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  Reply # 1840952 8-Aug-2017 10:14
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Linuxluver:

 

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I guess the good news is that in a few years you'll be able to get exactly what you want.  Then you'll be able to stop burning fossil fuels. 

I'm not being dick, I hope. I really do struggle to understand why people don't understand how serious the situation is already, with CO2 at levels not seen for 3 millions years, never mind several years from now....and our emissions are still rising. We're in a slow motion emergency that just isn't penetrating the public consciousness. 

Change happens slowly. In 50 years it will be a very different world...and we have *already* locked that in even if don't burn another litre of petrol or burn a chunk of coal or flume of gas anywhere on the planet from right this moment.  

 

Sorry to break it to you but NZ's largest greenhouse gas emitting sector between 1990 to 2015 is the agriculture sector. No amount of drastic, immediate move to EVs (nor do we have the infrastructure at the moment to allow this, in any event) is going to substantially solve our emission issues. And people need to stop behaving like NZ is the world - in countries where grid electricity does not come from renewable sources, pretending that EVs are always amazing and clean is the worst kind of greenwashing. It's easy for someone like me (in a high income, DINK situation) to swallow the much higher upfront costs -- but you're seriously going into the territory of being a bit haughty or worse by acting like everyone is placed to just suck up the higher upfront costs. In fact, I have read one article that questions whether a Nissan Leaf is cheaper than an equivalent Corolla on a whole-of-life basis. Now, it's a small sample size and all that but all I am saying is that people really need to be a bit more cautious before simply beating the drum of sanctimony before trying to sell the idea of everyone getting an EV now. Another article actually questions whether the energy-related and greenhouse gas emissions savings of EV are actually as great as typically assumed.

 

 

Yeah...its someone else's problem. You're not responsible for your own emissions. The other guy's failure - the grid, the farmer, the whatever.....to do enough gives you a free pass. Pass the buck. 

You know what? 

The planet doesn't care......but our kids sure will. 

 

 

I agree that we should all be responsible for our own emissions (greenhouse gas that is). Rather than have a long discussion on this forum about this important issue, I have set up a thread here to get people's views.


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  Reply # 1841484 8-Aug-2017 21:43
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Transport is 20% of NZ emission. Personally I feel that piloting new technology is an essential part of making a change. There are some other human environmental benefits associated like less vehicle noise and probably less brake dust.

We also introduce some unknowns like passenger electromagnetic radiation. Edit: googled up on that. Looks mostly dealt with. Eg; https://ec.europa.eu/programmes/horizon2020/en/news/clean-bill-health-electric-cars. Unless it's part of the united nations population control low sperm count conspiracy..

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1841783 9-Aug-2017 12:09
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New kit for gentle dismantle of the plastic (e.g. Audio, AV, Cluster, etc) had just arrived.

 

I searched and found absolutely NO videos on Youtube for dismantling Nissan Leaf Dash. Time to make one.

 

Whoever has Gen 1 /Gen 2 Leaf with Japanese Cluster in Auckland - how about - you dismantle it while I make the video for Youtube (Greenlane) and then we reflash your cluster into English? P.M. if you keen.





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  Reply # 1841785 9-Aug-2017 12:12
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RUKI:

 

New kit for gentle dismantle of the plastic (e.g. Audio, AV, Cluster, etc) had just arrived.

 

I searched and found absolutely NO videos on Youtube for dismantling Nissan Leaf Dash. Time to make one.

 

Whoever has Gen 1 /Gen 2 Leaf with Japanese Cluster in Auckland - how about - you dismantle it while I make the video for Youtube (Greenlane) and then we reflash your cluster into English? P.M. if you keen.

 



Put this on FB, too, Yuri, if you haven't already. :-) 





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  Reply # 1842977 9-Aug-2017 17:45
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 Looking at the rumoured details of the 2018 Leaf and I like almost everything apart from the likely price.  If I had been able to get a 2nd hand Leaf with 40kWh for under $30k then I would have made a real effort to increase my budget to step up to that car.  The more powerful motor and the 40kWh battery are very much features that provide important improvements, I wonder what a 2nd hand (maybe 2 year old) car in 5 years (i.e. a 2020 car in 2022) will cost?

 

I have been thinking about the logistics of driving my 24kWh Leaf and how that would compare to driving a 40kWh Leaf and I can see a very marked improvement.  To drive from home to some friends 135km away I would make a 10 minute stop halfway to fast charge and again on the return journey.  This would allow me to drive at normal speeds and very comfortably make the trip with no range anxiety at all.  With a 40kWh battery the same trip would be super easy with no stops for charging required.  With longer trips that I would now do with multiple stops - a 40kWh Leaf would be fine on just one stop for charging and lunch.  With the 41kWh Zoe and the 40kWh Leaf we may be seeing a trend developing - EVs coming with ~40kWh batteries when they once came with ~24kWh batteries.

