two EVs. I said we'd get a Type 2 / 32amp / 7kw charger instead of the 16amp (3.3kw) blue commando we currently have (at the house in Auckland).  

I love questions like that. 

 

 

Funny how things work out

 

I went out to buy a car for my wife

 

I now drive a Leaf and my wife is still driving her old car...

 

(I suspect long term we may have two electric cars though..)

 

 


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  Reply # 1845611 12-Aug-2017 18:10
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Volunteers for making Video "How to dismantle Nissan Leaf Cluster" are no longer required, boys. Will edit and publish when I have time. It is so easy. Takes few minutes only.





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  Reply # 1845665 12-Aug-2017 21:12
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Volunteers for making Video "How to dismantle Nissan Leaf Cluster" are no longer required, boys. Will edit and publish when I have time. It is so easy. Takes few minutes only.

 

 

I've noticed GVI are offering this service and you book your car in at a specified time. The person / people doing it are also visiting other cities. I saw the other day they were trying to line up appointments in Wellington for owners of Japanese LEAFs to bring their cars along for this conversion. 





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  Reply # 1845684 12-Aug-2017 23:20
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Linuxluver:

 

... I've noticed GVI are offering this service and you book your car in at a specified time. The person / people doing it are also visiting other cities. I saw the other day they were trying to line up appointments in Wellington for owners of Japanese LEAFs to bring their cars along for this conversion. 

 

 

I know GVI - they are few minutes from me. The reason they are trying to group people is because they are doing it via contractor who does not live in Auckland. Met the guy last Friday @ GVI. They call him out when they have many cars in stock. Hence you have to book in advance and bring your car to them. I do not need to group and can do just one car. Monday to Sunday, almost at any time, and not only in Greenlane...

 

My mates have started looking into Jap AV unit (yet again), language & FM are secondary this time, focus is on solution for the lost SD. I will post when something positive will be confirmed.





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  Reply # 1845777 13-Aug-2017 12:01
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Just took some people for a drive after church today. Every single one was amazed at the power and the idea that it had no need for fuel or make any noise.

Several amazed adults and lots of teens and kids very enthusiastic about the possibility they Iggy have something like that in their future ☺️
Even more amazed that chargers could be free or that you can ‘fill’ your car at home overnight.

I think the local power line companies should get behind advertising electric cars on prime time TV. Surely they see the great opportunity this could be to their future business? That must be why they’re helping sponsor the free QC setups surely?

Imagine being a company with the potential to explode your business sales in a manner like EV’s will be bringing in the near future (!) could it be that perhaps they’d rather actually delay the uptake until they are ‘ready’??



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  Reply # 1845808 13-Aug-2017 14:02
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PhantomNVD: Just took some people for a drive after church today. Every single one was amazed at the power and the idea that it had no need for fuel or make any noise.

Several amazed adults and lots of teens and kids very enthusiastic about the possibility they Iggy have something like that in their future ☺️
Even more amazed that chargers could be free or that you can ‘fill’ your car at home overnight.


I'm told if you actually let people drive, they usually buy one within a month. :-) 

I'm too cautious for that in the city. I'm OK on a country road letting people drive. 

I think the local power line companies should get behind advertising electric cars on prime time TV. Surely they see the great opportunity this could be to their future business? That must be why they’re helping sponsor the free QC setups surely?

Imagine being a company with the potential to explode your business sales in a manner like EV’s will be bringing in the near future (!) could it be that perhaps they’d rather actually delay the uptake until they are ‘ready’??


There's an interesting thought. You could be onto something there. :-) 





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  Reply # 1845810 13-Aug-2017 14:12
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I've leant my leaf to two people from work when I've gone away on holiday a couple of times. Goth were converted to idea and are thinking of buying...

Then there Was The unfortunate speeding incident when someone said electric cars like leafs not have any power. Policeman was puzzled why the hot white hatch had 4 people in their 40's...



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  Reply # 1845851 13-Aug-2017 15:01
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afe66: Then there Was The unfortunate speeding incident when someone said electric cars like leafs not have any power. Policeman was puzzled why the hot white hatch had 4 people in their 40's...


I know! :-)  

Even worse in a Tesla.......you have to collect your eyeballs out of the luggage tray in the back window after a "test drive". 





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  Reply # 1845928 13-Aug-2017 17:33
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I know! :-)  

Even worse in a Tesla.......you have to collect your eyeballs out of the luggage tray in the back window after a "test drive". 

 

 

Driving the heavy and big Tesla Model X and having it accelerate like a sport car is pretty fun :D





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