 

I guess I'll just save money now and see how things develop.




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  Reply # 1843152 10-Aug-2017 07:18
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 Looking at the rumoured details of the 2018 Leaf and I like almost everything apart from the likely price.  If I had been able to get a 2nd hand Leaf with 40kWh for under $30k then I would have made a real effort to increase my budget to step up to that car.  The more powerful motor and the 40kWh battery are very much features that provide important improvements, I wonder what a 2nd hand (maybe 2 year old) car in 5 years (i.e. a 2020 car in 2022) will cost?

 

I have been thinking about the logistics of driving my 24kWh Leaf and how that would compare to driving a 40kWh Leaf and I can see a very marked improvement.  To drive from home to some friends 135km away I would make a 10 minute stop halfway to fast charge and again on the return journey.  This would allow me to drive at normal speeds and very comfortably make the trip with no range anxiety at all.  With a 40kWh battery the same trip would be super easy with no stops for charging required.  With longer trips that I would now do with multiple stops - a 40kWh Leaf would be fine on just one stop for charging and lunch.  With the 41kWh Zoe and the 40kWh Leaf we may be seeing a trend developing - EVs coming with ~40kWh batteries when they once came with ~24kWh batteries.

 

I guess I'll just save money now and see how things develop.

 

 

I can say even the 30kWh battery is a huge improvement over the 24kWh battery. I had a 24kWh battery (100% SoH, too) LEAF for 4 months before my 30kWh LEAF arrived from the UK. There weren't so many fast chargers around a year ago, so I was a bit more constrained about where I could go without having to stop for long 16amp / 3.3kw top-ups. That said, I was able to drive north to Kawakawa easily and south to Hamilton....and I made it to Tauranga on one occasion, from Hamilton, over the Kaimais. And back. But that was pretty much it. This was one of the reasons I upgraded to the 30kWh LEAF.....so bridge those gaps and / or just let me drive "like normal" across a wider area.

The 30kWh battery has meant I can drive from Taupo to Napier non-stop. Longer legs to bridge gaps in the charger network make the whole travelling thing easier.....and the 30kWh also gives you more room when the weather is bad, the hills are steep or the wind is high on head on. 

In the meantime, around the top of the North Island, many new fast chargers opened up and made it much easier to go most places. The fast charger in Taupo made a HUGE difference to getting around in the eastern and central North Island.....and so on.

The 24kWh LEAF is More than enough if you have the chargers there to bridge the gaps.  with a charger every 60-80km (like between Taupo and Mangaweka) you find you either skip one or you stop and charge for 5-8 mins to get back to 80% and then carry. On my trip to Wellington last week, the stops become so short I barely have time to go to the loo....and just had a brief walk  to stretch. I actually like that. Itmakes the drive a lot easier physically and mentally.

It may well be in that in couple of years there will be enough chargers around you'll save your money and be happy with a car with a smaller battery for those occasional longer trips. I could see myself going that way. Depending on the finances. However....I do have a reservation for a Tesla Model 3 and I fully intend to make that an order when the time comes. The price will be equivalent to the Hyundai Ioniq or Renault Zoe in NZ today...and less than the current price of a BMW i3.
 





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  Reply # 1843499 10-Aug-2017 12:36
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Been looking at getting an electric car for the last few months. (Actually started by looking for a new set of batteries for my electric bicycle) and in that time I have seen the 30KW price drop by about $5K to about $25K 2016 with 13K still about $10K more than what I would have have a maximum budget for, less a trade in for a 1994 2L V6 cefiro. So possibly when Nissan release the new model in Sept the prices may even fall further so by early next year they may be in my price range. I work in a petrol station where we can park our cars outside the shop if we wish after 6PM so was thinking a great way to promote a new technology with some sign writting on car or window shades advertising cost per KM to operate so that could potentially have up to 20 hours a week advertising. Would also love to have a model 3 but that may not be until mid 2020's.


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  Reply # 1843695 10-Aug-2017 17:46
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Linuxluver:

 

Longer legs to bridge gaps in the charger network make the whole travelling thing easier.....and the 30kWh also gives you more room when the weather is bad, the hills are steep or the wind is high on head on.

 

 

I think this is the sort of thing where more is better.  We will get to the point (fairly soon) where there are easily enough chargers so you can easily get by with 24kWh.  But the higher capacity batteries will allow the driver to choose which places to stop at.  For a 4 hour journey you might pick one of the fast chargers along the way that is close to the 2hr mark and decide that will be where you stop for a lunch break.  Many people would be MUCH happier with making one stop on a 4 hour journey than making 3 stops.  With higher capacity you just wont bother stopping at EVERY fast charger along the way.

 

With the Tesla cars you could often make a decent journey without stopping and just charge overnight at your destination.  Over time battery capacity will increase and it will get to the point (on the dearer cars at least) where stops are needed by the human before the car needs them. 

 

I could see that once there are several choices of 40kWh cars that are reasonably priced, lots of drivers will find that quite reasonable.  You could do a 300km drive with one stop for a top up charge, stretch your legs and get something to eat, you could then carry on to your destination and still have a comfortable margin left on your battery power.  Over time there will be more capacity for the same size & weight and at a lessor price, it will become 60kWh on the cheapest entry level models and then 80kWh while costing less than a fossil fuel burner would have cost if you could still buy them.

 

Apparently Toyota will be making solid state batteries in 2022, it will be interesting to see the specs on these once they are available for car to use.


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  Reply # 1845314 11-Aug-2017 17:55
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I sorted out insurance for the car I'm picking up tomorrow.  It went well at the insurance company, I think I've convinced the insurance agent that his next car should be an EV.  I really should get a job selling these things.




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  Reply # 1845423 11-Aug-2017 22:13
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MarkH67:

 

I sorted out insurance for the car I'm picking up tomorrow.  It went well at the insurance company, I think I've convinced the insurance agent that his next car should be an EV.  I really should get a job selling these things.

 

 

Great! Let us know how you get on. :-)  

I finally got my wife to drive an EV this evening. 

She kept saying....."This is soooo niiiiice....." 

Then she asked how we would charge two EVs. I said we'd get a Type 2 / 32amp / 7kw charger instead of the 16amp (3.3kw) blue commando we currently have (at the house in Auckland).  

I love questions like that. 





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  Reply # 1845449 11-Aug-2017 23:37
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Linuxluver:

 

....She kept saying....."This is soooo niiiiice....." Then she asked how we would charge two EVs. ....

 

 

reminds me old story about gentlemen who came to the store to buy a hook for fishing, ended up with fishing rod, launch, trailer for the boat and 4WD to drive all that stuff...

 

upgraded charger may be just a beginning...

 

when lady gets something - way too many things would need to fit that purchase ... be prepared to budget for new shoes (to match the color of new EV) , purse, and who knows what else :-)





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  Reply # 1845477 12-Aug-2017 08:54
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Linuxluver:

 

 

 

Great! Let us know how you get on. :-)  

I finally got my wife to drive an EV this evening. 

She kept saying....."This is soooo niiiiice....." 

Then she asked how we would charge two EVs. I said we'd get a Type 2 / 32amp / 7kw charger instead of the 16amp (3.3kw) blue commando we currently have (at the house in Auckland).  

I love questions like that. 

 

 

Funny how things work out

 

I went out to buy a car for my wife

 

I now drive a Leaf and my wife is still driving her old car...

 

(I suspect long term we may have two electric cars though..)

 

 


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  Reply # 1845611 12-Aug-2017 18:10
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Volunteers for making Video "How to dismantle Nissan Leaf Cluster" are no longer required, boys. Will edit and publish when I have time. It is so easy. Takes few minutes only.





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  Reply # 1845665 12-Aug-2017 21:12
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RUKI:

 

Volunteers for making Video "How to dismantle Nissan Leaf Cluster" are no longer required, boys. Will edit and publish when I have time. It is so easy. Takes few minutes only.

 

 

I've noticed GVI are offering this service and you book your car in at a specified time. The person / people doing it are also visiting other cities. I saw the other day they were trying to line up appointments in Wellington for owners of Japanese LEAFs to bring their cars along for this conversion. 





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  Reply # 1845684 12-Aug-2017 23:20
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Linuxluver:

 

... I've noticed GVI are offering this service and you book your car in at a specified time. The person / people doing it are also visiting other cities. I saw the other day they were trying to line up appointments in Wellington for owners of Japanese LEAFs to bring their cars along for this conversion. 

 

 

I know GVI - they are few minutes from me. The reason they are trying to group people is because they are doing it via contractor who does not live in Auckland. Met the guy last Friday @ GVI. They call him out when they have many cars in stock. Hence you have to book in advance and bring your car to them. I do not need to group and can do just one car. Monday to Sunday, almost at any time, and not only in Greenlane...

 

My mates have started looking into Jap AV unit (yet again), language & FM are secondary this time, focus is on solution for the lost SD. I will post when something positive will be confirmed.





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